rk3025 Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 T J Graham signed so that he could be in Bills camp on the 9th. Got to admire his agent for getting it done on time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2cents Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Maybe Mara has a unwritten rule that Luck has to sign first But are we violating the spirit of negotiation by not waiting to negotiate until Luck is signed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blitzpackage Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 T J Graham signed so that he could be in Bills camp on the 9th.Got to admire his agent for getting it done on time. He went to NCSU. We're sensible people I'm really pulling for this guy. I wish the Skins would've drafted him. Back on topic....let's get this deal done guys. If he misses all of this week it could be a "set-back" in the words of Coach Shanahan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rk3025 Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Ben Dogra said Goldson did not sign long term contract before 4 pm deadline and has not signed his $6.2 Million contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bedlamVR Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 The new CBA is just in its second year and it is all about setting precedents concerning offset pay. The owners are fairly united in saying that they will not allow the players to double dip. The player's agents are working to allow their players to get 2 paydays if the original team chooses to cut the player before their contract is up rather than letting team "A" off the hook for whatever team "B" will pay. Unlike Capgate, the front office is trying to stay in line with the united front with the rest of the owners. "Just paying RGIII" will affect the compensation for the first handfull of draftees for years to come, not just RGIII, not just this year. Riiiiiight -- this is nothing about solidarity - this is about nothing but money - there is no united front issue here - Several players didn't have offset language last season, Prince didn't Cam Newton didn't, the Panthers particularly are not going to let something as stupid as offset language and clawing back money if we cut Griffin within 4 years stop their players from getting into camp ....as for the second year their first round pick (Luke Kuechly . and i know it is not camp but a rookie camp but the draft was more than 80 days ago .. The Giants got all their players in on time - the Eagles did - hell Phillieas Fogg went round the world in less time ... in one of these 12 hour days at the park somone might have wanted to say - "Hey Robert - why not get your agent to get in touch so we can get this contract thingy sorted out ... " the sticking issue is CAA, Roberts agents, represent a number of the top draft picks . Including Luke Kuechly - They have got one of their clients a 4 year deal fully garunteed and they are going to fight to make sure their other clients get the same deal . It is going to make no difference when Luck signs - Also RGIII being a top pick makes no difference - The length of the deal is pre-determined as is the total value and the first years salary . The thing that is not outlined in the CBA is the offset language - This is something the teams are trying to shoe horn into the deals and make it normal protocol - its taking something simple and ****ing it up ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsfansince1988 Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Schefter just said on ESPN that RG3 can't sign until Luck signs, that is BS IMO. Is there some rule to that, Colts rookies don't report until the 28th and with Irsay's demands and whims, this is making me very nervous, RG3 is already missing valuable time he can't make up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boss_Hogg Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 the "offset language" is probably John Mara's approval. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slaga Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Riiiiiight -- this is nothing about solidarity - this is about nothing but money - there is no united front issue here - Several players didn't have offset language last season, Prince didn't Cam Newton didn't, the Panthers particularly are not going to let something as stupid as offset language and clawing back money if we cut Griffin within 4 years stop their players from getting into camp ....as for the second year their first round pick (Luke Kuechly . and i know it is not camp but a rookie camp but the draft was more than 80 days ago ... Let me be a little more concise for the reading impaired. It is all about money! The owners do not want to allow the players to double dip as that will drive up payroll, i.e. franchise tags, average pay at certain positions, etc. Most owners are pushing for offset language to keep rookie wages down as much as possible. Those front offices that are willing to forego the offset language are going against the grain of the rest of the ownership... The players are wanting everything they can get. It is not about solidarity. It is about money and none of the owners want to be the one to step out of line and remove the offset language until the player drafted before or after their guy signs so they can be in line with everyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsfansince1988 Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Let me be a little more concise for the reading impaired. It is all about money! The owners do not want to allow the players to double dip as that will drive up payroll, i.e. franchise tags, average pay at certain positions, etc. Most owners are pushing for offset language to keep rookie wages down as much as possible. Those front offices that are willing to forego the offset language are going against the grain of the rest of the ownership... The players are wanting everything they can get. It is not about solidarity. It is about money. So the Redskins are scared that Mara will punish them again for breaking no rules if they sign RG3 with no off set language, I hate Mara Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCClybun Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Riiiiiight -- this is nothing about solidarity - this is about nothing but money - there is no united front issue here - Several players didn't have offset language last season, Prince didn't Cam Newton didn't, the Panthers particularly are not going to let something as stupid as offset language and clawing back money if we cut Griffin within 4 years stop their players from getting into camp ....as for the second year their first round pick (Luke Kuechly . and i know it is not camp but a rookie camp but the draft was more than 80 days ago .Also RGIII being a top pick makes no difference - The length of the deal is pre-determined as is the total value and the first years salary . The thing that is not outlined in the CBA is the offset language - This is something the teams are trying to shoe horn into the deals and make it normal protocol - its taking something simple and ****ing it up ... Right, because clearly they haven't be negotiating the contract this whole time. Bruce Allen just looked at his calender and said "Hmm...