skins2323 Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 Fair enough....I was banking on Landrys trade value, but I totally understand that coming off an injury and likely with the tag on him, he wont be as attractice as I may think. Gaffney has had a big yr, and I was hoping to capitalize on that saying the Rams would be keeping a top 10 pick, getting a 2nd next yr plus 2 potential starters, 1 whom has the talent to be a mega playmaker. I would love to be able to keep our 2nd this yr though, if not then maybe we include it and target Nate Potter later in the draft. How about this one: Landry, Gaffney, (2011) 1st, 2nd (2012) 2nd? Is that enough or do we have to include the 2012 1st rounder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terpskins10 Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 Landry, Gaffney, (2011) 1st, 2nd (2012) 2nd? Is that enough or do we have to include the 2012 1st rounder? Do you know what year it is? ---------- Post added December-31st-2011 at 03:29 PM ---------- Landry, Gaffney, (2011) 1st, 2nd (2012) 2nd? Is that enough or do we have to include the 2012 1st rounder? To answer your question, there's no way we make this trade without giving up at least our 2012 first rounder and 2013 first rounder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jbank31 Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 I would not be surprised if it took three firsts and someone like Trent Williams. If it happens, it is going to have to be a blockbuster, because too many teams will be in the bidding war. I for one am in favor of trading to number one or two if that is the guy the organization believes can lead the team for the next dozen years or so. Many of you are going to say we overpaid if this goes down, but I am sick of losing seasons. My ten year old is losing faith. I need a decent year to keep him on board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsoe Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 I have an ideaLet's trade the best picks in our next three drafts, plus the guys we've chosen first in two of the last three drafts, and in return we'll get a question mark at QB! Who cares if we weaken the overall team considerably and cripple our ability to recoup the lost players with anything resembling their current talent level, we'll have a QB! This is building through the draft! Finally we're getting it right! Instead of wasting a ton of money and crippling our team for the future by purchasing free agents that underachieve because their cap hits won't allow for additional talent to go with them, now we'll waste all of our draft picks (both future and past) and throw away talent we've already grown in order to put one guy on the team, who will underachive because we've gotten rid of quality pieces already in place, and crippled our ability to replace them! ~ES Nation Not to mention that most of the winning teams recently seem to get their QBs outside the first 5 picks so its only logical that we dive in for all the marbles. Here's a question to the ES statistic detectives or anyone who knows this off the top of their head. Which players/teams have traded the house for a draft pick and how have they done? The only one coming up for me is Ricky Williams, and that was a giant fail for Ditka and the Saints. Eli Manning also comes to mind, but Rivers was ultimately the trade bait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Personally, I think it's a dumb idea and scoff at the idea that this thread was even started. We aren't giving up enough for Bradford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Win4us Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Personally, I think it's a dumb idea and scoff at the idea that this thread was even started.We aren't giving up enough for Bradford. Is Bradford still a good QB or is it lack of picks (ol, wr) around him bringing his game down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy_Smith Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Is trading up at substantial cost the only way to secure a shot at Luck? Can't we just float a few Warren Sapp type drug rumors before the draft and wait for him to fall to us?:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Is Bradford still a good QB or is it lack of picks (ol, wr) around him bringing his game down? Although we as Redskins fans would like to think differently, we are just as bad as the Rams. Bradford hasn't turned the Rams into a great football team. Why should we give up a pick in hopes that Bradford would perform better for our team? Either way... if I were the Rams, I'd hold onto Bradford and trade that first overall pick for a laundry list of picks to improve the rest of the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Win4us Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Although we as Redskins fans would like to think differently, we are just as bad as the Rams. Bradford hasn't turned the Rams into a great football team. Why should we give up a pick in hopes that Bradford would perform better for our team?Either way... if I were the Rams, I'd hold onto Bradford and trade that first overall pick for a laundry list of picks to improve the rest of the team. Oh i would as well, the Rams are in a decent position once they decide which route to go. If they do decide to part with Bradford pending a regime change in St Louis i'd be interested to know what it would take to get SB. Gotta be a helluva lot cheaper than modern tradeups for the first overall pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsoe Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Although we as Redskins fans would like to think differently, we are just as bad as the Rams. Bradford hasn't turned the Rams into a great football team. Why should we give up a pick in hopes that Bradford would perform better for our team?Either way... if I were the Rams, I'd hold onto Bradford and trade that first overall pick for a laundry list of picks to improve the rest of the team. We aren't nearly as bad as the Rams, they severely lack direction and depth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8181 Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 If I'm the Rams, I take Luck or RG3 if the scouts grade them as good as advertised... Of course, I hope they don't and trade with us.