Zguy28 Posted March 29, 2010 Share Posted March 29, 2010 Preacher is fined for homophobia http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/scotland/Preacher-is-fined-for-homophobia.6186156.jp Published Date: 28 March 2010 By Alastair Dalton A STREET preacher has prompted concerns over religious freedom in Scotland after being fined £1,000 for telling passers-by in Glasgow city centre that homosexuals deserved the "wrath of God" and would go to hell. Shawn Holes admitted breaching the peace earlier this month by "uttering homophobic remarks" that were "aggravated by religious prejudice". The American Baptist, who was touring Britain with colleagues, was arrested by police while responding to questions from people in Sauchiehall Street on 18 March. Holes, 47, from New York State, when asked his views on gay people, said: "Homosexuals are deserving of the wrath of God – and so are all other sinners – and they are going to a place called hell." He said later: "There were homosexuals listening – around six or eight of them – who were kissing each other and cuddling, and asking 'What do you think of this?' "It felt like a set-up by gay campaigners. When asked directly about homosexuality, I told them homosexuals risked the wrath of God unless they accepted Christ." Full Article at link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teller Posted March 29, 2010 Share Posted March 29, 2010 Wow. Note to self, don't go to Scotland. I'm usually tempted to answer when people ask me a question too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostofSparta Posted March 29, 2010 Share Posted March 29, 2010 I've always thought it was a good thing that we have the freedoms of religion and speech guaranteed in writing in our founding document. This would not stand over here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RansomthePasserby Posted March 29, 2010 Share Posted March 29, 2010 Yeah, looks like a setup. He should have bee like "you know what I think, but I really gotta go. Adios." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zguy28 Posted March 29, 2010 Author Share Posted March 29, 2010 Yeah, looks like a setup. He should have bee like "you know what I think, but I really gotta go. Adios."Or hand them the bible and say "here, read it out loud to the crowd". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popeman38 Posted March 29, 2010 Share Posted March 29, 2010 And yet half of America strives to be more European.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted March 29, 2010 Share Posted March 29, 2010 Haha,, his name is Holes ~Butthead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted March 29, 2010 Share Posted March 29, 2010 England is not America....with that said preachers should be mindful of the laws when they preach, and if they decide to go against those laws then they should be willing to accept the consequences. Personally, preach about Jesus Christ lift Him up and you can't go wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimmySmith Posted March 29, 2010 Share Posted March 29, 2010 I wonder what he said. What was in the story was hardly homophobic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RansomthePasserby Posted March 29, 2010 Share Posted March 29, 2010 Or hand them the bible and say "here, read it out loud to the crowd". Yes. Although, as a technical point, I don't see how this is really hate speech... he didn't say people should ridicule/disrespect/physically harm gays or anything like that. All he said was it's his opinion that homosexuals are going to hell, along with all other sinners (meaning everyone else in the world), unless they accept Christ. So, it's basically wrong to say gays are like everyone else? Weird law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zguy28 Posted March 29, 2010 Author Share Posted March 29, 2010 England is not America....Nobody claimed it was. :whoknows:with that said preachers should be mindful of the laws when they preach, and if they decide to go against those laws then they should be willing to accept the consequences. Personally, preach about Jesus Christ lift Him up and you can't go wrong.What did Jesus do, who did he do it for, and why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOLASKINSFAN Posted March 29, 2010 Share Posted March 29, 2010 England is not America....with that said preachers should be mindful of the laws when they preach, and if they decide to go against those laws then they should be willing to accept the consequences. Personally, preach about Jesus Christ lift Him up and you can't go wrong. I would agree with that as per Rom. 13, however when the government makes reading/quoting the Bible illeagal then we have problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins24 Posted March 29, 2010 Share Posted March 29, 2010 I'm thinking he probably would have won in court if he had the time to stay and fight..... Seems the law is unclear more from article: ... Gordon Macdonald, of Christian Action Research and Education for Scotland, said: "This is a concerning case. I will be writing to Chief Constable Stephen House of Strathclyde Police for clarification of the guidance given to police officers in these situations." The Roman Catholic Church, which backed stiffer "hate crime" penalties, said the fine seemed to criminalise anyone who repeated a widely held conviction. Peter Kearney, its spokesman, said: "We supported this legislation but it is very difficult to see how this man can be charged for expressing a religious conviction. "The facts of this case show his statement was clearly his religious belief. "Yes, it is strong language he has used, but it is obviously a religious conviction and not a form of discrimination." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mooka Posted March 29, 2010 Share Posted March 29, 2010 I'm thinking he probably would have won in court if he had the time to stay and fight.....Seems the law is unclear I think he was charged for breaching the peace and the "hate crime" made the fine more severe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickalino Posted March 29, 2010 Share Posted March 29, 2010 Preacher is fined for homophobia Technically, that's not accurate. He apparently showed no signs of fear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryman of the North Posted March 29, 2010 Share Posted March 29, 2010 Haha,, his name is Holes~Butthead huhuh huhuh you said holes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerPacker Posted March 29, 2010 Share Posted March 29, 2010 Technically, that's not accurate.He apparently showed no signs of fear. anything attack gays is defined as "homophobia" for some reason. its just a label. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACW Posted March 29, 2010 Share Posted March 29, 2010 I disagree with the preacher. I think the law's even worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerPacker Posted March 29, 2010 Share Posted March 29, 2010 I disagree with the preacher.I think the law's even worse. glad we don't live in Europe, huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RansomthePasserby Posted March 29, 2010 Share Posted March 29, 2010 huhuh huhuh you said holes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corcaigh Posted March 29, 2010 Share Posted March 29, 2010 By pleading guilty he's really screwed the locals who want to preach on the street. Essentially he has admitted that his views on homosexuality are "homophobic" and "aggravated by religious prejudice". But street preachers are not uncommon in Northern Ireland and Scotland. He must have had a particularly aggressive tone to result in police arrest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teller Posted March 29, 2010 Share Posted March 29, 2010 At the race in Pocono last year, I was berated by a street preacher who lambasted me for "worshipping NASCAR." True story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOLASKINSFAN Posted March 29, 2010 Share Posted March 29, 2010 At the race in Pocono last year, I was berated by a street preacher who lambasted me for "worshipping NASCAR." True story. "Where Kyle Busch sucks and the Caps can't lose; a little place called "Heaven" " Your sig, jus' sayin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jflow78 Posted March 29, 2010 Share Posted March 29, 2010 At the race in Pocono last year, I was berated by a street preacher who lambasted me for "worshipping NASCAR." True story. Now THAT is funny. Did you bring a goat and a clever with you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickalino Posted March 29, 2010 Share Posted March 29, 2010 At the race in Pocono last year, I was berated by a street preacher who lambasted me for "worshipping NASCAR." True story. Same thing happened to me at last year's Super Bowl. Some loony was riding around on a bicycle with a megaphone screaming out how we were all going to a devil-worshipping game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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