Brian Orakpo: Current most over hyped Redskin? Or as good as advertised?

[Est.1974]

Orakpo plays for the Redskins right GHH, and not the Seahawks..??

I love this team, but God, set for success...you think Orakpo should stay for way less money because we are set for success.....

As I said, that ain't the real world.

I hope he stays for a fair price. If not, good luck to the guy if he gets a once in a lifetime deal. Fair play to him.

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

What happened to Lavar? He didn't play for as long as a 2nd overall pick should. A little before my time.

He called Coach Gibbs gutless and questioned his integrity. Aside from trashing the Redskins every opportunity he gets when it was down to him being a narcistical prick and doing what LaVar wanted, not his coaches, that ruined what should of been a HoF career given his God given natural talent.

That POS is dead to me.

Hail.

[Sacks 'n' Stuff]

What happened to Lavar? He didn't play for as long as a 2nd overall pick should. A little before my time.

Got injured (ankle?) after he went to the Giants. He was good for a few big hits and highlight plays a year but was largely out of position. Few others have done less with more.

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

We're not exactly the most stable or successful franchise either.

We're a darn site more stable and primed for future success than Oakland that's for sure.

Hail.

[Sacks 'n' Stuff]

We're a darn site more stable and primed for future success than Oakland that's for sure.

Hail.

What if he goes to one of the other 30 teams?

This isn't a shot at you but every time I see a comment like "at least we're not Oakland" all I can think is we were once the envy of the NFL and this is what we're reduced to? If this is what we're hanging our hats on, things really are that bad.

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

What if he goes to one of the other 30 teams?

This isn't a shot at you but every time I see a comment like "at least we're not Oakland" all I think is we were once the envy of the NFL and this is what we're reduced to?

Hey, for the majority of the last two decades and more we've been the equal of Oakland or any other bottom dwelling team you care to mention.

I just happen to believe we're on the verge the next few years of being one of the front runners with a dynamic, attack minded coach and that uber special talent at QB.

The Oakland thing has just developed the last few pages as a possible destination and resulting consequence of why you'd even consider going out West to that shambles.

Just chewing the message board fat.

Hail.

[Skinsfan4life83]

But 3.5 sacks he had in those divisional games is more than anyone not called Ryan Kerrigan had all season and is one less than rob Jackson had in his career year

And although everyone wants to discount it the hold he forced against Barron in the cowboys game was literally the winning play and he had been abusing Barron all day ... Just as important as kerrigans int against the giants in 2011 ... Just as important as Halls interception at the end of the half in that Dallas game

What I don't understand is how people are not even aknowledge he is a decent player ... I would hate to play for the Skins with our fan base

And as much as I hope Baker is the real deal it is a big contract to give to a guy with three starts in a 4 year career

Thank you. I'm glad someone on here has good sense. Seems like a lot of people won't even acknowledge that Orakpo is a very good player. Maybe not absolutely elite but damn good.

People want to compare him with all these other players but fail to realize Orakpo has been our ONLY source of pass rush in years. He's basically done it all by himself. Defensive line is average. Secondary is terrible. But he manages to produce even so.

If he does walk, Gods forbid, he will make us look stupid if he goes anywhere with a decent line in front if him. While he is making another probowl we will be struggling to replace his production. Probably wasting draft picks to do so.

It's sad how little fans think of our home grown guys. Especially when they complain about not developing our own talent all the time. We will regret it if he walks. Mark these words.

[bedlamVR]

DC9 it is not about 98 though he has been nothing but the consummate professional since he arrived the end of the day he is a player and players come and players go .

 

What is it about, is putting the best most competitive team on the field ... and right now 98 is DAMN good if you want to be prissy you can put not elite not this not that but he is the best we have and the best we could hope to get for this defense ...

 

...Hell I have advocated franchising him and developing someone like Jenkins it gives you time to build the team ... It is one thing to have to let players walk because you cannot afford to pay them, but we have the cap space ...it is one thing to let players walk because there is a legitimate worry about declining skills but Rak is 28 had one major injury and seems to be really hitting his prime ..

 

but this seems to be the FO is interested in balancing the books than fielding a competitive team and we have a bean counter in the FO which makes me very concerned for the future ...

