Cut-Down Day

[Malapropismic Depository]

1 minute ago, JSSkinz said:

New Orleans Saints

 

WR Michael Floyd, WR Brandon Tate

 

Both of those guys are coming off 2 straight seasons of virtually zero production.

I don't think we're gonna see a WR cut, that is of such quality, that he's worth taking the place of one of our guys.

[VaK9Trainer]

4 minutes ago, JSSkinz said:

New Orleans Saints

 

WR Michael Floyd, WR Brandon Tate

 

If they can't flourish with Drew Brees throwing them the ball, then why would anyone think they are any good? 

[Malapropismic Depository]

Come on guys. Focus on RB, Guard, Safety, Developmental QB, maybe a FB

I mentioned this cut from Carolina, in the RB thread, as a possible backup RB, pending workouts, etc.

 

Kenjon Barner

[JSSkinz]

2 minutes ago, VaK9Trainer said:

 

If they can't flourish with Drew Brees throwing them the ball, then why would anyone think they are any good? 

I don't know

[SWFLSkins]

3 hours ago, ExoDus84 said:

 

Counterpoint: Coaches have seen both in every OTA, workout, meeting, training camp practice, and every snap on game day. If they keep one over the other, I'm sure they have a good reason.

 

Coaches may know more about football than us fans.

 

That has no merit, I mean were unpaid professionals that can clearly see what the paid guys can't.

[Malapropismic Depository]

3 hours ago, ExoDus84 said:

 

Coaches may know more about football than us fans. 

 

That would be awesome to hold up a sign/banner that said that, as a fan at an NFL game.

To me it would be funny, with the irony and dry humor.....however...

He'd probably get beat up by the fans around him though, lol

[kingdaddy]

27 minutes ago, Malapropismic Depository said:

Come on guys. Focus on RB, Guard, Safety, Developmental QB, maybe a FB

I mentioned this cut from Carolina, in the RB thread, as a possible backup RB, pending workouts, etc.

 

Kenjon Barner

Barner is a career NFL scrub.

[Malapropismic Depository]

1 minute ago, kingdaddy said:

Barner is a career NFL scrub.

 

Perhaps, but is he better than Kelley and Perine, is the question.

Probably a moot point anyhow, because we're bound to see a better RB if we stay tuned until the end of cuts.

[dyst]

3 hours ago, ExoDus84 said:

 

Counterpoint: Coaches have seen both in every OTA, workout, meeting, training camp practice, and every snap on game day. If they keep one over the other, I'm sure they have a good reason.

 

Coaches may know more about football than us fans.

These coaches? 

[kleese]

Not sure people ever stop and do the math on this thing. By tomorrow at 4pm, there will be approx 1,185 players released and available to sign wherever they want. 

 

For thise 1,185 players in theory there will be zero roster spots available leagewide as every team will be down to their max. 

 

Read that again: 1,185. Of those, only a VERY tiny fraction are likely to draw enough interest from teams that would be willing to cut someone that just made the team in favor of adding one of the 1,185. Now sure, it will happen— SOMEONE (or maybe even a handful of someone’s) will get cut and wind up on an active roster week one. But we are talking way less than 1% most likely. 

 

Of the 1,185 somewhere around 350 will be able to land jobs on practice squads— the majority of those coming from teams they played for in pre season for obvious reasons. 

 

This notion that teams will be scrambling to find gems released by other teams just doesn’t really hold any water. 

 

As attirtion sets in and injuries or ineffectiveness mounts then some opportunities will gradually begin opening for guys— especially veterans who have some experience. But this is a numbers game that most certainly does not favor the guys getting bad news over the next several hours. 

[Malapropismic Depository]

1 minute ago, kleese said:

This notion that teams will be scrambling to find gems released by other teams just doesn’t really hold any water. 

 

 

I think it does.

Just look at our own team, and certain positions have log-jams such that we are bound to cut someone we'd really like to fit back in and keep, and hence, some other team must feel the same, and the only difference is that they have room for him.

That's all it takes is for one team to have a logjam or a surplus at one position, while another team, for whatever reasons, ended up with a deficit at that position, due to injuries, etc. And I'm sure that process gets repeated numerous times.

[Jericho]

10 minutes ago, Malapropismic Depository said:

 

I think it does.

Just look at our own team, and certain positions have log-jams such that we are bound to cut someone we'd really like to fit back in and keep, and hence, some other team must feel the same, and the only difference is that they have room for him.

That's all it takes is for one team to have a logjam or a surplus at one position, while another team, for whatever reasons, ended up with a deficit at that position, due to injuries, etc. And I'm sure that process gets repeated numerous times.

 

Agreed. I'm not saying teams are super successful at it. But there are a number of guys that got cut early in their careers and then turned into Pro Bowlers like James Harrison and Wes Welker. And while that's an extreme long shot to find someone that good, finding a viable player is for more probable. It's still a crap-shoot. But everyone's looking and checking

[JaxJoe]

Some young OL from past drafts I liked have been cut. Jon Toth, Avery Gennesey, Adam Bisnowaty. I guess they weren’t as good as I thought. 

[kleese]

23 minutes ago, Malapropismic Depository said:

 

I think it does.

Just look at our own team, and certain positions have log-jams such that we are bound to cut someone we'd really like to fit back in and keep, and hence, some other team must feel the same, and the only difference is that they have room for him.

That's all it takes is for one team to have a logjam or a surplus at one position, while another team, for whatever reasons, ended up with a deficit at that position, due to injuries, etc. And I'm sure that process gets repeated numerous times.

 

Thats the thing though, teams WON’T have room for anyone. In order to add, they will need to subtract someone they just decided was deserving of making their team. 

