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Simple 'yes' Or 'no' Answer ..... Are You Confident With Cousins Leading This Team If He Ends Up Starting The Season?

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DCsportsfan53

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I said yes, but this post certainly has merit. I just wonder how much further along is Kirk though, he has a full camp under his belt as a starter of sorts. He certainly has been getting good reports and it would be natural for him to feel more at ease in the offense. I still believe that he would be fine for the first four games getting the team to 3-1 or 2-2. The Skins have too many additional weapons now and the only failing would be improper game adjustments. You have Helu and Davis added to the mix, and that can help a QB big time. 

 

I think we're coming from the same place, putting a firm yes or no on it is difficult.  Do I think he could play well for a game or two?  Sure.  I get worried if we're talking about an extended time starting.  Yes the weapons are improved but as I said in my post, I saw flaws last year and that's all the evidence we have.  Also, I think people are underestimating how much help RG3 is in making that other talent effective.

 

In particular the thing that worries me is that, in preseason last year and particularly early in the Browns game, he showed a tendency not to ever step up in the pocket once he reaches his drop.  If anything, he faded back from there.  This sets up your OTs for failure and helps the defenses' outside rush.  We combated it in the Browns game with judicious use of the bootleg but remember a few things.  Without RG3, Morris was having a very slow start in that game and Cousins struggled mighilty in a stationary pocket.  The Browns, after the adjustment to using bootlegs later in the 1st quarter, kept selling out on the run and losing contain, time after time, for 3 quarters.  They never adjusted to the bootleg as even a possibility.  Not all teams will be that stupid.  I worry what will happen when teams get some tape and focus on outside blitzes and rushes that prevent the bootleg. 

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jdhawk4skins

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Yes!

In response to a few comments that Cousins doesn't extend plays like RG3 well not in the athletic sense he can't but he is excellent at rolling out and throwing on the run. Many reports indicate he is ahead of RG3 with his ability to throw on the run accurately. So he can extend plays quite well IMO. He plays the more traditional WC offense that Shanahan ran in the past. John Elway was pretty darn successful in his career with that system so why can't Cousins be a quality QB or even better under the same?


 

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Gibbs Hog Heaven

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Yes!

In response to a few comments that Cousins doesn't extend plays like RG3 well not in the athletic sense he can't but he is excellent at rolling out and throwing on the run. Many reports indicate he is ahead of RG3 with his ability to throw on the run accurately. So he can extend plays quite well IMO. He plays the more traditional WC offense that Shanahan ran in the past. John Elway was pretty darn successful in his career with that system so why can't Cousins be a quality QB or even better under the same?

 

 

Okay. Let's not start running away with ourselves here. 

 

Elway was the number 1 pick in the draft and an exceptional all round athlete who could easily of gone pro in baseball. Cousins was far from that. Lets not go heaping undue expectation by looking at a bona fide HoF legend. And I'd take issue that he's better than 10 throwing on the run. A look back at a few Baylor games will dispel that theory. 

 

Hail. 

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Gibbs Hog Heaven

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..... But I am NOT confident in KC yet. I haven't seen enough imo. 2 good plays against the Ravens and a bad Browns team. With so so play against the Ravens and Seahawks. 

 

See that's what I'm trying so hard to understand from many. 

 

This assertion that he's already a starting caliber NFL QB from SUCH a small sample size. And an indifferent one at that. 

 

Liking potential is one thing. But talking in those absolute, assured terms for a third rounder so inexperienced at this level .....  Just another example IMHO of the over hyping of Redskin players we specialise in on here. 

 

Hail. 

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Mocountyskins

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Could he be a gem? Yes he could be. But with all we have seen so far I can think of names like Kolb, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Matt Cassel etc etc etc. The sample size is way to small to say that he is currently a solid starter. Luckily we play 3 teams in the first 4 games that I think are terrible.

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Mr. Blitz

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Yes....

 

I trust Kirk to "manage" the game and give our playmakers the chance to make the plays.  Our D is good enough to get by 3 of these teams and could realistically go 3-1 going into the bye.  The main issue here is we want RGIII to be our franchise QB for many years to come!  That being said 4 games mean nothing vs. many years.  Be patient...  we have a bright future ...Finally!

