MWAI Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 I once watched an interview with Bill Parcells, who is a HOF coach. We all know his record and watched him turn around pitiful franchises. He knows what he is talking about. He once said "if you ever see me call a pitch out in the endzone, you'll know it's time for me to get treatment". (or something to that affect) Do you think Kyle now understands why you don't call pitchouts in the endzone and did he learn that from Monday or do you think that the "stubborn gene" runs throughout the Shanahan family and we will see even more pitch outs when we get down inside the 5 yard line. I couldn't believe he actually called a pitchout in the endzone. Was anybody else shocked? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inevitable Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 Lock / NNT this troll please <3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Gadsden Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 Lock / NNT this troll please <3 I don't see it as trolling. It's a fair point. Tim and Pat were talking about the exact same thing the other day...that even high school coaches know not to call pitches in the end zone. It's a fair subject to bring up. Now, pushing Parcells around here on the other hand, that's going to get you flamed bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter_R Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 I bang my head against a wall every time a pitch is called. I swear that play loses yards 95% of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinfan2k Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 Having over 20+ years of experience as a playcaller in Madden, the pitch is often one of the worst runs to call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWAI Posted September 13, 2013 Author Share Posted September 13, 2013 Lock / NNT this troll please <3 Kyle...what are you doing up this time of night. Study that playbook or watch some film and get out of here. Having over 20+ years of experience as a playcaller in Madden, the pitch is often one of the worst runs to call. I like the pitch. So does Parcells. So do a lot of coaches. Just Not In The Endzone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momma There Goes That Man Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 It's risk vs reward. If Morris catches it and takes it 50 yards nobody cares and people praise the gambler Kyle Shanahan for going against the grain. Players have to execute at the end of the day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddub52 Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 I still dont know why Thompson was bringing the ball out from inside the 10 on pretty much every punt. Had he let the ball go we could have possibly had a touchback and avoided the situation entirely. That being said, still a bad play call. Especially with RG3 and Morris having had little time to get into sync. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emor09 Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 If Morris catches the pitch no one notices a thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufus T Firefly Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 I learns a lot from his learnment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanahan's Tan Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 Is the thread about the one play call or about Kyle as a whole? But I digress, it was one play call. Parcells was not perfect. The team as a whole was terrible from coaching to playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipwhich Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 I lernt that rusty players be rusted when they aint aloud to play in preseason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93 Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 I mean two NFL'ers should be able to complete a toss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlvinWaltonIsMyBoy Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 As a RB, I liked the pitch because I got the ball quicker. As a run defender, I liked the pitch because I could identify the play quicker. The advantage in the NFL is anyone's guess. However, in the endzone it's probably not a sound play call. So, in short the call sucked. But it didn't suck nearly as bad as your threads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWAI Posted September 13, 2013 Author Share Posted September 13, 2013 If Morris catches the pitch no one notices a thing. and if Congress and the President don't spend 17 trillion dollars that we don't have...then this country isn't 17 trillion dollars in debt. Ya see..the real issue here is If you don't do stupid things or things that have a high probability of failure....then you don't end up second guessing yourself and wondering why you have failed. A failed pitch at the 20 yard line lets you play the next down. A failed pitch in the end zone and its 2 points. How difficult to understand is that point? Well...apparently a HOF coach has lived by it and a bunch of fans and Kyle seem to be ignoring it. There are risk takers like Kyle for sure...but sometimes they take unnecessary risks and then it's just plain foolishness. In my opinion, THIS was clearly an instance of foolishness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipwhich Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 a bunch of fans and Kyle seem to be ignoring it. Who is ignoring it? If you are going to troll, at least be a good troll. Nobody ignored it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 Kyle is known for one or two boneheaded play calls per game. This one just happened to really bite us in the butt, but if the toss works and Morris rips a nice run, we're all praising Kyle for being innovative and a risk taker backed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSO Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 Kyle has always been super aggressive when we're backed up, calling very high risk plays (play action passes, deep intermediate routes, etc...) instead of the standard run up the middle so many other