Stadium-Armory Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 A picture of Ambassador Stevens' dead body being dragged through the streets is circulating the internet. I have a link to the picture on thegatewaypundit.com but can't verify authenticity. Its a closeup of his face, and his dead expression is painful to look at. I can't imagine what his family would think if they saw that picture. Its heartbreaking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 https://twitter.com/BreakingNews Tunisian police fire teargas and rubber bullets to disperse protest over film near US embassy - @Reuters12:59 PM https://twitter.com/mpoppel REU: Protesters at U.S. Embassy in Tunis burn U.S. flags, shout: "Obama, Obama, we are here for the triumph of Islam."1:04 PM I saw news about a disturbing protest in Moracco as well...chanting death to Obama. WTF? Idiots. ---------- Post added September-12th-2012 at 01:10 PM ---------- A picture of Ambassador Stevens' dead body being dragged through the streets is circulating the internet. I have a link to the picture on thegatewaypundit.com but can't verify authenticity. Its a closeup of his face, and his dead expression is painful to look at. I can't imagine what his family would think if they saw that picture. Its heartbreaking. I haven't seen the picture, but US officials close to the situation reportedly said those people were trying to get him to help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stadium-Armory Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 I haven't seen the picture, but US officials close to the situation reportedly said those people were trying to get him to help. Good point. I heard that too. "Being dragged through the streets" was probably a mis-characterization. Retracted! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins24 Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 First of all, the attack in Benghazi is looking more and more suspicious the more I hear about it.It seems to have been done by a terrorist group, mostly the same ****s who keep running around and destroying Sufi shrines. Pretty clear now this wasn't some random protest gone too far. I thought "protesters" running around with RPGs would have raised a flag this wasn't just some protest about some video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 Nuke them with pork grease covered bacon bombs. There's the comparison, you were looking for, Dictator. Not all thoughts should be posts. My posts are much more acceptable than some of my thoughts. Personally I don't mind posts like that in these threads. They are shortsighted and inflammatory, yes. That one was particularly idiotic. But as reactionary and unthinking as they may be, they do reflect the actual mindset of a large segment of society, especially in the angry aftermath of such an event. There are enough thinking people on this board to ignore or counter-argue such posts. I'll leave it at that, Jumbo, as my one timeout in the history of this board comes from questioning a former moderator's trigger-happy application of the rules. I don't envy the job, but by the same token, one of the strengths of this board is the wide spectrum of voices represented, and I hope we don't lose that over time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 I haven't seen the picture, but US officials close to the situation reportedly said those people were trying to get him to help. I've seen the pics. It does appear that one person from the crowd is attempting to move his body but all I have seen are still images, no video. The pic is not terribly graphic but the man is clearly dead. I've seen a dead body up close within seconds of their death and there's always this eeriness to it... as if there is still a flicker of life in their eyes. Very difficult to look at. Very sad and disarming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 Pretty clear now this wasn't some random protest gone too far. I thought "protesters" running around with RPGs would have raised a flag this wasn't just some protest about some video. That country is awash with all sorts of weaponry after the civil war, and the government in Tripoli does not yet have effective control over much of the country. Even so, I think you are right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GH4g1kkFlc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumbo Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 Personally I don't mind posts like that in these threads. They are shortsighted and inflammatory, yes. That one was particularly idiotic. But as reactionary and unthinking as they may be, they do reflect the actual mindset of a large segment of society, especially in the angry aftermath of such an event. There are enough thinking people on this board to ignore or counter-argue such posts. I'll leave it at that, Jumbo, as my one timeout in the history of this board comes from questioning a former moderator's trigger-happy application of the rules. I don't envy the job, but by the same token, one of the strengths of this board is the wide spectrum of voices represented, and I hope we don't lose that over time. As I stated, it wasn't an isolated incident, and there are particular elements of that post that are unacceptable in this forum (and it violated three different rules) no matter what you think about that or how many people you think have the same thoughts (another matter I covered in my earlier remark). As you suggest, we all know many people have all kinds of such