Veretax Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 didn't he have a massive hit on a punt coverage too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Prime Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 oh boy, another year of inconsistent punting WTF Frost did great last year.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufus T Firefly Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 Heck I wouldn't be surprised to see a mil salary with a 3 mil bonus, That would save us around 3.5 mil In that scenario, when we're looking for a new back-up QB next offseason (very likely), we'll have to burn $5 mil+ in dead cap on Brunell. Would have been so much smarter to find the new back-up now and move on from Brunell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pungopal Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 Frost is fine. Better worry about the place kicker position. As for MB, he is already earning his $$$ by tutoring Campbell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
da#1skinsfan Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 Theres not many better veteran backups out there than MB. If he takes a cut he will always have a spot on this team....at least for another year or two. Glad Frost got tendered...he was showing signs of a real strong leg...just a couple clutch kicks he blew. Lets hope he continues ot improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Day Posted February 27, 2007 Author Share Posted February 27, 2007 Quote: Originally Posted by D-Day Heck I wouldn't be surprised to see a mil salary with a 3 mil bonus, That would save us around 3.5 mil In that scenario, when we're looking for a new back-up QB next offseason (very likely), we'll have to burn $5 mil+ in dead cap on Brunell. Would have been so much smarter to find the new back-up now and move on from Brunell. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ I know, read the bold Italics. JG likes MB and appreciates his contributions. I have and will always question JG's ability to make a hard tough decision. Hence I think that MB will take a paycut but he will not be "disrespected" enough to be told to take a cut down to what he is worth. I think he should take a pay cut down to 1 mil Salary with maybe a mil as a thank you gesture. Tell him take it or pack up your locker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregpeck99 Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 My hope is that the Skins will bite the bullet and make Brunell a June 1st cut before June 1st under the new rules. Frosty is good value at the Punter slot ... he seems to me to be getting more proficient each year and very good holder for the PK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hokieskins1 Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 sounds good... i like mb as a backup..... i like what i have seen from frost last year, good news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darc Requiem Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 Frost is fine. Better worry about the place kicker position. As for MB, he is already earning his $$$ by tutoring Campbell. Suisham actually did pretty well IMO. I'm sure the coaching staff will bring in some competition for him, but I wouldn't have a problem with him being our kicker. He only missed one kick for us and that was a 50 yarder if I remember correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Edds Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 There's no way MB is taking a pay cut. Why give back money when it could be his last chance to make NFL money. It's probably just restructuring the contract to save cap room. yeah way ... what other teams around the league are looking for a 37 year old QB right now? There are plenty of young backups out there. Brunell will take a paycut, or we would have cut him. His value is what it is, the skins know how much that is, and Brunell knows how much that is ... on the open market. He 'd be lucky to be someone's 3rd QB on another team. In this scenario, he knows our offense, and (worst case) should Campbell go down with an injury ... the skins provide the best chance for Brunell to ever see the field again. This will be his last year in the league, and I believe he would rather spend it in a system he is somewhat conmfortable with, and with a team he is comfortable with ... and can reamin a #2 QB. At this point it is not about the money, he got his 8 million signing bonus with us when he came here. Everythign else is icing on the cake. I appreicate what he did for our team, though I would have liked to seen us try to develop Ramsey a bit more. He's a classy guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Day Posted February 27, 2007 Author Share Posted February 27, 2007 I am not down on MB as a backup qb, he knows the offense and more importantly the receivers. Remember guys he was hurt last year as well and he played rather well the one week where he didn't throw until like Friday. He will get plenty of rest this year and should be healthy and strong if called upon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowhunter Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 Agreed, we need to keep Mb. There are 3 types of backup QB's 1) The young bucks competing for playing time (you get these via draft or trade, if you trade for them they can be pricey and offer little to the development your starter except more competition) 2) The never was. These are failed experiments (ie Todd Collins?) After 4+ years in the league they've shown that they don't quite have "it." You get what you pay for. Offer little to development of the team except insurance. 