Simple 'yes' Or 'no' Answer ..... Are You Confident With Cousins Leading This Team If He Ends Up Starting The Season?

[jdhawk4skins]

Okay. Let's not start running away with ourselves here. 

 

Elway was the number 1 pick in the draft and an exceptional all round athlete who could easily of gone pro in baseball. Cousins was far from that. Lets not go heaping undue expectation by looking at a bona fide HoF legend. And I'd take issue that he's better than 10 throwing on the run. A look back at a few Baylor games will dispel that theory. 

 

Hail. 

There is no undue expectation, you just didn't understand my point which is that while Cousins may not play under the same system as RG3 (i.e. few if any zone read options); he can perform well in a system where one of the greatest QBs excelled in. This has nothing to do with a comparison of Cousins to Elway. See my last statement about asking why Cousins can't be a quality QB or better. There was never a statement in there that indicates Cousins could be as good as Elway or even a great QB. Baylor is history and the comparison of Cousins throwing more accurately than RG3 on the run was made by John Keim and it was based on NFL practices not college defenses. Please don't try claiming you proved anything just because you saw RG3 throw at Baylor in a few games. That proves nothing. Also, I'm all on board with RG3 as our franchise QB so don't try to make this look like I'm indicating anything other than I feel that Cousins is a quality QB that can win us some games if RG3 is out.

[skinnyles]

No....he is good but he is not the future of NFL football.  In a year or two, drop back will slowly become obsolete.  RG3 is setting  the new standard and "his skill set" will become the prized talent.

[jdhawk4skins]

See that's what I'm trying so hard to understand from many. 

 

This assertion that he's already a starting caliber NFL QB from SUCH a small sample size. And an indifferent one at that. 

 

Liking potential is one thing. But talking in those absolute, assured terms for a third rounder so inexperienced at this level .....  Just another example IMHO of the over hyping of Redskin players we specialise in on here. 

 

Hail. 

The Browns team had the 8th ranked pass defense in the NFL. Cousins did a nice job and was very effective throwing against a very good group of DBs. Also as a rookie QB coming in to replace RG3 with the playoffs on the line against a very good Ravens Defense (i.e. eventual SB Champions), it was nothing short of spectacular what he was able to do. He kept our playoff hopes alive.  I'm not sure who stated Cousins is already a starting caliber QB but Cousins has done little to indicate he is not capable of winning games for us. Does this assure us that Cousins will lead us to wins this season if he starts? No! However, there is no reason not to have some confidence that he can with the small but successful track record he does have in the NFL. 

[TD_washingtonredskins]

No....he is good but he is not the future of NFL football.  In a year or two, drop back will slowly become obsolete.  RG3 is setting  the new standard and "his skill set" will become the prized talent.

 

His has ALWAYS been the desired skill set. Teams have wanted great QBs who can also kill you with their legs. The problem is that at least 2/3 of the league will never be lucky enough have a player like that. It's not like there are constantly 32 available players who can throw the ball, lead a team, read a defense, and oh yeah, have Olympic speed.

 

So, the NFL will always have a lot of pocket passers...some of which will play well enough to win championships.

[thebluefood]

No....he is good but he is not the future of NFL football.  In a year or two, drop back will slowly become obsolete.  RG3 is setting  the new standard and "his skill set" will become the prized talent.

Maybe for the future, but do you feel confident in him starting *this year*? 

 

Cousins can manage a game and has Alfred Morris there to support him on running downs. I think we'll be fine if he's behind center for the Eagles game. 

[jdhawk4skins]

It appears Jon Gruden also envisions Cousins as someone who could lead a team into a season. Some here stating Cousins hasn't done enough to warrant him as a starting QB may want to debate what Gruden has to say...

 

"Jon Gruden analyzes quarterbacks in his “camp” on ESPN. One quarterback in particular that Gruden likes is Washington Redskins back up Kirk Cousins.“If I were a coach, I’d offer a first-round pick to the Redskins to get Kirk Cousins on my team,” Gruden said on ESPN.

The Redskins might not even take a single first round pick for Cousins however. Their quarterback Robert Griffin III takes a lot of punishment when he runs the ball and is still recovering from a knee injury. There isn’t any guarantee that RG3 will be ready for the teams opener and having Cousins around as an insurance policy seems to be a priority.

The Redskins do have Rex Grossman, who led the Chicago Bears to a Super Bowl appearance, on their roster.

Last season Cousins appeared in 3 games and started one. He completed 33 out of 48 passes for 466 yards and 4 touchdowns but did  throw 3 interceptions. That does give him a career 101.6 passer rating.

In his only preseason game so far this season he completed 6 of 7 passes for 52 yards and a touchdown."

