No Excuses Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 Rebuilding involves 2 parts, tearing down, building up. We have torn down. Don't ask me, ask Leonsis, or better yet see it with your own eyes.Meanwhile next year is the real start of the rebuild. Next year you can expect results. This year enjoy our trip to the lottery. Here's a secret, they've been building up. Even the damn owner acknowledges this. I'm done with you. You get my point but you are too prideful to admit that you're wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsfan07 Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 actually the worst team in basketball is the Pistons. lol but we are pretty bad too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipwhich Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 Sometimes its good to just admit you were wrong and move on, this is a good time for you to do so. Rebuilding involves 2 parts, tearing down, building up. We have torn down. Don't ask me, ask Leonsis, or better yet see it with your own eyes. Meanwhile next year is the real start of the rebuild. Next year you can expect results. This year enjoy our trip to the lottery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Bait Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 Ernie has actually drafted extremely well when you get down to it.NY and Javale were bargains at the point they were drafted and Wall, Booker, Seraphin was a terrific haul. Singleton, Vesley, Mack was another great draft considering where we picked. Contrary to what we think Wall was not a no-brainer pick. There was significant support for taking Evan Turner on this very forum. EG could have easily screwed that up. I think the jury is still out on NY or JaVale being long term starters for the team. I will agree that they weren't bad picks, but they are hardly great choices. Wall was a no brainer....although I like Booker, he hasn't proved he was worth the two picks we traded to get him. Seraphin looks like garbage to me; he could end up being good in the future, but I'm not seeing it. Singleton looks like a good pick up....i'll give you that one. Can't say anything for Velsey or Mack....they haven't even played a year yet. You really can't judge any of the picks from this year till several years down the road. And he's made some brilliant trades. Flipping Kirk Hinrich and Hilton Armstrong for Mo Evans, cap relief, Jordan Crawford, and a first round pick? Stunning. Pawning Gilbert Arenas off on a division rival for Rashard Lewis? Unbelievable. How the hell did we manage that? The Hinrich trade was excilent, but I think the Arenas for Lewis trade was just one team trading their garbage for another team's garbage. We came out slightly better in that deal. I'm not a big Ernie hater, but this team has been awful for a long time; I don't think we can give him a whole lot of credit. ---------- Post added December-31st-2011 at 12:59 PM ---------- lots of Wall chatter on this bard. For the record. I think Wall will be a superstar in this league. He'll be the consensus best PG in the league within two years and some will regard him as a top 5 player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiCkSoULjA Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 I am not ready too call Wall a bust but what of Oklahoma City offer us Russel Westbrook for John Wall straight up? I think i take that deal in a heart beat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Excuses Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 (edited) I would never make that trade and this bust talk is ridiculous. How do you think Russell Westbrook will play when Kevin Durant is replaced by Andray Blatche and Chris Singleton? Get a grip people, he averaged 16, 8 and 4 over his rookie campaign. That didn't happen because he's not good. My problem with him so far is his attitude. I'm not liking the fact that he seems completely disinterested the moment something goes wrong. He's behaving like post gun gate Arenas, except he's probably irritated about playing with crappy and stupid teammates. That is still no excuse for not giving effort on defense. ---------- Post added December-31st-2011 at 01:51 PM ---------- I can watch a crappy team, but I can't watch a crappy team that plays with zero effort. This is not good for the development of this team or to keep the fan base interested. Edited December 31, 2011 by No Excuses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Bait Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 I am not ready too call Wall a bust but what of Oklahoma City offer us Russel Westbrook for John Wall straight up? I think i take that deal in a heart beat. no way. Westbrook is a nice player, but he is also a bit overrated. I don't think there is a single player in this league I'd trade wall for. Like I've said before, I see him as a future top 3 player in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Bait Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 I'd trade Wall for:Durant, Howard, Rose, and Lebron. That's pretty much it. I would definitely trade Wall for Durrant; wouldn't for Rose or Howard. Obviously I would for basketball reasons for LeBron...but I hate the guy, so I'm going to say no to that as well. Wall is still on a rookie contract and opens up possibilities for us to bring impact guys in 2012 and 2013, Howard and Rose would negate that ability to bring in free agents (cap space) and I think Wall will be better than Rose once he reaches his potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 I'd trade Wall for: Durant, Howard, Rose, and Lebron. That's pretty much it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 (edited) Lets clarify a few things. 1- When you say "draft" what you are saying is 2015. Draft picks may look good early but they don't seem to get it together to the point where results match talent until about year 3 and later. 2 - The above applies to John Wall as well so calm down. Hard to develop a pass first freshmen point guard on a team with no quality scoring options. 3 - Draft alone is not going to work because that extends the timeline too far out, and thats assuming you find a star as opposed to a Shane Battier or OJ Mayo that are good but not great. This team is going to need to trade and sign real NBA caliber players. Take a look at our backups: Turiaf Seraphin Singleton Crawford Mack One inefficient scorer and four guys with no offensive game to speak of. Of the starters we have one scoring threat, Young, and he's not a 20+ threat. That my friends is not an NBA team that has a chance to win. If we are going to win with 11-19 ppg players we need a lot of them and they have to be more efficient than Wall and Blatche. We need them starting and off the bench. Ted is going to have to spend some money. Hustle and defense is nice but this is the NBA and scoring in the 80s even with good defense is likely a slow death. Edited December 31, 2011 by Destino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillUnknown Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 Lets clarify a few things.1- When you say "draft" what you are saying is 2015. Draft picks may look good early but they don't seem to get it together to the point where results match talent until about year 3 and later. 