****...hey Mike? We're supposed to do that whole contract thing, right?" RG3's deal has been on the table for a long time now. This is the only hanging point. And it has less to do with Robert's agent being fair and wanting all his guys to get the same deal, than it has to do with enticing other players coming out next year that "hey, if you want to sign your rookie deal with no offsets, come here to CAA!". The rookie wage scale pretty much eliminated agents telling their clients to hold out so they could pop a big number and entice the next crop of guys to join up. This is just the next thing; the offset language. Fully guaranteed contracts in the event you get cut. To you, it seems like a stupid issue that may never come up. To some organizations, they don't want to set the precedent. Good on the Panthers for not having it. Guess what? We're not the Panthers. We're not the Giants, we're certainly not the Eagles. It's not JUST the league doing this, and it's not JUST the agents. It's a combination of both; the owners have a vested interest in protecting themselves against all contingencies, no matter the unlikelihood of said events happening, and agents have a vested interested in getting the best deal for their players, in addition to enticing the next group of players to join the team. The new CBA is FAR from simple; there wouldn't be so much litigation about the new CBA, as well as confusion and frustration from coaches and front office personnel, if the CBA was simple. The rookie wage scale is just the next thing that owners and agents alike are trying to find the loopholes in. He'll be here in a couple days and it won't matter anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadowfire Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 My God some of you need to get some fresh air and just relax. Some of the bickering on here is more than ridiculous remember we are all rooting for the same team here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_Bleed_B&G Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 ^ They should change rename this website to ExtremeBickering.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bedlamVR Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 The rookie wage scale pretty much eliminated agents telling their clients to hold out so they could pop a big number and entice the next crop of guys to join up. This is just the next thing; the offset language. Fully guaranteed contracts in the event you get cut. To you, it seems like a stupid issue that may never come up. To some organizations, they don't want to set the precedent. Good on the Panthers for not having it. Guess what? We're not the Panthers. We're not the Giants, we're certainly not the Eagles. It's not JUST the league doing this, and it's not JUST the agents. It's a combination of both; the owners have a vested interest in protecting themselves against all contingencies, no matter the unlikelihood of said events happening, and agents have a vested interested in getting the best deal for their players, in addition to enticing the next group of players to join the team. . Okay if as you say this deal has been on the table for a LONG time then why is a deal going to get in the next few days - what changes in the next few days ? The team wants the offset but is negotiating with an agent who knows other teams will and have given up on the offest mechanism - You want to protect yourself against injury or off field issues then fine the team has the absolute right to do that .. there is wording that can be easily inserted into a contract with various legal mechanisms which deals with that but doesnt resort to a claw back of money . On the striking of the new CBA the teams got the NFLPA to agree to the rookie salary cap .. it was to reduce the money the kids were being paid and in effect letting proven players get paid . In 2010 the second round pick Suh got a $40 million guaranteed salary in his contract . For Griffin we are probably talking less than half of that spread out over a minimum of 4 years . Thats all this is, is about money, nothing moral or higher purpose - just money - and as 2011 proved was when millionaires and billionaires start arguing about money can be a Looong argument . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nonniey Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Let me be a little more concise for the reading impaired. It is all about money! The owners do not want to allow the players to double dip as that will drive up payroll, i.e. franchise tags, average pay at certain positions, etc. Most owners are pushing for offset language to keep rookie wages down as much as possible. Those front offices that are willing to forego the offset language are going against the grain of the rest of the ownership... The players are wanting everything they can get. It is not about solidarity. It is about money and none of the owners want to be the one to step out of line and remove the offset language until the player drafted before or after their guy signs so they can be in line with everyone else. Hey the Panthers ought to be assessed $36 million off their rookie pool over the next two seasons for violating the owners collusion.:pfft: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Tater Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Riiiiiight -- this is nothing about solidarity - this is about nothing but money - there is no united front issue here - Several players didn't have offset language last season, Prince didn't Cam Newton didn't, the Panthers particularly are not going to let something as stupid as offset language and clawing back money if we cut Griffin within 4 years stop their players from getting into camp ....as for the second year their first round pick (Luke Kuechly . and i know it is not camp but a rookie camp but the draft was more than 80 days ago .. The Giants got all their players in on time - the Eagles did - hell Phillieas Fogg went round the world in less time ... in one of these 12 hour