Riggo-toni Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 Since some on this board apparently are not feeling suicidal enough... Disclaimer -a few of the guys I can't remember if they went in the 6th or 7th. But, from drafts and trades, we've spent: 6 1st rounders 3 2nd rounders 3 3rd rounder 4 4th rounders 2 6ths and 3 7ths With those 21 picks we've landed: Brad Johnson 1,2,3 Patrick Ramsey 1 Jason Campbell 1,3,4 RG3 1,1,1,2 (and two of those firsts were top 5 picks) Mark Brunell 3 McNabb 2nd and 4th Sage Rosenfels 4 Kirk Cousins 4 Todd Husak 6 Colt Brennan 6th (might've been a 7th) Danny Waffle 7 Jordan Palmer 7 Gibran Hamdan 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 I'm actually okay with this. Because if we'd kept the picks, we would have wasted them on no talent clowns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodriggo Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 RG3 <-> 1,1, 2 Counting the 1 they swapped with STL and subsequently used on RG3 is a little skewed no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsHokieFan Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 Holy good grief Only if we had managed to re-sign Trent Green Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted September 26, 2014 Author Share Posted September 26, 2014 RG3 <-> 1,1, 2 Counting the 1 they swapped with STL and subsequently used on RG3 is a little skewed no? No it's not. We used first rounders in 2012 2013 and 2014 and a 2nd in 2012. That's 3 firsts. If we don't count the 1st in 2012, tell me who we drafted. It's not like we were gonna forfeit the #5 pick if we didn't make that trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodriggo Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 No it's not. We used first rounders in 2012 2013 and 2014 and a 2nd in 2012. That's 3 firsts. If we don't count the 1st in 2012, tell me who we drafted. It's not like we were gonna forfeit the #5 pick if we didn't make that trade. In terms of value I don't think it's relevant. He was the 2012 first rounder, we didn't give up that year's first we swapped it. Swapped it for a better 1st round pick too. In hindsight it was a mistake but an understandable one. The talent on the board WAS such that you could have taken what you needed without losing so much but EVERY team in the league fails badly at some point in the draft, it just happens. The Skins are legendary at this tho, I will admit. BUT it's easy to do this from a 30,000 ft. view. Plus people throw around "Russell Wilson" like he would have been the same guy here as he is in Seattle, he most definitely would not have been. Look at RG3....he was a scrambling, slinging supernova of talent and charisma and in less than three years he's a hobbled, broken down, "pocket passer in training" who gets chided for any play he makes with his feet even if it's a positive. If Wilson had come in a 3rd round pick he would have sat behind Rex ******* Grossman until beyond the mid way point of 2012....no division championship that year. Shanahan might still be their head coach and they'd probably be going into this year in all or nothing mode with God knows what. Wilson probably would have gotten injured playing on that old bath mat they call a field too. Even assuming the team had the balls to NOT make a move for RG3 there is NO WAY, NO WAY in hell they don't go Tannehill, Weeden, or Osweiler in the second round. They don't wait around until the 3rd for Wilson. The RG3 trade has failed, of that I'm clear but in the history of draft day boners this doesn't even make my list. It was the right move, the right time and it partly worked. It was too ephemeral to justify the long term value of 1st round talent but still, that division championship WAS sweet. That run in OT against Minnesota was awesome. If he'd stayed healthy maybe it would have paid off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaRonDontLikeUgly Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 There is only one QB on this roster worth a damn draft pick… The Real McCoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justice98 Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 I still think Patrick Ramsey could've been halfway decent in a better situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZRagone Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 Jason Campbell 1,3,4 RG3 1,1,1,2 (and two of those firsts were top 5 picks) Either Campbell needs to be 1,1,3,4 (if you're counting the pick that they were selected with) OR Griffin needs to be 1,1,2 (if you're only counting the picks they essentially gave up) Which in retrospect....WOW. Thinking of draft picks like golf, where a lower number is better... Griffin costed us 5, Campbell costed us 8. If we over paid for Griffin (a reasonable thought) then we got taken in by a ponzi scheme for Campbell. Jesus. Also, we can't forget 2nd and 4th round picks for old Donny McGroundBall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mursilis Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 Danny Waffle 7 I don't remember trading a pick for Danny Weurfel. I thought he was a free agent signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted September 26, 2014 Author Share Posted September 26, 2014 We traded a conditional 7th to the Texans for Waffle. (Casserly got him in the expansion draft). How is this concept so difficult for some of you to grasp: we used our 1st rounders in 3 straight years to get RG3. That's 3 first rounders. We traded the next year's 1st rounder and fourth along with the current year's 3rd for Jason Campbell (we used our own 1st rounder on Carlos Rodgers). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