 

We have the cap $$$$ the most sensible way to allocate resources is to your existing players ... the idea that you do not pay your own but bring in 3 outsiders inted is great on paper but you have to hit with every single one of them ...free agent bust not only here but all over the league the difference what we are doing to what a competent team does is we are proposing to let a known commodity at a key position, (hell you have even retained the defensive co-ordiatior and scheme and brought in other specialist coaches to maximize the effectiveness of the scheme at some point it must have crossed their minds they would need players in this scheme... ) go for possible - maybe - hopefully players you can work with ...

 

Deep pockets ... short arms

[Thekyle1591]

He called Coach Gibbs gutless and questioned his integrity. Aside from trashing the Redskins every opportunity he gets when it was down to him being a narcistical prick and doing what LaVar wanted, not his coaches, that ruined what should of been a HoF career given his God given natural talent.

That POS is dead to me.

Hail.

Doesn't he still do reporting and stuff now? You would think he wouldn't exactly be welcome after that.

We're a darn site more stable and primed for future success than Oakland that's for sure.

Hail.

God it must suck to be a Raiders fan. Just no talent on that roster at all save like 3 guys.

[bedlamVR]

Raiders or Redskins ... seems we are so overflowing with talent we dont bother making offers to our guys... but hey theres lots of other peoples scraps to get excited over right ?

[C.Felix]

I really like Rak as a player but I'm glad the FO is not looking at this short sighted. I would love to have him back at the right price but don't overpay. Why should Rak make Clay Matthews money when he doesn't effect the game like a Clay? Just to say we pay our own? No.

 

And I don't buy the you don't create another hole so pay him what he wants side either. That's backwards imo. We we're a 3-13 team I know there were a lot of variables to why but we're not in quick fix last chance for a SB mode. So if we lost Rak is it a setback at that position immediately? Of course but I'd rather take that setback now while the team's structure is still being built than 2 or so years down the line when we have money tied up all because we overpaid for the production we were receiving.

 

And let me reiterate I would love to have Rak back but only at the rate where it is in correlation to the production we received.

[redskindan07]

I'll wish him luck wherever he ends up 

[Taylor703]

This is probably the most disappointed I've been about a player not being re-signed, save for Ryan Clark. I think this is going to come back and bite us big time. Just my opinion though.

[MrJL]

 

 

but this seems to be the FO is interested in balancing the books than fielding a competitive team and we have a bean counter in the FO which makes me very concerned for the future ...

 

 

Deep pockets ... short arms

 

if we had have 20 spots we'll have to fill I'd say do whatever it takes, but we have a lot of needs.  One high quality player and two bad vs three decent makes a difference

This is probably the most disappointed I've been about a player not being re-signed, save for Ryan Clark. I think this is going to come back and bite us big time. Just my opinion though.

 

no one in our division can afford to sign him and Kerrigan can rush the passer more often

 

Rak is asking for unreasonable money and the team is in a no win situation here

[Sacks 'n' Stuff]

Sad fact #579,011,893,276

 

The Oakland Raiders have finished with a better record than us in 4 of the last 5 seasons.

[Momma There Goes That Man]

The only thing that's going to piss me off is if we let him walk and then go out and throw a ton of money at Decker, Byrd and Mack. Not rewarding your own, homegrown players just to run out and sign the shiny new toy is this teams M.O. Please can we reward our own for once, sheesh.

I agree to an extent but you only reward your own with appropriate value.

I would hope we wouldn't over spend on those names you listed either but if thy come in at fair prices, I'd much rather pay for elite Level performance that they provide rather than overpay Rak just because he is homegrown.

So I agree but there is a distinction there

[Jeffro]

I hope we don't sign him, he's had two season ending injures on the same muscle, I certainly wish him well I just don't think he's work Sugg's money.

[Momma There Goes That Man]

I really like Rak as a player but I'm glad the FO is not looking at this short sighted. I would love to have him back at the right price but don't overpay. Why should Rak make Clay Matthews money when he doesn't effect the game like a Clay? Just to say we pay our own? No.

And I don't buy the you don't create another hole so pay him what he wants side either. That's backwards imo. We we're a 3-13 team I know there were a lot of variables to why but we're not in quick fix last chance for a SB mode. So if we lost Rak is it a setback at that position immediately? Of course but I'd rather take that setback now while the team's structure is still being built than 2 or so years down the line when we have money tied up all because we overpaid for the production we were receiving.