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregpeck99 Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 If i were the Rams GM, I would trade Bradford ... not Luck! Just sayin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slateman Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 We aren't nearly as bad as the Rams, they severely lack direction and depth. But they have a franchise QB. I would gladly trade places with them. Especially if they have the number 1 pick. One trade back would give them a huge improvement in depth over the next two drafts. ---------- Post added January-1st-2012 at 01:03 AM ---------- If i were the Rams GM, I would trade Bradford ... not Luck!Just sayin. They really can't because of his contract. Bradford signed a 60 million dollar deal. Not many teams can take that kind of.cap hit right now. Not without restructuring it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitman#21 Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 But they have a franchise QB. I would gladly trade places with them. Especially if they have the number 1 pick. One trade back would give them a huge improvement in depth over the next two drafts. ---------- Post added January-1st-2012 at 01:03 AM ---------- They really can't because of his contract. Bradford signed a 60 million dollar deal. Not many teams can take that kind of.cap hit right now. Not without restructuring it. I would never trade places with the Rams, whats the point of having a franchise Qb if your defense is horrible, and he is playing behind a horrible O-line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveakl Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 If i were the Rams GM, I would trade Bradford ... not Luck!Just sayin. Are you serious? Did you watch him play his rookie year? There is a reason he was the #1 pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HogNose Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Is Bradford still a good QB or is it lack of picks (ol, wr) around him bringing his game down? He is still a good QB but he desperately needs some help at the other positions. When I see Bradford & the Rams , I see Terry Bradshaw & the Steelers. It took Bradshaw a few years to get going, but in the beginning the team was awful and so was Bradshaw. The Steelers finally drafted guys like Harris, Swann, Webster, Lambert etc. and the rest is history. The Rams need to trade the pick and get as many picks as they can. They would be foolish to give up on Bradford for a shiny new toy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice_of_Reason Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 I would never trade places with the Rams, whats the point of having a franchise Qb if your defense is horrible, and he is playing behind a horrible O-line. I agree. I think the way that Allen and Shanahan are building this team makes a ton of sense. Get some pieces, some depth, and don't over-reach for one position. Once you have enough pieces in place, then go after the QB. Why waste 2-4 years of a young QB while you try and build the roster? It's going to take the Rams 2-3 more years to get enough talent to compete, and then you've blown the first 5 years of your #1 overall pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lou4gehrig Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 I agree. I think the way that Allen and Shanahan are building this team makes a ton of sense. Get some pieces, some depth, and don't over-reach for one position. Once you have enough pieces in place, then go after the QB. Why waste 2-4 years of a young QB while you try and build the roster? It's going to take the Rams 2-3 more years to get enough talent to compete, and then you've blown the first 5 years of your #1 overall pick. I guess the same argument can be made for Trent Williams. Why draft him when his shelf life (10 years probably) is half used up by the time you're a decent team. To me you start with QB because 1. it takes the longest for them to develop, 2. they tend to play longer than other positions because it's lower rate of contact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martytheman Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 I would never trade places with the Rams, whats the point of having a franchise Qb if your defense is horrible, and he is playing behind a horrible O-line. Didnt you know? According to everyone here a "franchise" qb solves everything. Defense, ol play, everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Didnt you know? According to everyone here a "franchise" qb solves everything. Defense, ol play, everything. Not everything...but when QB play has almost exclusively been this team's biggest weakness over the past 20 years, isn't it safe to assume that a franchise QB would at least solve THAT problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spjunkies Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Looks like the Colts are trying to lose on purpose!!! This is what I was afraid of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarheel_Skin Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Looks like the Colts are trying to lose on purpose!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LehighValleySkinsFan Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 I hate the Colts sooo much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martytheman Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Not everything...but when QB play has almost exclusively been this team's biggest weakness over the past 20 years, isn't it safe to assume that a franchise QB would at least solve THAT problem? The defense and ol has been equally ****ty over the same span. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohioskinsfan Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 I'm not watching the indy game but what makes people think they are losing on purpose? Flipped it over and they just scored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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