pjfootballer Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 I know it would be impossible to do, but I always said they should just post massive drunk driving checkpoints outside the stadium for a few games and process patty wagons full of drunk drivers. I bet that would cut down on how bombed people are getting at these games. People come sober. Drink in the parking lot and then drink at the game. This would work after the game, but the traffic moves so slow, one could sober up by the time you hit the beltway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampEm Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 I'll never for the life of me understand why someone would want to spend hard earned dollars on something that's far from cheap to attend; only to get paralytically drunk and nine times out of ten not remember what they paid for the next day.I like a drink with the best of them, but to drink for the sake of drinking to that extent and in many cases ruin what I was there for is just about as asinine a thing as I could think of doing on game day. You can't even make the excuse that it's the folly of youth as a lot of older guys are as bad. I'll honestly never understand that mentality. For me, when your at that stage your just drinking for drinking's sake. Hail. I enjoy getting hammered at the games. I don't cuss and I have never been in a fight anywhere; ever. I go to the games with my friends from college and we have a blast even if our memories of the games are a little hazy. And yes we do use DD's. As I have said over and over in this thread that it is just a matter of fact that when you get 80,000 to 90,000 people together that a few will not act properly. You can even take a high school for an example. Lets say its a small school and 500 kids attend. They go to school for approximately 180 days. That equals 90,000 visits to school in a calendar year which would equal one game at FedEx. If a fight breaks out in the cafeteria, or the parking lot once, twice, or three times during the entire year does that make it a dangerous high school? Not in my book. So if you have three fights during one game it would be the same as a relatively calm high school. I know there are other things that you can cite where this rate would be much lower; like 0% (Church, employment, etc), but believe it or not there are still some people that fight. It's not something that I like to do, but it is something that happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boston Skins Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 Regardless of what the DTC may or may not be, they are part of the problem that is the NFL in general, not just FedEx Field. It all boils down to fans with attitudes and alcohol mixed in. Get rid of alcohol? No. Damn near impossible. But some changes have to be made to keep these people out of our stadiums before someone seriously gets injured. Have we learned nothing from the incident that involved the Dodgers fans mercilessly beating a Giants fan? That dude is STILL in the hospital. If you don't think there's a widespread problem with this, whether it's developed over time or always been like this, then you're either ignorant or blind. And just because it's supposedly been going on forever, does that really make it OK and just something that can be shrugged off? The posts I've seen in this thread are simply incredible... Fan behavior is a problem. And those who choose to ignore, who laugh about it, won't be doing so if it ends up to be THEIR child who gets accidentally injured from a stupid fight between a Eagles and Redskins fan in the stands. End of rant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B55Green Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 It's all about holding your liquor, I can get smashed and I don't cause problems, others will turn into a fighting machine. This happens everywhere though, video cameras have just made it more known than everyone was use to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E33Green Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 Seems like everything i've heard about your "crew" has been negative buddy. And these are from people with first hand experience: I used to think that way, until I became a Season Ticket Holder and quickly realized that the DTC RUNS FEDEX FIELD. Little known fact: Dan Snyder meets with the Mayor prior to each season and listens to suggestions for improving the tailgating experience. The Mayor also saved me from a brutal beating at the hands of sociopathic Eagles fans. If we had 90,000 "Mayors" at FedEx, we would have won multiple Super Bowls throughout the 2000's. THAT'S A FACT, JACK!:logo: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbs Hog Heaven Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 I enjoy getting hammered at the games. I don't cuss and I have never been in a fight anywhere; ever. I go to the games with my friends from college and we have a blast even if our memories of the games are a little hazy. And yes we do use DD's. As I have said over and over in this thread that it is just a matter of fact that when you get 80,000 to 90,000 people together that a few will not act properly. You can even take a high school for an example. Lets say its a small school and 500 kids attend. They go to school for approximately 180 days. That equals 90,000 visits to school in a calendar year which would equal one game at FedEx. If a fight breaks out in the cafeteria, or the parking lot once, twice, or three times during the entire year does that make it a dangerous high school? Not in my book. So if you have three fights during one game it would be the same as a relatively calm high school. I know there are other things that you can cite where this rate