3) the Has been. Once was a starter but has aged. Usually ego and money don't let you keep him for long before retirement. Can bring leadership and aid in the development of his replacement if he has character. We have a young QB at the helm now, which of the above choices is the obvious fit? Forget your hater motives and admit we need MB to stay another year at reduced salary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernie5 Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 Funny: I thought Frost was good last year. Ray Guy? No. Good, though. We'd be foolish to let him go without an established replacement. Same with Brunell, by the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worstSeat Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 As long as this pay-cut is an actual pay-cut, and doesn't involve the amount "returned" in guaranteed money down the line, then I am OK with it. He better be forfeiting a lot of $$$ or I'd rather see him cut outright. How can it be anything but a paycut? And from Brunell's position, it's a lot better than nothing, which is how much *extra* money he'd get if he were cut. The original signing bonus is done. Money's in Brunell's pocket. All that matters now is how it gets counted against cap space, right? I'm not sure if that signing bonus' penalty can be changed, but my impression is that if Brunell restructures -- that is, takes less money than his initial contract said he'd get for this year, but lots more money than what he'd get if he were cut -- the initial signing bonus would continue to count off at $X per year rather than have the years remaining on Brunell's contract hit the Skins all at once. Make sense? Brunell's worth more to the Skins than any other team b/c, by signing him, they don't get an accelerated cap hit from the bonus. The Skins are also worth more to Brunell than any other team because they'll pay him to stick around and partially dodge the hit of cutting him. Nobody else has that incentive. Win-win, if you don't mind Brunell as the Skins' #2. Neither Gibbs nor I do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vipers24 Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 good news so far...brunell will be a good back-up...you need to look at the garbage out there, young guys who couldn't make it as a starter(Feeley, Griese, Weinke,etc)...at least brunell has proven he can win and just as important doesn't throw alot of int..i didn't have any problems with frost last year, he was much better than in 05'...now on to the important business- Dockery and the 31st ranked defense in the league.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 Personally, if the price is right I believe Brunell can be a very serviceable backup for the next couple years. When rested and healthy, I think he can step in and play very well for a game or two. We're obviously at risk if JC goes down for a long time...but many teams are in the same boat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. S Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 i would rather sign up Frost now, he won't ask for much. If he does well next year, which I think he will being young and about to enter his prime, he will leave via free agency cause no punter is worth much money and Frost will want more money. Sign him up now for 5-6 years or something for a 5 million contract total. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewCliche21 Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 Umm, I don't get all of the Frost bashing now. For the first nine games or so, he was awful. For the last few games he was great. Only the last sentence matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjfootballer Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 frost is good, nobody gives the guy credit. most of his punts were solid, plus he plays with passion. I agree. He only shanked a few compared to his first year (and all punters shank some now and then), his Average went up, his pooch punts were getting downed and he does show good passion (see St. Louis game). I'm satisfied with him a Suisham as our kickers going into TC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC girl Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 It better be a paycut, if it is just an pay later thing then our FO has completely lost it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsOrlando Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 I actually thought Frost played ok last year. Whats with all the hate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morneblade Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 He was kinda shakey early on I thought, but he looked more consistent down the stretch. I know his average wasnt great, but he did land alot of balls inside the 20 and kept them from going into the endzone. I'm pretty happy with his play, especially the 2nd half of the season. You didnt hear anything about him then, which was a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sknsrbck26 Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 Frost played fine last year....and Brunell is really going to help us (a first) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peregrine Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 About whats expected, no suprirse there. But Frost is not good. If he was he wouldnt be CONSISTENTLY at the bottom of the NFL. Even with a "strong" finish last season... Unfortunately hes all we have. Last year, 21st in Punting average. The year before, 28th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illone Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 As long as this pay-cut is an actual pay-cut, and doesn't involve the amount "returned" in guaranteed money down the line, then I am OK with it. He better be forfeiting a lot of $$$ or I'd rather see him cut outright. I certainly hope the same. It's no mystery that Brunell's open market value right now is vet backup pay (minimum). he can either stay here for a pay reduction or try the open market and get squat. He already got 8 mil up front, what else could be possibly want besides playing time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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