DJD2 Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Talks have stalled. Looks like Rak is heading to market. Do anyone know what our offer to him was? Source? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MEANDWARF Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Tandlers. Haphazzard has is up right now. Looks like we're looking into a plan b. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbs Hog Heaven Posted February 28, 2014 Author Share Posted February 28, 2014 God forbid we do this, but March 3 is the last day for tagging right? Hail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horton_Predator48 Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Maybe the Skins are realizing they can't afford both Kerrigan and Orakpo in the future. The Skins have a lot of big contracts coming up in the next couple years. Rak is a good player but not worth breaking the bank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always A Commander Never A Captain Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 God forbid we do this, but March 3 is the last day for tagging right? Hail. Yep, at 4pm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJD2 Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 God forbid we do this, but March 3 is the last day for tagging right? Hail. Correct - 4pm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbs Hog Heaven Posted February 28, 2014 Author Share Posted February 28, 2014 Ta guys. Appreciated. Hail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Est.1974 Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Irrespective of our opinions, the tag number may well end up representing fair market value when compared with the first batch of FA deals that get announced. I think the $$$$ getting paid out to players is going to far exceed what many think. time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAILSKINSNYC Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Tag and trade Rak....I'm amazed at the supposed interest league wide.....do people watch film? maybe an AFC West team will sign him to play the Raiders twice....or maybe the Raiders sign him because they think he's great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RG3Hunna Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 I've been an Orakpo supporter but let him walk he's not worth it. We could let Orakpo walk and draft an OLB or let Rob take the role and use the money to improve other positions of need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markmills67 Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 I can't see us getting 2 1st round picks for Orakpo, but could we get a 1st and 3rd or even 2 2nds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsfan4life83 Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Why draft another outside linebacker to replace a probowler in Orakpo? Seriously this argument is asinine. In order to save 1-2 mil extra a year you are willing to let go a PROVEN probowler ONLY to make another hole that we would need to fill with a draft pick that is sorely needed to fill other areas or sign another FA that will be nowhere near him talent or production wise. Instead we need to re - sign Rak and shore up that position for another 4+ years minimum and focus on putting talent around him on that defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlvinWaltonIsMyBoy Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Well, I guess a lot of people here will get what they wanted. Hope it works out well for us. Now we need to draft/sign a lot of LBs. It'll be interesting to see what Gruden and Bruce have in mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Tag and trade Rak....I'm amazed at the supposed interest league wide.....do people watch film? I'd ask you the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elkabong82 Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 For 12-13 million a year which Rak reportedly wants, that is elite money at that position, which means you have a player that takes over games. I just don't see Orakpo as that kind of player. He does have good production but the defense's best production was 2nd half 2012 and that was without Orakpo. For elite money a player has to be top 5 at their position but he isn't top 5 IMO. If he's unwilling to work with the team and come down to 10 per then adios. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt.Chaos47 Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 Orakpo and Kerrigan rush the passer around 79% of passing downs compared to most 3-4 OLBs like Terrell Suggs who rushes the passer 91% of the time on passing downs. Judging a player isn't always simple a lot factors in. I think letting Rak walk would hurt this team at a time and position where we just can't take it. They should at very least franchise him for the 1 year to see if he can stay healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thekyle1591 Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 I'd ask you the same. Ha. I've never seen so many "fans" bash one of their best players. I just don't understand the hate. Anyone who watched all-22 for more than 5 minutes can see Rak is a top linebacker in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elkabong82 Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 Ha. I've never seen so many "fans" bash one of their best players. I just don't understand the hate. Anyone who watched all-22 for more than 5 minutes can see Rak is a top linebacker in the league. Clay Matthews, Demarcus Ware, Tamba Hali are the only 3 OLBs in a 3-4 that make 11+mil per year. Does Orakpo deserve to be paid top 3 at his position, at the age of 28? I don't think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thekyle1591 Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 Clay Matthews, Demarcus Ware, Tamba Hali are the only 3 OLBs in a 3-4 that make 11+mil per year. Does Orakpo deserve to be paid top 3 at his position, at the age of 28? I don't think so. I think considering Orakpo is a more complete player than any of those 3 and 28 is right in the prime of a players career, yes I do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIKKI8 Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 I can understand people points on both sides of the issue but I agree with the other posters who have said you have to at least franchise him this year and either trade him if you cannot get a long term deal done or just let him play this year for 11.5 million. I think it is crazy to just let him walk. Some people don't want to believe it for some reason but if he is able to test free agency he is gone and somebody will most likely make him the highest paid OLB in the NFL. That is what happens every year in free agency. There is a lot of money to be spent and he is a pro bowl player, pass rusher, no trouble off the field. Mike Wallace got a crazy deal from the Dolphins last year and Rak will get a crazy deal this year if the Redskins allow him to test the market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elkabong82 Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 I think considering Orakpo is a more complete player than any of those 3 and 28 is right in the prime of a players career, yes I do. Disagree, and right in the prime means hell be past soon. If you're seriously suggesting that 12 million a season when he's in his 30s is good and that he's a top 5 player at his position then I'm very glad you're not in the FO. I can understand people points on both sides of the issue but I agree with the other posters who have said you have to at least franchise him this year and either trade him if you cannot get a long term deal done or just let him play this year for 11.5 million. I think it is crazy to just let him walk. Some people don't want to believe it for some reason but if he is able to test free agency he is gone and somebody will most likely make him the highest paid OLB in the NFL. That is what happens every year in free agency. There is a lot of money to be spent and he is a pro bowl player, pass rusher, no trouble off the field. Mike Wallace got a crazy deal from the Dolphins last year and Rak will get a crazy deal this year if the Redskins allow him to test the market. Let someone else make him the top paid OLB then. Our defense has performed it's best, we've won the division, without him. 10 million a year is very reasonable, but obviously Rak isn't coming down from that 12-13 number and if that's the case then bye. I understand players wanting big money, but at same time you should be willing to come down a little bit for your home team so they can bring others in. He's not, he's just trying to get paid on that last big contract and I remember a time on ES when most were wary of those types of players since we'd failed with them so many times before. Is Orakpo worth 1/3 of our available cap space at 28 with an injury history? I don't think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC9 Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 God forbid we do this, but March 3 is the last day for tagging right? Hail. Might have to get with the boss man on that day to allow you a "final post/drop the mike and walk away" style closeout to this thread. I think he'd accomidate if you asked nicely I mean... maybe he would right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWFLSkins Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 Talks have stalled. Looks like Rak is heading to market. Do anyone know what our offer to him was? Inside un-named sources per JLC say it was Vet min. plus incentives. Throw in a toaster/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSO Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 I just don't want this to set a negative precedent for this franchise one way or another. I'm afraid that if we don't sign Orakpo, it'll be a sign that this FO doesn't recognize its own talent and isn't loyal to its players. Which makes it extremely difficult for coaches to motivate guys. I'm also afraid that if we do sign Orakpo, it'll be for too much and make other players get greedy come contract negotiating time. It's such a fine line. I'm hoping this FO walks it right. I certainly am tired of being on the wrong side the last couple decades. It's like, the guys we've kept and paid end up not producing according to their contracts and the guys we let walk end up leaving GAPING holes on our team for years on end while they go on to do well for other teams. It's getting very, very annoying, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cakmoney61 Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 He's not a game changer and he's 2 years from being 30. He's shown himself to be just another guy too many times. I would not sign him to a big-money, long-term contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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