National Defense Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 Yes, not paying trent green his asking price (i think is was a modest 4 mil a year for 4 years) sent us down a very different path of chasing aging, inappropriate QBs ( jeff george anyone?) every 2 seasons didn't brunnell cost us a #3 pick as well? ahh-vinny--such fond memories Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted September 26, 2014 Author Share Posted September 26, 2014 Yes, not paying trent green his asking price (i think is was a modest 4 mil a year for 4 years) sent us down a very different path of chasing aging, inappropriate QBs ( jeff george anyone?) every 2 seasons didn't brunnell cost us a #3 pick as well? ahh-vinny--such fond memories Damn, you're right! Forgot that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brokenstriker Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 Brad Johnson was good ... even so ... this is severely depressing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kleese Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 Brad Johnson was good ... even so ... this is severely depressing He was good for about 3/4 of a season. He faded in 1999 and was awful in our playoff loss at TB. In 2000 he stunk... Should have been benched much sooner in favor of Jeff George. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexa Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 And then Johnson went on to win a SB w/ Tampa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brokenstriker Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 And then Johnson went on to win a SB w/ Tampa. zactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skins4eva Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 I'm actually okay with this. Because if we'd kept the picks, we would have wasted them on no talent clowns. You mean like Malcomb Kelly and Devon Thomas and Fred "Sleepy" Davis? Wait a minute... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtown Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 its a qb league. I will take a shot at a franchise qb every year because if you hit on that guy once, you have a 15 year window to win a championship. here is my cavaet. If you don't give him an oline, wr, a rb and a offensive coordinator for multiple years to build some chemistry with then you will never know you have a franchise qb. Manning as a rook had faulk, harrison, and tarik glenn. you need to give your young qb a line to protect and weapons he can use. Thats where we messed up with rg3. We never gave him a line. he should have sat his rookie year and learned the position as we built up the line and the talent around him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theTruthTeller Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 In terms of value I don't think it's relevant. He was the 2012 first rounder, we didn't give up that year's first we swapped it. Swapped it for a better 1st round pick too. I hate arguing this over and over again. Before we drafted RG3 we had possession of our 2011, 2012 and 2013 first round choices, and our 2011 second round choice. After we drafted RG3 we had possession of none of those draft choices. If we didn't use those draft choices on RG3, please let me know who we did use them on. They had to be used to get someone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abdcskins Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 We traded a 1st, 3rd, and 4th round pick to move up to draft Jason Campbell? Good god. I remember us drafting him, but thought that may have just been our first rounder. But I believe we got Carlos Rogers in the same drat. Too lazy to look it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufus T Firefly Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 In terms of value I don't think it's relevant. He was the 2012 first rounder, we didn't give up that year's first we swapped it. Swapped it for a better 1st round pick too. Here we go with this again. If you draft a player in the 1st round, he cost a 1st round pick. That's the criteria the OP is using for every QB on that list, so there is no reason to not count one of the 1s that Griffin cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodriggo Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 I hate arguing this over and over again. Before we drafted RG3 we had possession of our 2011, 2012 and 2013 first round choices, and our 2011 second round choice. After we drafted RG3 we had possession of none of those draft choices. If we didn't use those draft choices on RG3, please let me know who we did use them on. They had to be used to get someone. U mean 2012, 2013, & 2014? Again the pick in 2012 was for RG3 it doesn't count against him b/c St.Louis gave us theirs, we used that pick on him. We gave up 2 1sts and a 2nd, we USED the 2012 first rounder. Here we go with this again. If you draft a player in the 1st round, he cost a 1st round pick. That's the criteria the OP is using for every QB on that list, so there is no reason to not count one of the 1s that Griffin cost. Yeah, ok I'll let it die. Semantics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted September 27, 2014 Author Share Posted September 27, 2014 its a qb league. I will take a shot at a franchise qb every year because if you hit on that guy once, you have a 15 year window to win I don't necessarily disagree with you, but is there any other team in the league that has used 6 first rounders on QBs in the last 15 years (not tto mention all the 2nd 3rd and 4ths)? Cincy had Akili Smith and Carson Palmer for 2 top 5s and Dalton with a 2nd. Closest example I could come up with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipwhich Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 Holy good grief Only if we had managed to re-sign Trent Green Many of the youngins on this board don't know not signing Trent Green was the beginning of the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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