The 12th Commandment Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 Please explain what "their culture" is or who "they" is. Lets make sure this is clear this was done by a small and radical group of Libyans not by anything mainstream even within the Salafi community so be careful when you talk about "their culture". Hardcore fanatical Muslims in the middle east (or anywhere for that matter). I also call hardcore fanatical Christians in the US "they". I might have phrased that better, I don't mean what you're thinking I mean. Sorry if that was insulting, not my intent. It's early here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpyaks3 Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 Hardcore fanatical Muslims in the middle east. I also call hardcore fanatical Christians in the US "they". I might have phrased that better, I don't mean what you're thinking I mean. Sorry if that was insulting, not my intent. It's early here. I was just trying to clear that up, thats what I thought you meant but didn't want that to start a jumping off point for others to bash Muslims or other groups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 12th Commandment Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 I was just trying to clear that up, thats what I thought you meant but didn't want that to start a jumping off point for others to bash Muslims or other groups. You had a valid point and I'm not above being corrected (matter of fact I appreciate the opportunity to clarify it before others think that's what I mean too). It's all good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destructis Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 Attacking our embassy and then killing our Ambassador crosses a line. This is an attack on US soil. Our response needs to be one that will send a serious message. If it were me, I wouldn't rule out military action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 12th Commandment Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 Attacking our embassy and then killing our Ambassador crosses a line. This is an attack on US soil. Our response needs to be one that will send a serious message. If it were me, I wouldn't rule out military action. I agree in principal, but what sort of response? It's a hell of fix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 Attacking our embassy and then killing our Ambassador crosses a line. This is an attack on US soil. Our response needs to be one that will send a serious message. If it were me, I wouldn't rule out military action. How spontaneous were these demonstrations? Where did the killers get rocket propelled grenades to do the killing? Where was Libyan law enforcement or security forces during these protests and attacks? Were they present? Did they make any effort to control the mob? Did they stand idly by? Answers to those questions will help inform the U.S. response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 Attacking our embassy and then killing our Ambassador crosses a line. This is an attack on US soil. Our response needs to be one that will send a serious message. If it were me, I wouldn't rule out military action. Great what target(s) would you suggest? Maybe the falafal shop on the corner of Tazik Square, I hear they use fillers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 I think so little of this has anything to do with the actual video, who is pulling the stings? Who put those people in the streets and at he embassy? Exactly, track and exterminate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 Where did the killers get rocket propelled grenades to do the killing? . You're kidding right? After their civil war those things are bound to be everywhere. ---------- Post added September-12th-2012 at 09:19 AM ---------- Exactly, track and exterminate Because killing them has shown to be effective at stopping violence....never. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 Because killing them has shown to be effective at stopping violence....never. If it is good enough for Osama ,it is good enough for the ones behind this. letting them live will NOT stop violence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destructis Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 I don't have the answers to what type of response. I don't have access to intelligence that the government has. The only information I have is the same information that you have from the news. If we don't send a serious message, then it puts all of our embassy's all over the world at risk. While smaller in scope, this attack is no different than 9/11. It was an attack on US soil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 If it is good enough for Osama ,it is good enough for the ones behind this.letting them live will NOT stop violence Look up the definition of "destructive cycle". So you kill the guy who fired the RPG or even better the guy who started the rally and put them there to begin with....problem solved right? I laugh because if I don't I'll lose my mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dictator Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 Sometimes I wonder, "what would Sarge's view of this be"...then twa shows up. It's just like having Sarge back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 12th Commandment Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 I don't have the answers to what type of response. I don't have access to intelligence that the government has. The only information I have is the same information that you have from the news. If we don't send a serious message, then it puts all of our embassy's all over the world at risk. While smaller in scope, this attack is no different than 9/11. It was an attack on US soil. As long as we don't start two wars over it, I'm ok. I'd rather pull our people and aid and use intelligence to punish the individuals responsible. Better yet if the LIbyan government punishes them and acts like a responsible body. ---------- Post added September-12th-2012 at 07:27 AM ---------- Sometimes I wonder, "what would Sarge's view of this be"...them twa shows up. It's just like having Sarge back. twa is a lot more subtle than Sarge ever was. Usually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 Look up the definition of "destructive cycle". So you kill the guy who fired the RPG or even better the guy who started the rally and put them there to begin with....problem solved right? I laugh because if I don't I'll lose my mind. what is your suggested response to a organised ,armed, attack that killed 4 US diplomats? