Sticksboi05 Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 New boss, same idiocy. I had hope. We all had hope. It was unfounded. Nothing will change until Leonsis is gone and that won't be anytime soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC9 Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 I would like to see the details of the contract. I don't know if there is an out after two years or what. Plus, we can buy him out after a year or two if he sucks. So I am more optimistic this morning. Trotz works wonders with defenders. Suter looked just okay when he left Nashville and went to Minny... so we will see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 According to GMBM, Brooks Orpik was the number one target from the get go and it seems they didn't really consider much else. “The total dollars were centered around Brooks,” MacLellan said. “We needed to get him in first because we thought that was our greatest need. We tried to get him to stay as low as possible. We struggled with that fifth year for a while, then we just felt we had to go there because it was getting so competitive on him.” More at link. Oh, GMDA (dumb ***) laid at least the Niskenan contract right on the new assistant coach in the event it goes bad. Sleeping on it did nothing to change my mind about the idiocy of these contracts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonArtest15 Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Money aside, does anyone feel better knowing that our longest running weakness (defense) is now, at least on paper, MUCH better? You can't do anything about Orpik's contract in the long term, short term, his presence (as well as Niskanen's) will make this team stronger on the backend. I don't like the money, but I have no issue with the players brought in...for now. Just have to hope that these gambles pay off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sticksboi05 Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 No I don't feel good because we still have holes around the rest of the roster. A glaring one is 2C. There's no way we can keep Green with these deals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonArtest15 Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 No I don't feel good because we still have holes around the rest of the roster. A glaring one is 2C. There's no way we can keep Green with these deals. Just hope we can flip green for a 2C. If any of these 3 are traded (or bought out), i'd be happy...Brouwer, Green, Laich. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popeman38 Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 I slept on it, and I am barely OK with it. Orpik will provide a good anchor to Green (assuming h'es here) or Carlson. I think Niksanen and Orlov will be a very good pairing. That leaves Alzner opposite Green or Carlson. As far as 2C goes, maybe we finally see MoJo live up to his potential and play behind Nick. Kuznetsov has the playmaking ability to play center, but not sure he is there defensively yet. Laic cannot be our 2C. No way, no how. If he is healthy, and that is a huge if, he needs to be playing opposite Ovie. 21-19-8 92-90-20 25-16-42 46-83-43 27-74 44-52 81-2 70 That lineup, with Trotz' commitment to playing "the right way" should be up there competing for the division. I don't think the emphasis of D and tender in Trotz' system can be overstated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sticksboi05 Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Johansson is a garbage player. He's a smooth skater, that's about it. Horrible finishing touch and poor vision. As a 2C, he's a massive liability. Neither he or Laich can be a 2C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulane Skins Fan Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Johansson is a garbage player. He's a smooth skater, that's about it. Horrible finishing touch and poor vision. As a 2C, he's a massive liability. Neither he or Laich can be a 2C. Ouch. You forgot to call him ugly too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Thats a lot of $ spent on two decent but not great players. I guess the FO still thinks this team is capable of winning now and wants veterans in the back end to try to win a Cup while Ovie is still in his prime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichmondRedskin88 Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Thats a lot of $ spent on two decent but not great players. I guess the FO still thinks this team is capable of winning now and wants veterans in the back end to try to win a Cup while Ovie is still in his prime. If they want to win we need to be getting rid of green, brouwer, or laich in a good trade then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capcrunch98 Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Thats a lot of $ spent on two decent but not great players. I guess the FO still thinks this team is capable of winning now and wants veterans in the back end to try to win a Cup while Ovie is still in his prime. I don't like the signings, but I'm happy management is actually trying to do something before this team's window completely closes. And the only alternative to overpaying for a good free agent d-man is to trade a bunch of prospects and picks for a good d-man locked into a manageable contract, because nobody is going to give us one for Laich and Brouwer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popeman38 Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 In the bad news department: Stephen Whyno @SWhyno 4m #Caps say Tom Wilson suffered an ankle injury during a fall in Ontario, the extent of which is unknown. He's in Toronto being evaluated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HBnotBlades Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 One positive thing about the Orpik deal is that we won't see any recapture penalties if he retires. If he plays two seasons, slows down considerably, and calls it quits, the Caps will be free from the contract. Although it may be unlikely that he just walks away from the final $15.5M dollars. MacLellan singled out conditioning and off-ice work ethic during the his initial press conference. Orpik has been well known as a guy who works EXCEPTIONALLY hard off the ice, and is a vocal leader. I think it's pretty clear that the though Orpik was a player capable of spearheading a culture change in the organization, particularly amount the blueliners. That said, Orpik's contract is stupid expensive. Ehrhoff, Stralman, Fayne, and Gilbert are all younger, with few injuries, better recent stats (advanced and otherwise), and projected to be better for longer. Each one of those guys signed for less money and term than Orpik. Orpik's contract would make him the highest paid defender on 16 teams and he's certainly not a #1D at this point in his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93 Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Grabo to the mother****ing Islanders for 4 years 20 million....LOLLL LAICH AT 2C! YES YES YES Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC9 Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 I knew my stomach was hurting for some reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 damn want grabo back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC9 Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 That said, Orpik's contract is stupid expensive. Ehrhoff, Stralman, Fayne, and Gilbert are all younger, with few injuries, better recent stats (advanced and otherwise), and projected to be better for longer. Each one of those guys signed for less money and term than Orpik. Orpik's contract would make him the highest paid defender on 16 teams and he's certainly not a #1D at this point in his career. I get the rub they were a packaged deal or we got neither. That's why I want to see the contract for Orpik. Surely we can't be that stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93 Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Erhoff sucks Stralman and Fayne would have been perfect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC9 Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 21-19-8 92-90-20 25-16-42 46-83-43 27-74 44-52 81-2 70 I'm calling it now... Stanislav Galiev makes the rooster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted July 2, 2014 Author Share Posted July 2, 2014 Grabo to the mother****ing Islanders for 4 years 20 million....LOLLL LAICH AT 2C! YES YES YES Well, they overpaid as well. Seems to me it was an either or situation between defense and center. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichmondRedskin88 Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 I get the rub they were a packaged deal or we got neither. That's why I want to see the contract for Orpik. Surely we can't be that stupid. You must be new here. Hi I'm Richmond Redskin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 Grabovski is a huge loss for the Caps. There simply isn't a replacement and if anything happens to Backstrom during the season, this team will really struggle to score. The Caps second line was non-existent when Grabs was hurt. I would much rather have Grabs at 4 years $20 million than Orpik at 5 years $27.5 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC9 Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 You must be new here. Hi I'm Richmond Redskin. This is clearly a different kind of move. We've made bad trades and bad signings, but we haven't pulled an outright Vinny in over a decade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 This is clearly a different kind of move. We've made bad trades and bad signings, but we haven't pulled an outright Vinny in over a decade. It really is a stupidifying strategy. They locked in on an older defenseman who is trending down and paid him like he will be in the top pairing for more than a year. Do the Caps have any center prospects? They are paying the price for former GMGM trading all the center prospects the last three years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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