[Malapropismic Depository]

1 minute ago, kleese said:

 

 In order to add, they will need to subtract someone they just decided was deserving of making their team. 

 

And those subtractions happen often.

[kleese]

Just now, Malapropismic Depository said:

 

And those subtractions happen often.

 

Do they though? I’d like to see some numbers on that. I’ll stick with my less than 1% statement. I can’t think of many guys added to Redskins roster for week one after they made cuts and PS signings. 

[Jericho]

7 minutes ago, kleese said:

 

Thats the thing though, teams WON’T have room for anyone. In order to add, they will need to subtract someone they just decided was deserving of making their team. 

 

52 players were claimed on waivers in the NFL last September, 47 of which were claimed before Week 1. So yeah, teams are claiming guys. The vast majority right after cut down day. Waiver claims by date (cut down day was 9/2, meaning the first wave cleared on 9/3)

 

9/27 - 1 player

9/20 - 1 player

9/19 - 1 player

9/14 - 1 player

9/13 - 1 player

9/10 was Week 1

9/8 - 1 player

9/6 - 1 player

9/4 - 3 players

9/3 - 42 players

 

http://www.nfl.com/transactions?transactionMonth=9&transactionYear=2017&transactionTeamAbbr=

3 minutes ago, kleese said:

 

Do they though? I’d like to see some numbers on that. I’ll stick with my less than 1% statement. I can’t think of many guys added to Redskins roster for week one after they made cuts and PS signings. 

 

T.J. Clemmings was claimed just last year. Duke Ihenacho in 2014

[kleese]

21 minutes ago, Jericho said:

 

52 players were claimed on waivers in the NFL last September, 47 of which were claimed before Week 1. So yeah, teams are claiming guys. The vast majority right after cut down day. Waiver claims by date (cut down day was 9/2, meaning the first wave cleared on 9/3)

 

9/27 - 1 player

9/20 - 1 player

9/19 - 1 player

9/14 - 1 player

9/13 - 1 player

9/10 was Week 1

9/8 - 1 player

9/6 - 1 player

9/4 - 3 players

9/3 - 42 players

 

http://www.nfl.com/transactions?transactionMonth=9&transactionYear=2017&transactionTeamAbbr=

 

T.J. Clemmings was claimed just last year. Duke Ihenacho in 2014

 

Good numbers, based on my estimation of how many guys get cut... looks like around 3% of cut players get picked up after cut day; I was thinking around 1% or less. 

 

Is there anyway to know of those 42 how many actually made the active roster week 1... meaning not one of the 6 or more inactive guys but actually suited up? 

[Sandy Monk]

2 hours ago, skinsfan212689 said:

Sean Harlow Guard released from Falcons. 

 

Not good at zone blocking

 

thoughts  

 

perked my ears up, just on draft memory and positional need

 

if they give a look, cool.

[Morneblade]

39 minutes ago, Sandy Monk said:

 

perked my ears up, just on draft memory and positional need

 

if they give a look, cool.

 

Not sure if he is big enough for what we want to do. But I'd love to find a couple guys for the OL

[Veryoldschool]

I agree with the other posters about looking for guards.  I want to see them hold on to Quinn and Hogan.  Quinn should be active and Hogan on the PS if eligible, I like the guy.  On the running backs, Perrine has dropped the ball too many times so he is the one to go.

[sjinhan]

Tampa Bay cut Charles Sims... I thought he had some talent but anyone know what happened to him?  Why is he getting cut?

[Jericho]

9 minutes ago, sjinhan said:

Tampa Bay cut Charles Sims... I thought he had some talent but anyone know what happened to him?  Why is he getting cut?

 

(1) injured; and (2) he was a free agent this season and no one wanted him before he re-signed in Tampa. So the league doesn't hold him in that high regard. But he's probably a decent player when healthy

[Wildbunny]

5 hours ago, kleese said:

Not sure people ever stop and do the math on this thing. By tomorrow at 4pm, there will be approx 1,185 players released and available to sign wherever they want. 

 

For thise 1,185 players in theory there will be zero roster spots available leagewide as every team will be down to their max. 

 

Read that again: 1,185. Of those, only a VERY tiny fraction are likely to draw enough interest from teams that would be willing to cut someone that just made the team in favor of adding one of the 1,185. Now sure, it will happen— SOMEONE (or maybe even a handful of someone’s) will get cut and wind up on an active roster week one. But we are talking way less than 1% most likely. 

 

Of the 1,185 somewhere around 350 will be able to land jobs on practice squads— the majority of those coming from teams they played for in pre season for obvious reasons. 

 

This notion that teams will be scrambling to find gems released by other teams just doesn’t really hold any water. 

 

As attirtion sets in and injuries or ineffectiveness mounts then some opportunities will gradually begin opening for guys— especially veterans who have some experience. But this is a numbers game that most certainly does not favor the guys getting bad news over the next several hours. 

 

Teams have 90 man roster.

Trimming it to 53.

 

37 guys will get cut.

32 Teams

= 1184 players exactly.

 

Practice squad spot: 10

Teams: sill 32.

= 320 Practice squad spots.

 

So that was just to make your theory exact, since I second that theory. Coaches and fans always fear that our preseasons and training camp wonders are not gonna clear waivers, but that's true for almost every team.  Some guys will get signed to the team (like Stefan McClure like year) only to get cut a few days after because w'll sign X or Y vets that got cut elsewhere... Our 53 will be stable come monday or tuesday, but hardly before.

[OVCChairman]

11 hours ago, Malapropismic Depository said:

 

Could you edit the first post with each cut, for an ongoing list in that one place.

It would make it a lot easier for people, than sifting through the thread, for a complete update.

That's the plan... was gonna limit it to just redskins cuts tho