thoughts at different times, but that doesn't mean posting all thoughts are ok in this forum. I obviously (by 8 years of posting content and 6 years plus of moderating) agree with you in placing a high value on a wide spectrum of views being a part of this place. But knowing such thinking is out there, and yet not seeing it here, hardly inhibits the diversity of views available in any meaningful manner. Nor do I see any evidence that moderation is a problem here when it comes to diversity of decent discussion. Our rules also contain a section that describes the kind of interaction we seek. "Wide spectrum" we have, and as I have often stated, I wish it were wider. But that will never be confused with "more hateful" or "more inciting" or "more stupid" by me. It's fine to have opinions on what the staff does around here, no matter how they're (the staff or the opinion) judged for "quality", and you know I consider you an ES pal. But this isn't the first time you've posted a "board management" opinion in topical threads instead of the feedback forum, which is a rule violation itself (#18). It doesn't count that what's prompted you was a post in this thread. Such comments belong in the other forum so please abide by that rule. Among other reasons, it's there to keep threads from going OT on such matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 https://twitter.com/Reuters Top U.S. military officer called Pastor Terry Jones, urged to withdraw support for film depicting prophet Mohammad -spokesman tells Reuters2:42 PM http://lynch.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/09/12/moments_of_truth_in_libya_and_egypt Moments of Truth in Libya and EgyptIt would be a tragic mistake to allow the images from Cairo and Benghazi to undermine American support for the changes in the Arab world. The protesters in Cairo and Benghazi are no more the true face of the Arab uprisings than al Qaeda was the face of Islam after 9/11. We should not allow the actions of a radical fringe to define our views of an entire group. The aspirations for democratic change of many millions of Arab citizens must not be delegitimated by the violent acts of a small group of radicals. But the response to the eruption by empowered publics, elected leaders and influential voices across political society -- including, especially, Islamists -- really does matter. Authoritarian regimes in the past frequently allowed, or even encouraged, such violent eruptions over these issues. Islamist movements in perennial opposition leaped at the chance to score political points while taking no responsibility for what followed. Today will be a pivotal moment in the urgent debates about how such movements will respond to political power and a stake in the political system. Libya's leaders thus far look to be passing that test. Egypt's do not. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/sep/12/chris-stevens-diplomat-profile?CMP=twt_gu Chris Stevens: career diplomat feted for his understanding and empathy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 As I stated, it wasn't an isolated incident, and there are particular elements of that post that are unacceptable in this forum (and it violated three different rules) no matter what you think about that or how many people you think have the same thoughts (another matter I covered in my earlier remark). [snip] It doesn't count that what's prompted you was a post in this thread. Such comments belong in the other forum so please abide by that rule. Among other reasons, it's there to keep threads from going OT on such matters. Fair enough, Jumbo. /derail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DjTj Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 Another one of the victims was an active player in the MMORPG EvE Online, and his online family is mourning him today: So: Vile Rat, Sean Smith, my friend for over six years, both in real life and in internet spaceships, was the “State Department Official” killed in Benghazi by a mob of religious lunatics, who had been incited to violence on this September 11th by a movie that was apparently made sometime in July. Obviously, given the combined attacks in Egypt and in Libya, this was a coordinated act designed for maximum media exposure; rile up a mob, point them at an embassy or consulate on 9/11 in particular, aim for the press. Many were injured in these pointless, reprehensible acts, and one of my closest friends was killed as a result.(12:54:09 PM) vile_rat: assuming we don't die tonight. We saw one of our 'police' that guard the compound taking pictures We knew that Vile Rat was in Benghazi; he told us. He commented on how they use guns to celebrate weddings and how there was a constant susurrus of weaponry in the background. He was in situ to provide IT services for the consulate, which meant he was on the net all the time, hanging out with us on Jabber as usual and talking about internet spaceship games. http://themittani.com/news/rip-vile-rat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/09/12/when_libya_loved_america#0 When Libya Loved AmericaPhotos of a time when Libya's rebels proudly waved the stars and stripes. https://twitter.com/ProducerMatthew Senator McCain: Yesterday's attack in Benghazi was the work of small extremists 3:08 PM Senator McCain: "They want to hijack the Arab Spring for their own insidious purposes." 3:10 PM Senator McCain: "We would be gravely mistaken to walk away from them (the Libyans) now." 3:10 PM McCain: "It will be a long time before we forget Chris Stevens...he will stand as a shining example of patriotism and love of country." 