would be much lower; like 0% (Church, employment, etc), but believe it or not there are still some people that fight. It's not something that I like to do, but it is something that happens. Which is exactly why there needs to be serious deterrents in place. If kids in the school analogy you mentioned acted like complete asses and disrupted lesson's they'd be punished. Same as if they got into a fight. And if they repeated that behaviour, they'd wind up ultimately being expelled from the school. At present, the deterrents just aren't in place to make both people think twice about their behaviour; and to make others feel safe about attending. That alone is a massive black mark against this fan base as a whole that should make everyone concerned sit up and take notice. When parents don't feel it's the right environment to take their kids, the very same kids that are the fan of tomorrow, then we have a serious problem within our own fan base. Hail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capcrunch98 Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 The mods deleted the thread, so I cannot retrieve it. But that clown was making racial comments directed towards an Indian poster. Wow, how classy. Don't know anything about the guy and his group, so I can't comment. His writeup of the DTC sounds good. The one point I'm skeptical about is his claim that they have been in "very few" fights. That may be true of the tailgate itself, but I wonder how some his colleagues behave themselves once they get into the stadium after 4+ hours of heavy drinking and listening to war chants over a megaphone? Again, I have never tailgated with the DTC so I am trying to stay subjective, but I think it's a fair question based on the topic of this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCS Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 Boss. We don't delete threads as a practice here. It was simply moved as we do sometimes with threads like that one. Also. Let's be careful of charges of racism. The Mayor is still around so that probably says something right there,(aside from there being some subjective differences where that term is concerned). Now what say we do something different and avoid making this one about the DTC. Hint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.T.real,lights,out Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 People come sober. Drink in the parking lot and then drink at the game. This would work after the game, but the traffic moves so slow, one could sober up by the time you hit the beltway. Plus im sure enough people take the Metro home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsngibbs4life Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 Like was mentioned earlier, the American's would do well to both learn from and follow their English counterparts who are heavily experienced and at the top of their game in crowd safety.Hail. Its not that hard actually. First if they are a season ticket holder its pretty easy to cancel that. Then you have security watching CCTV for known trouble makers and with face recognition software you would be amazed who you can pick out of a crowd and then direct security to. This is actually quite funny to me. While it is a good idea, it is not plausible in America with the size of stadiums that pro football teams present. In England, most stadiums range around 45,000 in capacity. In fact, there are only 3 stadiums total that have capacities above 50,000 (Wembley, 90,000, trafford, 75,000, and emirates, 60,000) Do you really think it is going to make a huge difference in the amount of violence at the stadium? Sure, you might be able to pull out some people, but in no way is it going to diminish the what goes on within the stadium Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampEm Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 This is Buffalo I just looked in the paper an apparently the whole world is dangerous, and a select few act outside the norm everywhere. You can't escape it. I saw a guy on the Metro wear a t-shirt that said "Got Weed?". After reading this thread I think he represents all metro riders. We better just stay in our houses for good where it is safe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsngibbs4life Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 I read a lot, don't post much. Anyway, I am life long 'Skins fan and have been to one game at FedEx field and I have no plans to go back soon. I watch the Skins in other cities but not D.C., the one game I went to I felt like I was the only fan in my section who wasn't totally drunk. I drink at games, but those guys and gals were totally out of control. I enjoy sitting at the house and watching the games on television much more than FedEx; FWIW, I'm a season ticket holder of a MLB club and this kind of thing never happens. Never happens? Or never happens to you? I go to MLB games all the time and have experienced the same type of behavior. I have been thrown up on, heckled, cursed at, and have had people try to fight me...all in my home teams ballpark. these types of things happen at sporting events. If you go to enough games, you are going to experience some type of lewd behavior... its just how it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsFTW Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 To stop thugs causing trouble at internatioanl games outside the UK any fan convicted of an offence involving assualt or violence has their passport conviscated during the period before and during a game or tournament so they cant leave the UK. Damn, I'm all for banning idiots from stadiums but no need to turn the country into even more of a police state over it. Take their passport away? That's fn nuts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stugein Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 There's nothing wrong with drinking, but nobody should be belligerent, stumbling, blind falling down drunk going in. I'm all for a good time and I drink my fair share, but there is a point where you need to man up, be a responsible adult, and know your limits. 