days at the park somone might have wanted to say - "Hey Robert - why not get your agent to get in touch so we can get this contract thingy sorted out ... " the sticking issue is CAA, Roberts agents, represent a number of the top draft picks . Including Luke Kuechly - They have got one of their clients a 4 year deal fully garunteed and they are going to fight to make sure their other clients get the same deal . It is going to make no difference when Luck signs - Also RGIII being a top pick makes no difference - The length of the deal is pre-determined as is the total value and the first years salary . The thing that is not outlined in the CBA is the offset language - This is something the teams are trying to shoe horn into the deals and make it normal protocol - its taking something simple and ****ing it up ... The question is do they want it more than they want RG3 or if RG3 wants to play for the Redskins more than the Redskins want him. I'd question RG3's intelligence if he didn't go for no offset language. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander PK Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Maybe Mara has a unwritten rule that Luck has to sign first If Griffin signs first, it will violate a rule that they will put into effect tomorrow. The Redskins have been warned numerous times about this. If Griffin signs first tomorrow's rule will be violated, and the Redskins organization will lose all of their cap space for the rest of this decade, and be LUCKY if they don't lose all their draft picks also. so let it be written so let it be done... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grhqofb5 Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 I heard he has an awesome arm. We need to sign him, whatever it takes. 5, 10, 20 years even. Give him the keys to the stadium, club level passes for his whole family for life. Maybe give him some ownership interest, like 51% or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mahons21 Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 ^ They should change rename this website to ExtremeBickering.com The worst part is they're not even that upset yet. Unfortunately that's just how some of them post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsmarydu Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 If Griffin signs first, it will violate a rule that they will put into effect tomorrow. The Redskins have been warned numerous times about this. If Griffin signs first tomorrow's rule will be violated, and the Redskins organization will lose all of their cap space for the rest of this decade, and be LUCKY if they don't lose all their draft picks also.so let it be written so let it be done... Mara is Creeping Death. Just got my Bleacher Report e-mail, and nothing new. Looks like his agent wants to set a precedent, thereby ensuring HIS future prospects' guaranteed salaries, despite trades or releases...because his agent surely has to know that there is zero chance of us releasing him, unless something bad happens, like a Theismann-type injury that keeps him from playing ever again. Am I getting this right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cphil006 Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 If Griffin signs first, it will violate a rule that they will put into effect tomorrow. The Redskins have been warned numerous times about this. If Griffin signs first tomorrow's rule will be violated, and the Redskins organization will lose all of their cap space for the rest of this decade, and be LUCKY if they don't lose all their draft picks also.so let it be written so let it be done... What exactly is this rule? Is it really a rule, or collusion by the owners or NFLPA? ---------- Post added July-16th-2012 at 07:07 PM ---------- Schefter just said on ESPN that RG3 can't sign until Luck signs, that is BS IMO. Is there some rule to that, Colts rookies don't report until the 28th and with Irsay's demands and whims, this is making me very nervous, RG3 is already missing valuable time he can't make up This. What the heck is going on with RG3 can't sign until Luck signs? Is this accurate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander PK Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 What exactly is this rule? Is it really a rule, or collusion by the owners or NFLPA? Actually it's going to be a new commandment. The owners are colluding to decide this new commandment, and they will vote on the commandment they colluded to decide on tomorrow which is guaranteed to pass. "Thou shalt not sign the second overall draft pick until thou brother has signed his first overall draft pick...otherwise thou wilt be struck down with great vengeance and furious anger..." The owners will then vote to retroactively punish the Redskins for breaking tomorrow's commandment today, and the Archangel's God dell and Mara will be sent to inflict just punishment and great suffering on the Redskins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cphil006 Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Actually it's going to be a new commandment. The owners are colluding to decide this new commandment, and they will vote on the commandment they colluded to decide on tomorrow which is guaranteed to pass. "Thou shalt not sign the second round draft pick until thou brother has signed his first round draft pick...otherwise thou wilt be struck down with great vengeance and furious anger..." The owners will then vote to retroactively punish the Redskins for breaking tomorrow's commandment today, and the Archangel's God dell and Mara will be sent to inflict just punishment and great suffering on the Redskins. You've got to be kidding about the rule. How in the world can this be? Redskins start training camp before the Colts. It makes no sense... ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Come on guys, get it done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rk3025 Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 New Orleans signed all their draft picks and Brees so they can work on the Redskins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redskns21 Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 I wonder what to make of this tweet by pulled from RG3's twitter feed. http://twitter.com/cbaker92redskin/status/224946891278917632 Great workout today with @RGIII #HTTR we getting ready Reply Retweet Favorite 12:21 PM - 16 Jul 12 via Twitter for iPhone · Embed this Tweet Robert Griffin III @RGIII @cbaker92redskin Always getting it in Details Reply Retweet Favorite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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