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RiverboatGambler

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Since he will have to operate from the pocket most of the time with the occasional play action and rollout it all depends on the O-line. IF they can pass protect I trust him. If he has to run the option then no one is going to repect the QB keeper. He will get destroyed back there.

 

In short it all depends on the O-line's performance.

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nemocystem

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yes....if necessary for a small spell. 

 

i'd be ok if we had, or simply decided, to take it easy with RGIII through the bye week.  i feel like we'd be in a relatively similar position to win with our 2 games vs. the Raiders & Eggles with the tough ones being Detroit (pass-rush & ability to put up points/needing to keep up scoring pace) & Green Bay.  necessarily i believe KC could still keep us in those 2 latter games i mentioned, but i would feel more confident about them were RGIII in there.  in any case...those two games will ultimately be decided by how well our defense plays, so again...i don't think KC is a detriment to our chances per se.

 

i also believe with more game experience KC will get better.  he shows an ability to progress & seems fairly coachable.  there are some concerns if he were to be a long-term starter...& having him play a few games hopefully wouldn't expose too much of these attributes to scare off potential trade partners.  though, in the end, i feel that RGIII will make tough wins with KC a little less sketchy & deceptively easy wins become blowouts.......that's about the biggest difference.

 

my main concern with KC is really how well our O-line can block on standard passing plays, & how well we can run the ball without the threat of RGIII on the outside.

 

again...to your question specifially...KC should do just fine for the situations provided....if we lost RGIII for the year?  i would worry until i saw more.

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Larry

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But he might be Jake Plummer...

 

That's sorta my position.

Is KC somebody who half the NFL wants to ditch their existing starter for? I think we need more proof before making that pronouncement. (Not saying he's not. Just don;t think we should be handing out that award, yet.)

Might he be an average starter? Could be.

I observe that his success came when nobody had any film on him, for example.

OTOH, since then, in effect, he's been the starter, for the entire offseason. I certainly assume that he's improved.  (And it's certainly possible that the staff spent a lot of time, during the offseason, preparing the team to take the field with him.  I assume that we have an offense at least partially planned, to cater to his strengths. 

 

(That's one reason why I'm actually happy that we've been starting him, in the preseason.) 

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DCsportsfan53

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See that's what I'm trying so hard to understand from many. 

 

This assertion that he's already a starting caliber NFL QB from SUCH a small sample size. And an indifferent one at that. 

 

Liking potential is one thing. But talking in those absolute, assured terms for a third rounder so inexperienced at this level .....  Just another example IMHO of the over hyping of Redskin players we specialise in on here. 

 

Hail. 

 

It's called homerism, they see what they want to see.  He's showed promise and again, I always have been and still am behind the decision to draft him but I cringe at how far people take it.  He's far from proven that he can be a starting NFL QB, he simply hasn't played enough and has shown areas that are exploitable by defenses, imo. 

 

That or Redskins' fans are so used to such piss poor QB for so long that anything resembling competence creates dreams of Super Bowls and Canton speeches.  :P

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London Kev

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Yes.

 

I'm confident that he'll be ready to play. I'm also confident that there will be a gameplan in place that utilises his skillset and gives us the best chance of winning.

We probably won't score as many points or win as many games without RG3, and it sure won't be as much fun to watch, but if not Cousins, then who?

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TheGreek1973

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The answer is yes.  I would feel very comfortable with Kirk starting the first 4 games because I saw enough last year from him to know he is a gamer.  But most important look the first 4 teams he would be playing against.  Every single one of the has at best a questionable D and Kirk would have a huge ally on his side playing those Defenses.  Our run game.

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Jericho

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Depends what you mean my "confident".

 

Do I want Cousins as a 16 game starter? No.

 

Can I live with him on a temporary basis with the idea he's a back up and at least gives us a shot to win? Yes.

 

Of course no team wants their back-up in the game. But he's passable on a short term basis. However, I would not expect playoffs if Cousins has to start a decent number of games.

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beachboy757

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Depends what you mean my "confident".

 

Do I want Cousins as a 16 game starter? No.

 

Can I live with him on a temporary basis with the idea he's a back up and at least gives us a shot to win? Yes.

 

Of course no team wants their back-up in the game. But he's passable on a short term basis. However, I would not expect playoffs if Cousins has to start a decent number of games.

This is pretty much how I feel.  I feel confident in him starting a few games, but I don't want to see our backup QB starting games for a long period of time. 

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