 

 

http://fansided.com/2013/08/19/jon-gruden-would-trade-a-first-round-pick-for-kirk-cousins/

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

There is no undue expectation, you just didn't understand my point which is that while Cousins may not play under the same system as RG3 (i.e. few if any zone read options); he can perform well in a system where one of the greatest QBs excelled in. This has nothing to do with a comparison of Cousins to Elway. See my last statement about asking why Cousins can't be a quality QB or better. There was never a statement in there that indicates Cousins could be as good as Elway or even a great QB. Baylor is history and the comparison of Cousins throwing more accurately than RG3 on the run was made by John Keim and it was based on NFL practices not college defenses. Please don't try claiming you proved anything just because you saw RG3 throw at Baylor in a few games. That proves nothing. Also, I'm all on board with RG3 as our franchise QB so don't try to make this look like I'm indicating anything other than I feel that Cousins is a quality QB that can win us some games if RG3 is out.

 

 

Want to calm down there man?

 

First off, your last sentence in the post I responded to can easily be read first hand as you posing the question of Kurt having the potential to be as good or not better than Elway in the Shanahan system. Simple mistake with the wording. Thank you for the clarification that it was just the system you were referring to.

 

Secondly, nobody was trying to offer anything anything on anything as some type of 'proof' anymore than you yourself. I merely said that a simple look back at his time in college  shows 10's ability to accurately pass on the run. As he showed last year in the pros. This isn't some point scoring 'I'm right, your wrong' pissing contest. You think Kurt's more advanced in that regard than Robert? Fine. Your entitled to that opinion. I think the opposite and we'll have to agree to disagree. 

 

And lastly I wasn't trying to make you look like saying anything other than what you said. I apologise for misreading you on the (non) Elway comparison. That's the thing with an ambiguous message board. Things can get misread VERY easily. 

 

You may want to take that into consideration going forward before you go on the defensive and think folk are against you. 

 

Again, thank you for the Elway clarification. Sorry for the misunderstanding there.

 

As for Gruden being prepared to offer a first rounder right here, right now for Kurt ..... yeah, that probably goes a ways to explaining why your sat in the booth and not on the sideline still Chucky.

 

Hail. 

[LittleTinyUnbornBaby]

Yes, Cousins would do fine... would we win as many games.... maybe 1 or 2 less just because of the lack of a running threat from a QB, I'm leaning more towards 1 less.

[MisterPinstripe]

Yes. He is no Robert, but I feel like he can run the offense well, and well enough against the competition the part of the season before the bye to be effective.

[NoCalMike]

It's hard to know for sure where exactly KC in his progression as a potential franchise QB.

 

KC has looked fine in a limited role, but at the same time he doesn't have an entire season under his belt the way RGIII does.  KC is not a proven starter in the NFL yet.

 

Lets be honest too, we really lucked out with how well RGIII was from the get-go. That isn't a normal thing, and to act like RGIII's mobility and threat as a runner had little to do with how successful his first season was then I think you are kidding yourself.  It's not that RGIII had to run a ton to be successful, but early on in the season RGIII's THREAT TO RUN went a long way in how defenses had to approach trying to defend him and the entire offense in 2012.  This bought RGIII time to improve as a passer on the fly and week to week.

 

If hypoethically speaking, KC has to start the first month of games, it isn't going to be the same situation as coming in as relief against Atlanta or Baltimore, and even from playing a single game in Cleveland.  A month's worth of games will have a much bigger impact on the season and our opponents will have a much better opportunity to game plan and try to attack KC's game.  KC is still in essence a rookie as well in the fact that he has started 1 regular season game.

 

Even if you think KC will eventually be a winning franchise QB, in order for that to happen he will likely have to go through the process of that kind of status from the get-go.  Because of RGIII's injury, Cousins has gotten a ton of snaps and looks with the 1st team, however what he hasn't had yet is 16 games (approx) of starting at QB during the regular season. THAT is what it takes for the next progression in your game to happen, and the fact is, if RGIII is healthy it likely isn't going to happen for him while he is a member of this team.

 

This doesn't mean he can't come in for a game here, a game there and be effective, but I caution those who think there won't be a dropoff if KC is needed to come in to play for the entire first month.

[Bacon]

Probably because of the reports that suggest Dr. Andrews has recommended that he not play until after the bye

Which was BS, as Andrews has already said that he won't make any recommendations until after the 4th preseason game.

[Jacoah]

On one hand, yes. On the other hand, no.

[kingdaddy]

Simply YES.

[jdhawk4skins]

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 He plays the more traditional WC offense that Shanahan ran in the past. John Elway was pretty darn successful in his career with that system so why can't Cousins be a quality QB or even better under the same?"

Want to calm down there man?

First off, your last sentence in the post I responded to can easily be read first hand as you posing the question of Kurt having the potential to be as good or not better than Elway in the Shanahan system. Simple mistake with the wording. Thank you for the clarification that it was just the system you were referring to.

 

I'm cool as an ice cube friend! It was like you stated about the system and not the players. The response was debating the others claim that Cousins can't buy time to throw the ball which IMO, his ability to roll out and throw counters that claim. My wording stated Cousins could be a quality QB or better under that system but not like Elway. I'd never put the words quality QB next to Elway who is a HOF QB so no offense the wording was not in error but I'll try to make it more clear next time.  