coaches do out of fear. What usually happens is we own the defense. I like it, and hope he doesn't change that mentality because of a failure of two NFL players to frigging execute a pitch in the backfield. Seriously, if you're worried about your guys getting that done you shouldn't be coaching at all, let alone calling plays. And, you know what? I hope if/when we're backed up again he calls a pitch again, just so he lets any defense know that it could come, we will attack the edge and we're not scared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejay183 Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 Kyle has always been super aggressive when we're backed up, calling very high risk plays (play action passes, deep intermediate routes, etc...) instead of the standard run up the middle so many other coaches do out of fear. What usually happens is we own the defense. I like it, and hope he doesn't change that mentality because of a failure of two NFL players to frigging execute a pitch in the backfield. Seriously, if you're worried about your guys getting that done you shouldn't be coaching at all, let alone calling plays. And, you know what? I hope if/when we're backed up again he calls a pitch again, just so he lets any defense know that it could come, we will attack the edge and we're not scared. Thats true. Even when Grossman was the QB, Kyle would rarely run the ball and would call a PA pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy Smith Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 It was a dumb call in hindsight, but Kyle is a young gunslinger. More often than not, his instincts are right on the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 and ... Ya see..the real issue here is If you don't do stupid things or things that have a high probability of failure.... Everyone keeps saying this... that running a pitch play is a really stupid idea in the endzone and so I'll concede that, but the thing that has been playing in my mind is when or where is it a good idea to run a play that has a high liklihood of failure or creating a turnover. I'd think nowhere and since pitches are run in almost every NFL and college game several times and they are a staple that has been run and drilled into players since they were in Pop Warner, I have to imagine that the play is not considered as high risk as many are saying. There certainly is an additional risk anytime the ball is in the air and I've always been of the mind that going wide in goal line or short yardage situations are asking for trouble (Kyle loves to go wide on 3rd and one or goal line and it drives me crazy) Shortest distance, Kyle! Shortest Distance! Powerful back can equal Straight line! Still, if the toss was such a high risk play it wouldn't be worth playing anywhere on the field because no turnover anywhere is a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbs Hog Heaven Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 Ridiculous call, regardless of the piss poor execution from the QB.You don't take boneheaded risks in your own EZ. And the rest of the game left a lot to be desired too from the OC, But meh, it's past. He'll of taken from his mistakes and (hopefully) we won't see such silliness again. On to Green Bay. Hail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewCliche21 Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 and if Congress and the President don't spend 17 trillion dollars that we don't have...then this country isn't 17 trillion dollars in debt. Ya see..the real issue here is If you don't do stupid things or things that have a high probability of failure....then you don't end up second guessing yourself and wondering why you have failed. A failed pitch at the 20 yard line lets you play the next down. A failed pitch in the end zone and its 2 points. How difficult to understand is that point? Well...apparently a HOF coach has lived by it and a bunch of fans and Kyle seem to be ignoring it. There are risk takers like Kyle for sure...but sometimes they take unnecessary risks and then it's just plain foolishness. In my opinion, THIS was clearly an instance of foolishness. Dude, what is your issue? Is there anything that you like about this team? 1) No politics in here. 2) Parcells is not the god of football. 3) Joe Gibbs, HOF coach, would never tell you to call a flea flicker. It gets your quarterback's leg broken. 4) I can't wait to see your next thread in this series: "Is Kyle Shanahan Ignoring That I Was Learned That Incomplete Passes Are The Bad?" Everything that you post is negative, and this thread is ridiculous. ES really needs an admissions officer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrelgreenie Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 The pitch was a questionable play call considering the field position. But, the pitch in and of itself is a stable of our offense and of Mike Shanahan Denver WCO. The pitch was one of Terrell Davis best plays and its one of Morris/Helu's best plays. BUT IF we're really gonna talk about lesson learned from this game: The Packers, like the Eagles, are gonna play stout against the read-option and the run. This will leave their corners playing alot of man-to-man but there will also be pressure because our OL isn't that stout. Kyle is gonna need an answer to attack the over playing of the read option early. I'm hoping for max-protect hard play-action from a read-option look. If they choose to stick with the run in the face of 8 (or more) box the run game will need more variety: change up the running game with midline or inside read and/or with some pull/traps and get Helu more then 1 carry Fred Davis needs more targets. Mix in more undercenter traditional Denver/Houston offense bootleg action Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audible_Red40 Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 Parcells also said they installed "Jap plays, no disrespect".......Maybe that was a "jap play"? He also said "you are what your record says you are"....I guess we're losers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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