I_Bleed_B&G Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 I think i might hate the Giants a %'age more than I hate the pukes now. All along I hated them the least out of the 3 division teams. Not anymore. **** them and I hope we sweep them again this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJValleySkinz Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 LOL, seriously? More holding penalties were called against the Giants during the playoffs than every other team combined. The ball was mis-spotted in the Falcons favor on multiple occasions during the wild card game. And the only TD's Green Bay scored came on a drive where the refs gave the Packers the ball back after they turned it over and on a drive that was extended by a phantom roughing the passer penalty on 3rd down. Completely agree it is ridiculous to suggest games were rigged for the Giants. Their corruption is at a much higher level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HailGreen28 Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 LOL, seriously? More holding penalties were called against the Giants during the playoffs than every other team combined. The ball was mis-spotted in the Falcons favor on multiple occasions during the wild card game. And the only TD's Green Bay scored came on a drive where the refs gave the Packers the ball back after they turned it over and on a drive that was extended by a phantom roughing the passer penalty on 3rd down.There's calls labeled "make up" calls for a reason. The Gnats have been a chippy, dirty team for awhile now. Given the disappearance of the "Brady Rules" in the SB, and John Mara's backdoor dealing, it's an easy connection to make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueinBuf Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 There's calls labeled "make up" calls for a reason. The Gnats have been a chippy, dirty team for awhile now. Given the disappearance of the "Brady Rules" in the SB, and John Mara's backdoor dealing, it's an easy connection to make. Care to give some examples of the Giants being a dirty team? Or provide some clips of these so called "late" hits on Brady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HailGreen28 Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 Care to give some examples of the Giants being a dirty team? Or provide some clips of these so called "late" hits on Brady.The constant scuffling your boys engage in. The fights your players have started with Moss, Landry... and the difference between how the SB was called, and when the Pats played us, speaks for itself.NYG *fans* have been a decent lot, in my experience. With actions taken at the top by John Mara and Co, cap penalties against division opponents, the recent superbowl host deal, and the various cheapshots Gnats have taken at Skins players, everything the Gnats *team* has done should be called into question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptr77 Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 The constant scuffling your boys engage in. The fights your players have started with Moss, Landry... and the difference between how the SB was called, and when the Pats played us, speaks for itself.NYG *fans* have been a decent lot, in my experience. With actions taken at the top by John Mara and Co, cap penalties against division opponents, the recent superbowl host deal, and the various cheapshots Gnats have taken at Skins players, everything the Gnats *team* has done should be called into question. I'd be mad too if my favorite teams owner was Snyder and just lost my team 36 million in cap space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewCliche21 Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 I'd be mad too if my favorite teams owner was Snyder and just lost my team 36 million in cap space. I'd be mad, too if: 1) I lived in Canada (jokes!). 2) I knew that it was my owner who is basically cheating regarding that cap hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitman21ST Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 I'd be mad too if my favorite teams owner was Snyder and just lost my team 36 million in cap space. I'd be mad too when the team that just lost $36M in cap space beats my team who gained cap space because of it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve09ru Posted March 18, 2012 Author Share Posted March 18, 2012 LOL, seriously? More holding penalties were called against the Giants during the playoffs than every other team combined. The ball was mis-spotted in the Falcons favor on multiple occasions during the wild card game. And the only TD's Green Bay scored came on a drive where the refs gave the Packers the ball back after they turned it over and on a drive that was extended by a phantom roughing the passer penalty on 3rd down. lol Giants fans complaining about calls during wins....sorry Goodell couldn't win the games more than what was already done for you. Maybe for now on they'll give the Giants 10 TO's a game so they won't have to fake injuries to slow down offenses. Pathetic ******* losers -- i propose a new forum rule -> any Giants fan that tries to troll this thread should have a temp. band at minimum. You want to post about Giants "greatness" then make your own ******** thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blue Joe Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 lol Giants fans complaining about calls during wins....sorry Goodell couldn't win the games more than what was already done for you. Maybe for now on they'll give the Giants 10 TO's a game so they won't have to fake injuries to slow down offenses.So if a team wins it's OK for the officials to make terrible calls against them? I don't see the problem with wanting the refs do their jobs competently.-- i propose a new forum rule -> any Giants fan that tries to troll this thread should have a temp. band at minimum. You want to post about Giants "greatness" then make your own ******** threadThose kinds of threads are typically frowned upon around here. I'm not sure if you are aware of this, but this message board is burgundy and gold for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptr77 Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 I'd be mad too when the team that just lost $36M in cap space beats my team who gained cap space because of it... I'm sure if that happens I will get over it. If you guys honestly believe there is some Giants conspiracy to win games and superbowls, or that John Mara runs the NFL I don't know what to tell you. I liken it to Truthers and Birthers honestly. Some people just want to believe outside uncontrolled forces are responsible for everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 I'd be mad too if my favorite teams owner was Snyder and just lost my team 36 million in cap space. I'd be mad too if my last two Super Bowl