2 - The above applies to John Wall as well so calm down. Hard to develop a pass first freshmen point guard on a team with no quality scoring options. 3 - Draft alone is not going to work because that extends the timeline too far out, and thats assuming you find a star as opposed to a Shane Battier or OJ Mayo that are good but not great. This team is going to need to trade and sign real NBA caliber players. Take a look at our backups: Turiaf Seraphin Singleton Crawford Mack One inefficient scorer and four guys with no offensive game to speak of. Of the starters we have one scoring threat, Young, and he's not a 20+ threat. That my friends is not an NBA team that has a chance to win. If we are going to win with 11-19 ppg players we need a lot of them and they have to be more efficient than Wall and Blatche. We need them starting and off the bench. Ted is going to have to spend some money. Hustle and defense is nice but this is the NBA and scoring in the 80s even with good defense is likely a slow death. I agree with 100%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shuler74 Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 You dont need a team with a bunch of offensive weapons or big names, you just need players that get it, and this team other than wall ,shelvin, singleton, mason jr don't get it. What I mean by get it, I mean players that take their jobs serious, players that would be pissed off with how many wins they had last year, players that HATE to lose, players that treat their job in a professional manner, players who are completely focused in practice, warmups before games etc. Veteran , rookie, free agents, I dont care just bring in players that get it and ship out all the other losers.I have been following this team for a very long time and would rather have the mediocre teams of the late 80's that never reached the playoffs then these bunch of clowns, and thats what exactly they are clowns at least the team in the late 80's played with heart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillUnknown Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 MKG had 24pts & 19rebs against Louisville today. The Unibrow had 18pts, 10rebs, 6blocks, 3 steals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 (edited) I would definitely trade Wall for Durrant; wouldn't for Rose or Howard. Obviously I would for basketball reasons for LeBron...but I hate the guy, so I'm going to say no to that as well.Wall is still on a rookie contract and opens up possibilities for us to bring impact guys in 2012 and 2013, Howard and Rose would negate that ability to bring in free agents (cap space) and I think Wall will be better than Rose once he reaches his potential. You're either high or the biggest Wizards homer I've ever seen. Edited December 31, 2011 by Heisenberg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 You dont need a team with a bunch of offensive weapons or big names In the NBA if you want to win, you do. There is no way around that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shuler74 Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 to win a tille yes, to win no, I said you dont need a bunch. A good player with some pieces around him that want it will win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 to win a tille yes, to win no, I said you dont need a bunch. A good player with some pieces around him that want it will win. What's the point if the ultimate goal isn't to win a title? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiCkSoULjA Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 What's the point if the ultimate goal isn't to win a title? Too have a respectable product, I loved watching Gilbert with the Wizards even if we was getting kicked out the first or second round of the playoffs its much better than watching a sucky team play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93 Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Too have a respectable product, I loved watching Gilbert with the Wizards even if we was getting kicked out the first or second round of the playoffs its much better than watching a sucky team play. um...i hated losing to LeB***** every year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skin'emAlive Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 um...i hated losing to LeB***** every year Damn straight. Those losses hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiCkSoULjA Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 The loses suck but gave us hope and a good product too look forward too each year besides we almost beat them one series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsoe Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Gilbert at his prime could put up 60 points. We weren't far from a championship. Those days are gone with the new CBA unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93 Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 we play Boston tonight...maybe win #1??? (please God) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillUnknown Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Vesely still out. ---------- Post added January-1st-2012 at 06:33 PM ---------- @sam_amick Sam Amick Shocking Kings statement released regarding DeMarcus Cousins, who was sent home from the team's home game against New Orleans tonight. @sam_amick Sam Amick Kings coach Paul Westphal says Cousins demanded to be traded: "When a player continually, aggressively, lets it be known that he is... @sam_amick Sam Amick Westphal: "...unwilling/unable to embrace traveling in the same direction as his team, it cannot be ignored indefinitely." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillUnknown Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 Wow..releasing a 1st round pick..jeezThat dude was a knucklehead anyway and no, the Wiz don't need to add another bafoon to the rotation Its going to come up since him & Wall are close. I only deal for him if it gets Blatche off the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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