1. People who are visibly intoxicated should be denied entry at the gate. 2. Concession workers should be given training to recognize when someone has had enough and the authority to cut them off. 3. Section attendants should be given the authority to recognize and escort overly intoxicated fans out before a situation devolves into one that is an impairment to other fans' safety or enjoyment of the game. Nobody should be told they can't drink. But "drink responsibly" isn't just an alcohol advertising cliché. Everyone should know their limits and police themselves so as not to get word-slurring, obscenity-yelling, fight-starting, puke-on-the-guy-in-the-row-in-front-of-you drunk. There's a difference between drinking and drinking in excess. There is nothing wrong with the former, but when it progresses to the latter and you begin infringing on both the safety and enjoyment of other fans it is no longer acceptable in any way, shape or form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B55Green Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 Can't believe all the hate for the Mayor and the DTC. Sure they heckle opposing fans, but that's all part of the game when you go into another persons home territory. How many of you complain when Capitals fans heckle Pittsburgh fans at Verizon Center? It happens all the time there, especially with this new crowd. Is that wrong? Are they "thugs?" Absolutely not. There are quite a few of us on this board who have tailgated with them / have spoken with them a lot. They are good people and just have a different view of "protecting their house" compared to others. Some fans like to sit around and be quiet when fans start chants, others, like the DTC like to boo to drown them out. The Mayor personally has helped me out many times at games and when I had questions online. I really think some of you should just stop by the tailgate and see what happens, you'd probably have an entirely different perspective than what you read from people who haven't been there, yet claim they know them / how they operate. I believe HBO did a video on them and only took out pieces to make them look like all they do is drink. Thankfully they (DTC) reordered the entire thing on their camera and you can hear the REAL answer to HBO's questions. Complete 180. Find me a DTC video online of them fighting. I'll wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampEm Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 Maybe every officer in PG County should sit in every every other seat of the stadium and hold everybody's hands. While this is going on the Maryland State Police should search every car on Arena Drive to make sure that there are no more than 3 beers for every person in each car. I think this will take care of the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbs Hog Heaven Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 This is actually quite funny to me. While it is a good idea, it is not plausible in America with the size of stadiums that pro football teams present. In England, most stadiums range around 45,000 in capacity. In fact, there are only 3 stadiums total that have capacities above 50,000 (Wembley, 90,000, trafford, 75,000, and emirates, 60,000) Do you really think it is going to make a huge difference in the amount of violence at the stadium? Sure, you might be able to pull out some people, but in no way is it going to diminish the what goes on within the stadium 4 if you include St. James' Park in Newcastle at 52K, but who's counting. That's a pretty naive view, no offence. It's totally irrelevant the size of stadium if you have both your CCTV set up throughout linking back to a main police control room monitoring all areas; and adequate training of your own staff to work in conjunction. The first hint of any trouble, and your game controller has zoomed in on it, those causing it are on camera, and your guys on the ground are directed to the exact section to deal with it. If you then have stadium regulations in place that decree any jack ass caught fighting is then banned and will lose his/her season ticket if they hold one; then how is that not a deterrent to diminish that sort of thing within the stadium? Damn, I'm all for banning idiots from stadiums but no need to turn the country into even more of a police state over it. Take their passport away? That's fn nuts! Not if your major club sides and National team play a lot of games on Continental Europe it isn't. What would you rather have in that instance? Stopping known trouble makers from dragging the Country down by causing **** abroad when their team/ National side is playing; or run the risk of them being allowed to travel to cause their **** on foreign soil with other like minded morons in other Country's? Obviously that has zero baring on NFL fans, but Martin was just throwing that out there as to the zero tolerance policy in place in England in all aspects. Hell, you guys wouldn't even let someone with a conviction for fighting at a game into the US on a vacation. Hail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9_to_42_td Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 And the best fan video award, goes tooooooooooo. jimcoaster for the 2009 fan brawl. Jim is a longtime extremeskins member and will be signing copies during the 2011 season next to Pez and his world famous