title winning teams were among the weakest in NFL history (turning it on for the playoffs is nice but does not a season or dominance make.) Meanwhile, Dallas, the Niners, Skins and Green Bay all have better single seasons than your franchise (including non-championship years where an even better season by a dynasty proved too much to overcome) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boss_Hogg Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 I'd be mad too if my favorite teams owner was Snyder and just lost my team 36 million in cap space. I'd be mad if my starting QBs name was Elijah and my owner is so chicken little, that he has to penalize teams in his division for an advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSO Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Mike Florio following that one up this morning.http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/17/redskins-cowboys-could-go-nuclear-over-cap-mess/ After reading this, well, I'm not much for cursing... but yeah, this thread title. Can't believe what happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LD0506 Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 I'm sure if that happens I will get over it. If you guys honestly believe there is some Giants conspiracy to win games and superbowls, or that John Mara runs the NFL I don't know what to tell you. I liken it to Truthers and Birthers honestly. Some people just want to believe outside uncontrolled forces are responsible for everything. Mara's involvement in this mess isn't some conspiracy dreamed up on ES, it is being discussed openly in the media, so are we using our Jedi mindtricks to make THAT happen? Who's wearing the tinfoil hat now? No one that is a fan of the game, notwithstanding any particular team they root for, can look at this and simply declare it all on the up-n-up, it reeks. The elements have been listed and discussed at length elsewhere so I won't reiterate them, but honestly, I don't know how anyone in or out of football sees this as a good thing. It sets a precedent for anyone being ghanked at any time, or at the worst possible time, as long as you pay off enough of the owners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWFLSkins Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 I'm sure if that happens I will get over it. If you guys honestly believe there is some Giants conspiracy to win games and superbowls, or that John Mara runs the NFL I don't know what to tell you. I liken it to Truthers and Birthers honestly. Some people just want to believe outside uncontrolled forces are responsible for everything. You can't see the forest when you keep running into a tree. This was backroom politics by Mara costing two teams he competes against a penalty on a unwritten policy. That is illegal and violates US labor laws. I don't know if anything comes of it in court but it should, labor was just boondoggled on this deal by allowing it to happen. btw those interested can learn and post a signature here opposing the action.... http://www.change.org/petitions/the-nfl-nflpa-and-roger-goodell-reverse-the-cap-penalty-on-the-cowboys-and-redskins# from that page explaining the curious timing of the move........... Q: Why did this happen the day before free agency? A: The answer to that lies in the reason it took so long for the league to establish and announce this year's salary cap. The union must sign off on the cap before it is approved, and it obviously took issue initially with the idea of punishing teams for spending money in an uncapped year. But the league was toying with the idea of lowering this year's salary cap, and used this issue as a bargaining chip with the union. Basically, if the union agreed to the punishment for the Redskins and Cowboys, the cap would be $120.6 million, as it is now. But if they refused, the league was prepared to make the cap lower. I don't know by how much, but say for the sake of argument they wanted to drop it to $116 million per team. That'd have been a total of $128 million when spread across 32 teams — a significant loss to the players if they agreed to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HailGreen28 Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 I'd be mad too if my favorite teams owner was Snyder and just lost my team 36 million in cap space.True (lol) and true. That's why your cheating ******* of an owner and chippy dirty team are being called out, now. Including by people on this board far more eloquent than I. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bedlamVR Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 I do not like Giants fans - They have become pompous arrogant asses . All of them . When we beat the Giants twice last year they gave no respect - with the pathetic "thanks for beating us- it woke us up" whining ass thread, and now they come on the Redskins board not only defend the NFL (Mara) ruling that the Skins and the Cowboys (2 of the 3 competitors in the NFCE) should be the only teams punished for the 2010 capless season - and the Redskins should particularly be disproportionately and inconsistently punished (I wonder which NFCE team swept the Giants last year?) but to offer nothing but "nah nah" you got in trouble - stick prodding posts .... The NFL shines on your scumbag franchise - from giving it extra home games (by scheduling games against the Jets) or taking home games away from other franchises (Saints - ) favorable calls, totally ignoring the tampering which went on with the Manning family in the draft, ignoring complaints that your team routinly fakes injuries to slow the tempo of games down ..... (yes this is ranting) John Mara hates the idea that people like Jerry Jones, Dan Snyder (self made men) can come in and buy NFL franchises and run roughshod over the establishment in the NFL - I mean he (Mara) born with a silver spoon in his mouth inherited his team from Wellington Mara his family is the old guard and when these upstarts spend money on the players - it makes the other team owners look bad . I hate the Giants and I can only hope Karma comes and kicks you in the collective asses..