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stadium-Armory Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 I'm afraid that the most reasonable response is a strongly worded statement. That's it. Sure, I'd like to see us kick some ass, but unfortunately we can't. What do you want us to do, invade Libya? Bomb Benghazi? Ultimately, we want Libya to be our ally and unfortunately these deaths will be part of the cost of our relationship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 Sometimes I wonder, "what would Sarge's view of this be"...then twa shows up. It's just like having Sarge back. Well, I think Sarge was the same guy as AirSarge who said he had intell about WMD being found almost 10 years ago. I don't think anybody has been that stupid since. Regardless, this is a bad situation. We have people here who are preaching hate to set off other folks because its not their responsibility once somebody gets killed. Part of me wants us to just leave these parts of the world to consume themselves. If they aren't fighting us, they are fighting each other. RIP to those who died in these attacks and shame on those who couldn't even wait until after 9/11 to make it political. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nonniey Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 You're kidding right? After their civil war those things are bound to be everywhere.---------- Post added September-12th-2012 at 09:19 AM ---------- Because killing them has shown to be effective at stopping violence....never. Your statement is historically inaccurate - reference Kitchner and the Sudan. Just pointing out a historical inaccuracy not advocating killing them, in this case, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebluefood Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 I agree in principal, but what sort of response? It's a hell of fix. No joke. It doesn't seem like these attacks are supported by the government, which makes it even trickier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsHokieFan Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 What a horrible, terrible tragedy. This makes me sick http://edition.cnn.com/2012/09/12/world/africa/libya-us-ambassador-killed/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 Libya's Prime Minister Abdurrahim el-Keib apologized "to the American people and the government, and also to the rest of the world" for the "cowardly criminal act."Libyan Deputy Prime Minister Mustafa Abushagur said Stevens was "a friend of Libya, and we are shocked at the the attacks on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi." "I condemn these barbaric acts in the strongest possible terms. This is an attack on America, Libya and free people everywhere," Abushagur said on Twitter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimboDaMan Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 what is your suggested response to a organised ,armed, attack that killed 4 US diplomats?First, take a breath and make sure you identify exactly what happened and who was responsible. The second worst thing we can do is nothing. The worst thing we can do is attack the wrong people. If we attack innocents as a show of force we're no better than those killers are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpyaks3 Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 I'm afraid that the most reasonable response is a strongly worded statement. That's it.Sure, I'd like to see us kick some ass, but unfortunately we can't. What do you want us to do, invade Libya? Bomb Benghazi? Ultimately, we want Libya to be our ally and unfortunately these deaths will be part of the cost of our relationship. That definitely seems like the best course of action that and continue to work with the Libyan government to work against extremist groups like Ansar al-Sharia. There really isn't much else productive we can do. Unfortunately the right wing seems to want to make this a heavily politicized issue (not the posters on this board) with ****heads like Reince Priebus tweeting that "Obama sympathizes with attackers in Egypt. Sad and Pathetic" I hope the backlash for both Mitt Romney and people like this is enormous, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 what is your suggested response to a organised ,armed, attack that killed 4 US diplomats? Kill more of the people that did it....that'll stop the violence and the hatred. You sound as twisted as thug gang leaders, only when we realize that violence is not the answer will we look for other solutions. We've tried it your way, it hasn't worked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madison Redskin Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 with ****heads like Reince Priebus tweeting that "Obama sympathizes with attackers in Egypt. Sad and Pathetic" I hope the backlash for both Mitt Romney and people like this is enormous, Reince must be great at raising money, because he is one of the most obnoxious little twerps in politics. And color me shocked that the GOP is not so subtly appealing to the "that black Muslim guy isn't a REAL American" crowd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 Kill more of the people that did it....that'll stop the violence and the hatred. You sound as twisted as thug gang leaders, only when we realize that violence is not the answer will we look for other solutions. We've tried it your way, it hasn't worked. We helped liberate them and armed them, now they are free so we fight. This system has worked for a long time. Get on board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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