wings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mayor of Fed Ex Field Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 For the people defending the DTC, and myself. Thank you. For the few that "have seen us once" or "walked by a few years ago", you are in no position to judge me, or the DTC. That being said, I love all Redskins fans. I love the ones that show the same love, and I love the ones like Newcliche21 and BostonSkinsFAn. You both are prime examples of how the the DTC has risen in popularity. Without judgmental internet personalities that have never met me, but think they know me, you are the reason we have prospered through the years. Id also like you guys that have spent all this time talking about me, and insulting me to please come to a final consensus. Either im a "white trash redneck racist" or a "wannabe gangster wigger" Choose one. 11 years the DTC has been hated, loved, spoken about, good or bad. But respect the 11 years of hard work, dedication, money and effort we put into this. I love the Redskins. I love tailgating. I love the DTC and most importantly, I love my life. There is nothing a few message board posters pointing their finger at me and my crew that will ever change that. Not in 2001, and not in 2011. While you spend time looking for articles or blogs or videos to try and defame us, just be fair and post the one that give us credit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipwhich Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 While you spend time looking for articles or blogs or videos to try and defame us, just be fair and post the one that give us credit. I watched your youtube videos last night. I haven't been to a DTC tailgate or ever met you. I thought it was good stuff. I need a DTC tailgate punch to try Keep on representing. Just don't drink on stadium drive before it's legal I hope to stop by sometime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeen80 Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 These actions are ridiculous, but the Eagles fans top them all for scum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B55Green Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Haha good ol' whiskey chug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinC Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Damn, I'm all for banning idiots from stadiums but no need to turn the country into even more of a police state over it. Take their passport away? That's fn nuts! There has been zero controversy over this in the UK. As a nation we got sick of these drunken thugs embarrassing the whole Country every time we played abroad. English teams were also banned from European competitions back in the 80's for a period which was the big wake up call. It was and is part of the zero tolerance policy and real consequences which have transformed the culture at English soccer grounds from a play ground for thugs and wannabe thugs to a place you can take your kids to watch a game in relative comfort, with decent (if extortionately expensive) food/drink and toilets you can actually get to. You don't have close to the same issues we had back in the 70's and 80's but there are clearly issues and there are steps that can be taken to make stadiums safer and more enjoyable experiences for all fans. ---------- Post added July-21st-2011 at 02:01 AM ---------- This is actually quite funny to me. While it is a good idea, it is not plausible in America with the size of stadiums that pro football teams present. In England, most stadiums range around 45,000 in capacity. In fact, there are only 3 stadiums total that have capacities above 50,000 (Wembley, 90,000, trafford, 75,000, and emirates, 60,000) Do you really think it is going to make a huge difference in the amount of violence at the stadium? Sure, you might be able to pull out some people, but in no way is it going to diminish the what goes on within the stadium Stadium size is not an issue. The CCTV run facial recognition software which pick out known trouble makers or people who have been banned. Meanwhile trained personnel scan for signs of trouble and direct security or police to flash points. It's works beautifully at the 90,000 captivity Wembley which is where the NFL games are played in London. Yes it does make a difference. Having clear and real consequences for bad behaviour that are then followed up on quickly cleaned up the game of soccer in the UK. That and treating people like human beings rather than cattle in stadium design and in stadium experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabR Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 they are obviously tanked. I blame much of that on tailgating, as the beer they sell in the stadium is 3.2 I went to games from 59-87 I saw 2 fights in my section, we sat above the visitors allotted seats. One was a big fat female colts fan who threw a beer on a skins fan then promptly started pounding his face. I still remember the score of the Skins Colts game colts 27 skins 7 They other was a Eagles fan who was drunk and pulled a pocket knife. He got hit over the head and was mobbed and disarmed. Know we lost that game, i think they scored 3 touchdowns in the final quarter to beat us We did not fight with the opposing fans we just jawed with them, we never fought with our own Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewCliche21 Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 People who are proud of themselves for inflicting pain on others because they are walking in the wrong place or wearing the wrong colors have my pity. There's a difference between heckling and assaulting. I hope that people learn not to cross that gap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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