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjfootballer Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 I'd be mad too if my favorite teams owner was Snyder and just lost my team 36 million in cap space. At least know what you are talking about. Snyder doesn't run the team. All contracts are run by Bruce Allen. You're just as bad as the media when it comes to Snyder. ---------- Post added March-19th-2012 at 08:53 AM ---------- lol Giants fans complaining about calls during wins....sorry Goodell couldn't win the games more than what was already done for you. Maybe for now on they'll give the Giants 10 TO's a game so they won't have to fake injuries to slow down offenses.Pathetic ******* losers -- i propose a new forum rule -> any Giants fan that tries to troll this thread should have a temp. band at minimum. You want to post about Giants "greatness" then make your own ******** thread Don't forget the thread started by Tom, who complained about not getting calls in a "Win." Pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCS Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 My recommendation to the the Giants fans here,is to take a look at the title of the thread and realize what it's there for before posting here. With that in mind,you probably can find other threads,(they're there),to respond to. Things are obviously going to be a bit volatile in here to say the least. Go figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bedlamVR Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 I'm sure if that happens I will get over it. If you guys honestly believe there is some Giants conspiracy to win games and superbowls, or that John Mara runs the NFL I don't know what to tell you. I liken it to Truthers and Birthers honestly. Some people just want to believe outside uncontrolled forces are responsible for everything. You are a dick - Sorry your a Giants fan trying to say Mara is not having undue influence over the NFL because of a close relationship with Goodells and his significant influence over the key NFL committees - On a Redskins board - a NFCE competitor that has recently felt the wrath of Mara wielding his influence .... hence a dick . Lets discount the odd calls and ref bounces in the Giants favor (and the Giants fans ****ing and whining that calls - went against them in wins OMG - you know legitimate calls go against other franchises all the time and more often than not such decisions cost those teams actual wins) because that is subjective to a point . Lets just focus on where the Giants seem to be bending the will of the NFL in their favor . It appears the Competition Committee is the only thing that cap charges went through and that the only teams penalised were NFCE teams despite the fact nearly every team in the NFL shoved money into the capless season . If they are saying the Skins and the boys did something wrong in principle then If other teams did the same thing (though to a lesser extent) the thing they did is wrong is still wrong. Arguing the extent of wrongness is like arguing you can be a little bit pregnant - so any team that scheduled more money into the 2010 season should be punished - but they were not . And they wont be and to be honest the only difference between the Cowboys and Redskins and teams like the Packers and Bears or Texans is none of those other teams play in the NFCE where the head of the competition committee is run by John Mara. I think the NFL and the competition committee thought it would be easy to paint Jones and Snyder as the devil in this and they hoped the flurry of activity at the beginning of the free agency would bury the story and generally it did, with even ESPN and PFT dropping stories on the subject and no national coverage . In fact the two teams singled out were not even punished in the same way - where the Cowboys got a proportion of the Austin contract savings where as the Redskins got clobbered for the full savings on the Hall and Hayensworth contracts . Mara and the competition committee still have not taken any action against the Buccaneers (for example) I note who spent nothing (well below the 2009 cap floor) in 2010 but stockpiled cash and capspace to give themselves a competitive advantage in 2012 - but hey last time i checked the Bucs play in the NFC south ...... And also it fairly hard to prove the Skins or the Cowboys were able to gain a competitive advantage because of their actions in 2010, which were essentially cap clearing moves, and they did not go round like crazy people hoovering up all the free agent talent (which was - you have to admit) the big fear and driving up prices in the league ...in fact the Skins essentially put up a vet min only sign up in 2010 and 11 signing a couple of players to very modest contracts (in 2010 I think our biggest free agent addition was Larry Johnson) the Skins also went on to finish last in the NFCE in 2010 and 11 and were extremely modest in the 2011 market where there was a cap ...the only team we seemed to have a competitive advantage over were the Giants, who were swept in 2011 by the Skins ... say doesnt Mara have something to do with the Giants .... Then you have to look at the 2014 super bowl .... going to NY ...... errrm are we playing the Superbowl in May in 2014 ? You see generally there are rules for bidding for superbowls and generally the NFL points the Superbowl at lower income teams in a kind of socialist redistribution . The rules for bidding are "The NFL has required an average temperature of 50 degrees or a dome for a team to even bid on hosting the Super Bowl, " but the league bent the rule to let New York bid.http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/nfl-pro-football-super-bowl-new-york-2014 I not be surprised if the NFL nudge the Giants and the Jets to meet in 2014 or the Giants and Broncos .... by favorable calls and officating ... hell maybe the NFL can arrange for the Giants to get some more home games in 2014 as they have in the past .... But no your right the Giants and the Maras have NO INFLUENCE .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve09ru Posted March 20, 2012 Author Share Posted March 20, 2012 Sorry I don't like quoting and commenting with just one word and no input but ^^^^^^ Owned Don't forget the thread started by Tom, who complained about not getting calls in a "Win." Pathetic. Haha and that was the thread that he showed evidence that proved it was a good call (the fumble with the ankle down) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kindred Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 Mara from the article: "I thought the penalties imposed were proper," Mara said. "What they did was in violation of the spirit of the salary cap. They attempted to take advantage of a one-year loophole, and quite frankly, I think they're lucky they didn't lose draft picks." http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post...-got-off-lucky **** you Giants and **** you Mara. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinklein Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 **** the Giants, and **** Mara. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHOPSkins Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 I'd be mad too if my favorite teams owner was Snyder and just lost my team 36 million in cap space.I dont knowI think I would be more upset my Owner was visitng Goodell through his back door.....so to speak .......John Mara's backdoor dealing, it's an easy connection to make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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