3:11 PM Pictures from Libya today: Tripoli Benghazi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 So... the ass-hat that made the video now has a mini-erection because of all the attention that is being showered on him, and the ass-hats that led (fromthe rear, i am certain) the assault on the compound alos have little stiffies because of the blow they have dealt the oppressors...the two clowns are carbon copies of each other. they are the exact same effin person, they just wrap their turbans differently. I am so tired of how quickly boogar eating morons are willing to line up their outrage on one side of the fence or the other (ie glaring OVER the fence at the other side, or shooting, or launching firebombs..whatever) . Hate the asshats that thrive on promoting this type of crap, pity the dumbass moronic zombie sheep that lap the divel up (well.. and heap scorn on THEM as well) but don't ever defend the turds on your side of the fence (zombie OR asshats) that perpetuate this crap. I can't agree with this. Someone making a ignorant video can not be compared to the people seeking to murder innocent people. There is a world of difference between those two actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
China Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 Nice of that guy to wish us to all profit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 There is a lot of anger in Libya and among ex-pat activists towards both the extremists in Libya and the interior ministry right now. Some even sound delighted with the idea of using drones to blow the extremists up. (something we aren't doing...at least not yet) https://twitter.com/ChangeInLibya Marines en route to secure US consulate in Benghazi as we speak. If only they were there to wipe out Ansar Al Sharia yesterday.9:42 AM Mustafa Abushagur @MustafaAG is Libya's new prime minister. Congratulations. 4:01 PM Dr @MustafaAG shouldn't wait till tomorrow to sack the complete cabinet. No old faces. Start working on police/army restructuring. No SSC. 4:16 PM Benghazi SSC head speaking to Aljazeera now. The moron can't even string a sentence together and looks like a tramp. Incompetent idiots. 4:18 PM [Ansar Al Sharia extremists] No match for drones which I hope will blow them to high hell soon. 4:26 PM https://twitter.com/umarnkhan The new interim PM Abushagur has a lot of work to do. I hope he starts by acting against AnsarElShariya and other extremist elements4:07 PM https://twitter.com/Saleh9416 @MustafaAG I hope your 1st decision as a PM is to sack the MoI & MoD 4:13 PM https://twitter.com/LyConstitution **** I condemn those attacks on the US Consulate in Benghazi. @MustafaAG Now UR the PM of Libya what RU prepared 2do2 arrest the terrorists?4:33 PM Now this is a nice gesture: https://twitter.com/ZahratTrablis Citizens of Benghazi collecting money to rebuild USEmbassy .. These are the people of Libya I know and love4:48 PM https://twitter.com/ChangeInLibya CITIZENS OF BENGHAZI, LIBYA donating money from their own pockets to rebuild US Embassy because Islam teaches us to PROTECT GUESTS.4:52 PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAVEONAWARPATH Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 http://www.buzzfeed.com/jtes/12-photos-of-benghazi-citizens-apologizing-to-amer 12 Photos Of Libyans Apologizing To Americans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prosperity Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 Cool pictures Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 Nice of that guy to wish us to all profit. Somebody will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2012/09/12/us-moving-navy-destroyers-off-coast-of-libya/ US moving Navy destroyers off coast of LibyaFrom Barbara Starr, CNN's Pentagon Correspondent Two US Navy warships are moving towards the coast of Libya, two US officials tell CNN. The destroyers are the USS Laboon and the USS McFaul. Both ships are equipped with tomahawk missiles that could be used if a strike was ordered. Tomahawks are satellite-guided cruise missiles that can be programmed to hit specific targets. "These ships will give the administration flexibility," a senior official said, if the administration orders action against targets in Libya. The USS Laboon was making a port call in Crete, a few hours from Libya, when it was ordered to reposition. The USS McFaul was outside the Strait of Gibraltar, a few days sail from Libya, and is headed to the Libyan coast. The US Navy typically keeps up to four Aegis-equipped missile warships ships in the eastern Mediterranean to aid in defending Israel and missile defense for southern Europe. The McFaul and Laboon were part of that deployment. http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/09/12/senior_officials_reveal_details_of_harrowing_battle_at_benghazi_consulate Senior officials reveal details of harrowing battle at Benghazi consulate http://af.reuters.com/article/libyaNews/idAFL5E8KCMYB20120912?pageNumber=1&virtualBrandChannel=0 Libya rescue squad ran into fierce, accurate ambushA squad of U.S. troops despatched by helicopter across the Libyan desert to rescue besieged diplomats from Benghazi on Wednesday ran into a fierce overnight ambush that left a further two Americans dead, Libyan officials told Reuters. Accounts of the mayhem at the U.S. consulate, where the ambassador and a fourth American died after a chaotic protest over a film insulting