And let me reiterate I would love to have Rak back but only at the rate where it is in correlation to the production we received.

I agree. Yeah it might make a hole or you might lose in the quality of OLB you have at Rak's spot but by not overpaying him you can further address other holes on the team.

You might come out ahead as better team in the end even if you now have a hole at his OLB spot but who cares at that point if the team is better with the other holes you plugged.

Maybe we don't have an immediate fill in or Jackson/Jenkins aren't enough to replace his production. Well maybe the other holes in the defense being filled with Rak's money makes more impact than keeping him and not addressing those holes.

We just have to see how it goes and who else we bring in but losing Rak isn't immediately taking 5 steps back like so many think if the net positive is greater after FA and the draft play out.

[Taylor703]

Jason La Canfora ‏@JasonLaCanfora[/size]  

 

 

It's not GM Bruce Allen's style to tie up that much cap space in 1 guy, when you could address 3 starters at $12M for 1 year. I don't see it

Sure you can get three starters, the quality of those starters though.....

if we had have 20 spots we'll have to fill I'd say do whatever it takes, but we have a lot of needs.  One high quality player and two bad vs three decent makes a difference

 

no one in our division can afford to sign him and Kerrigan can rush the passer more often

 

Rak is asking for unreasonable money and the team is in a no win situation here

Kerrigan is the epitome of average. Love the dude but he is.

[DC9]

What happened to Lavar? He didn't play for as long as a 2nd overall pick should. A little before my time.

 

There's a thread for that too.

 

Sorry little bro... we'll de-rail this whole thing.  Just search for the thread about his radio show.

[DC9]

DC9 it is not about 98 though he has been nothing but the consummate professional since he arrived the end of the day he is a player and players come and players go .

 

The premiss of my argument in this thread the last year plus has been -

 

1) Rob Jackson is a better overall LB --- still true

 

2) I predicted Orakpo would ask for elite money and we should turn him down if he does... because you can buy two or three quality starters for the money he will ask for.

 

That's what I said would happen and that's what's happening.  I have no ill will towards Orakpo... I've said that.  But some of you guys have gotten down right nasty and made up stat categories when ultimately it comes down to what you said above...

 

It's all about setting the Redskins up for success.  It's very rare that 3 players are not worth more than one.   

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

..... Kerrigan is the epitome of average. Love the dude but he is.

 

Well of course if you think Orakpo's elite why let those delusions stop there on Kerrigan .....

 

Hail. 

[Taylor703]

Well of course if you think Orakpo's elite why let those delusions stop there on Kerrigan .....

 

Hail.

When the hell did I say Orakpo is elite? I said he's very good and by far this teams best pass rusher. You can **** about the people who like Rak but your disdain for him is far more ridiculous.

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

When the hell did I say Orakpo is elite? I said he's very good and by far this teams best pass rusher. You can **** about the people who like Rak but your disdain for him is far more ridiculous.

You know what. It's the absolute OTT bunkum about how great a player Orakpo is and how vitally important he is to this team from many that's brought people who actually liked and appreciated all his efforts to the point that their almost glad if he goes. He's been held up to a completely different standard, even from some top members around here to the point that they've had the opposite effect on folk on what their trying to impress. The comparisons and manipulation of stats to that end have been beyond tiresome. He's a good player that on his day can be a very good one. But those days over the course of his career are few and far between to have him in the very good- elite bracket as many claim. (And my bad. I just presumed with your lambasting of the FO here that you had him in the same category. But I make no apologies for the delusional line if you're asserting Kerrigans 'the epitome of average' and Orakpo's 'very good.' ). It's become far less about the Redskins and far more about A N Posters favourite player.

My 'disdain' is not to the player at all but to a lot of posters in this thread who've taken personal swipes right through at anyone that didn't buy into the 'Orakpo is a great player' line.

Hail.

[Sacks 'n' Stuff]

Sure you can get three starters, the quality of those starters though.....

Kerrigan is the epitome of average. Love the dude but he is.

He was average or below this year but he was hurt. I think he's a pretty good football player when he's healthy.