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

Not a problem. Easy for confusion to happen. Message board posts are ambiguous by nature when you can't see the face behind them, lol. As much my mistake as anything on that one. 

 

FWIW, in the past hour or so I've heard Schefter say his gut feeling is that RGIII will still start Week 1. Whilst Keim is not as confident as he was going into camp. 

 

Hail. 

[Dan T.]

Yes.

 

But I would like him to get out of the habit of covering both helmet earholes with his hands as he tries to block out noise so he can hear the next play coming in from the sidelines.  It gives him a vaguely panicked appearance and reminds me of McCauley Culkin in Home Alone.

 

[cphil006]

Yes, of course

[jdhawk4skins]

"...

 reports indicate he is ahead of RG3 with his ability to throw on the run accurately."

Secondly, nobody was trying to offer anything anything on anything as some type of 'proof' anymore than you yourself. I merely said that a simple look back at his time in college  shows 10's ability to accurately pass on the run. As he showed last year in the pros. This isn't some point scoring 'I'm right, your wrong' pissing contest. You think Kurt's more advanced in that regard than Robert? Fine. Your entitled to that opinion. I think the opposite and we'll have to agree to disagree. 

I think the misunderstanding comes down to again "a mistake in wording" or the content in which the wording was applied. I think it was that "you could dispel that theory" which normally means you can drive away that theory or debunk which typically is with verifiable evidence. Is that not right? 1) My statement was about reports stating that Cousins is ahead of RG3 in throwing accuracy on the run which is no theory anyway it was just an analysis. 2) It wasn't my analysis: It was from others who have the time to be on the field and watch these guys practice. You're right it was never about who is right or who is wrong. However, you seem to be again misstating me since nowhere did I state at any point that "I think" Cousins is ahead of RG3 on throwing on the run.

 

 And lastly I wasn't trying to make you look like saying anything other than what you said. I apologise for misreading you on the (non) Elway comparison. That's the thing with an ambiguous message board. Things can get misread VERY easily. 

 

You may want to take that into consideration going forward before you go on the defensive and think folk are against you. 

I think you are mistaking my directness as being defensive. Certainly when I think I'm being misquoted, I'll try to clarify but it wasn't intent on giving you the impression I was attacking you.

 

Overall, I think we actually do agree with some aspect about Cousins. I support your premise that Cousins hasn't done enough to prove he is a certified starting QB in this league yet. On the other hand, I do have confidence in him to lead the team if he were to start the season based on what we have seen of his performance in the NFL. He has not yet performed poorly in any area for me to suggest that he can't. My only concern I can come up with thus far is that he has thrown his share of INTs. That is something to watch out for with Kirk. Do I feel he can be a franchise QB at this point? I don't since I'd like to see his performance over a series of games where defenses have time to prepare for him.

 

Again I apologize if you felt like my response implied I was attacking you since that wasn't the intent.

[Pastor Troy]

Yes;

 

KC is a talented player. He reads defenses well, is super accurate, has a strong work ethic, drive and a solid foundation character wise. In the second year in the same offense I expect that he could lead the team to many wins.

 

RG3 knows this, which is why he is so desparate to keep KC off the field. If KC lights it up tonight, I predict RG3 will come out with some statement about playing in the next game, or some workout with pads on in order to turn the attention on him. It really is starting to get annoying, how RG3 can't stand someone else getting any attention at the QB position. He needs to mature between the ears.

 

This is probably the most stupid post on here 

[thebluefood]

Yes;

 

KC is a talented player. He reads defenses well, is super accurate, has a strong work ethic, drive and a solid foundation character wise. In the second year in the same offense I expect that he could lead the team to many wins.

See, you were doing great...

 

Then you say this.

 RG3 knows this, which is why he is so desparate to keep KC off the

field. If KC lights it up tonight, I predict RG3 will come out with some

statement about playing in the next game, or some workout with pads on

in order to turn the attention on him. It really is starting to get

annoying, how RG3 can't stand someone else getting any attention at the

QB position. He needs to mature between the ears.

[GoDeep81]

Yes

[BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93]

Needless to say, he had a very rough game even before the injury

[Warhead36]

He looked bad tonight, but it's not really fair to judge when you're going up against a D like the Steelers without a gameplan.

 

Then again Rexy with the same unit produced 10 points in no time.

[CNHOPPER]

No He got hurt running. He needs to learn to Slide. Its Shannys fault and should be fired for letting him run. O.o

[RiverboatGambler]

I said earlier that I trust him if the O-line can protect him. After seeing tonights game and our response to the vanilla pre-season Defense the steelers showed us... No I do not trust that he can stay alive behind that O line and I fear for Griff's safety and any other QB who has to stand behind that O-line in the pocket and make his reads.