to Islam, remain patchy. But two Libyan officials, including the commander of a security force which escorted the U.S. rescuers, said a later assault on a supposedly safe refuge for the diplomats appeared professionally executed. Miscommunication which understated the number of American survivors awaiting rescue - there were 37, nearly four times as many as the Libyan commander expected - also meant survivors and rescuers found themselves short of transport to escape this second battle, delaying an eventual dawn break for the airport. Captain Fathi al-Obeidi, whose special operations unit was ordered by Libya's authorities to meet an eight-man force at Benghazi airport, said that after his men and the U.S. squad had found the American survivors who had evacuated the blazing consulate, the ostensibly secret location in an isolated villa came under an intense and highly accurate mortar barrage. "I really believe that this attack was planned," he said, adding to suggestions by other Libyan officials that at least some of the hostility towards the Americans was the work of experienced combatants. "The accuracy with which the mortars hit us was too good for any regular revolutionaries." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiebear Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 Some people like Chris put themselves in harms way to get things done. Its good to see its worked a little bit as the follow up pictures in here are more than i can remember in the past. Communication is key. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 ****. I'm seeing worrying news about protests at the US embassy in Cairo...going on right now. Burning cars and such. https://twitter.com/NMSyria Escalation in protests at USEmbassyCairo as protesters get through barbed wire.6:35 PM Egypt showing us tonight to never argue with idiots. They’ll swoop you down to their level and beat you with experience. 6:40 PM Protesters at USEmbassyCairo set fire to van. Because that’s exactly what Prophet Muhammad taught us to do. 6:48 PM Fires breaking out all around the USEmbassyCairo as protests continue through night. 6:53 PM Rubber bullets and tear gas fired on violent protests outside USEmbassyCairo. 6:56 PM https://twitter.com/blakehounshell You can watch the ongoing protests near the U.S. Embassy in Egypt here: http://www.livestation.com/en/aljazeera-mubasher-misr/ar6:57 PM [it looks from the footage that the riots are a ways away from the embassy -- which has a distinctive high wall. Not seeing it on screen here 7:00 PM https://twitter.com/RawyaRageh Police arrest 3 protesters in renewed skirmishes outside US embsy. Abt 15 cases of tear gas inhalation, no one hospitalized.7:35 PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSkins561 Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 http://www.examiner.com/article/gary-johnson-issues-statement-on-libya-ambassador-killing-on-9-11"Part of honoring that service is to ask the obvious question: What U.S. interest is being served by putting our people – and our money – in places where U.S. personnel can be killed by extremists over a video? We launched millions of dollars worth of missiles to bring down Gaddafi, and this is what we get. We hail and encourage the outbreak of an Arab Spring in Egypt, send them billions of dollars we can’t afford, — and our embassy is breached and our flag desecrated." - Gary Johnson Gary nails this one, bring our troops home, close all of our embassies, let them fight their own wars and kill each other. After that, close their embassies in the US, send their diplomats home and stop funding all Middle Eastern countries with American taxes. ---------- Post added September-12th-2012 at 07:42 PM ---------- Some people like Chris put themselves in harms way to get things done. Its good to see its worked a little bit as the follow up pictures in here are more than i can remember in the past.Communication is key. IF...... the communication exists, not the case, clearly they are not rational if they expect for us to give up our rights to speak freely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 Gary nails this one, bring our troops home, close all of our embassies, let them fight their own wars and kill each other. After that, close their embassies in the US, send their diplomats home and stop funding all Middle Eastern countries with American taxes. And then build a big thousand foot wall around the US, stop international phone calls, and shut down the internet so there's no connection and chance of pollution by outside elements. https://www.facebook.com/TheSorryProject The Sorry Project "We Are Sorry" A project showing that the majority of the Libyan people oppose the crimes and violent actions committed against the US embassy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prosperity Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 Gary nails this one, bring our troops home, close all of our embassies, let them fight their own wars and kill each other. After that, close their embassies in the US, send their diplomats home and stop funding all Middle Eastern countries with American taxes.---------- Post added September-12th-2012 at 07:42 PM ---------- IF...... the communication exists, not the case, clearly they are not rational if they expect for us to give up our rights to speak freely. So what, now we're not even supposed to have embassies around the world? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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