Conn Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 4 minutes ago, ClaytoAli said: Cousins couldnât do that đ Not to take anything at all away from Howell today but just responding to this postâCousins has done that many times in the last decade, especially in his Vikings years lol. He has his flaws and doesnât seem to have the clutch gene when it matters most, but heâs had a ton of similarly dramatic and amazing 4th quarter comebacks. Not to mention we lost the game, so that Howell drive doesnât even count towards that. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BatteredFanSyndrome Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 Bottom line with the Terry call, you have to go with the call on the field. Â But the call on the field should have been catch and the Eagles should have been mad that it wasnât enough to overturn. Â 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 2 minutes ago, Renegade7 said:  And got the ball again versus losing right then and there...  You're throwing around High Risk / High Reward like its lower risk then what we did right now... Someone already posted the stats, it is not high risk high reward itâs actually the higher percentage play. Itâs riskier to go to OT in that situation, not safer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 12 minutes ago, tomwvr said: We may end up 5-2 and then end up 5-6  I'm sorry, am I the only one getting notifications for the beat down Dallas is giving the Patriots right now?  New England isn't that far away from looking like a team in need of a rebuild and getting a high pick to start it off. And if there's any team in the division as bad or worse then us, its the Giants now.  I said 9-8 beginning of the season, I'm buying the whole thing collapses the way you suggesting it might. But even the Rams and Jets are looking mad beatable right now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 2 minutes ago, redskinss said: I'm still waiting for the day when a small receiver goes up for a catch and a linebacker catches him and runs him out of bounds. Would that be considered a catch because the linebacker has possession of the receiver and gets two feet in? I've always wondered what the call would be if that happened. lol, would be a sight to see. But the WR would never have established possession, given he never touched the field before going out. Itâs a funny visual but itâs no different than pushing a guy out of bounds on the sideline while heâs in the air (after the ball is in his hands), functionally. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunfer Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 11 minutes ago, Conn said: He does? Weâve started slow every year he was running things and until this season played undisciplined, penalty-happy football for multiple years under Rivera. Thereâs no doubt his players like him but I donât really see any evidence that he has a special talent for getting a team ready to play. I donât think Ron could lose a locker room which is what I was responding to. Doesnât mean they wouldnât understand if he got replaced 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSSkinz Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 The Pats desperately need some of that Belichick genius to show up, it's been 4 years now, where did it go? Did something happen 4 years ago?đ¤ 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 1 minute ago, Conn said: Someone already posted the stats, it is not high risk high reward itâs actually the higher percentage play. Itâs riskier to go to OT in that situation, not safer.  Ok, I'll look for that, it really does not feel that way, heat of the moment, and I have a lot of questions on the teams that do that and how good they are versus the teams that fail and how bad they are in situations like that.  So many factors, is that all taken into account when putting all the numbers on the table to decide what to do?  I was not confident our defense could stop them in OT, where's the math in regards to get the ball first (there's a lot of pages in this thread and I got the kids with me now, even throwing it to me and saying "I told you so" I could live with if I read it and agree you're right, I don't like it, but I'm not a HC, nor am I in the locker room after that game) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 The Dallas defense is dominating even with Parsons out of the game since the first quarter. Must be nice.  Khalil Mack has 6 sacks today! Unreal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Washington Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 I still donât think our wideouts are  doing enough. Iâm not faulting Terry for the last incompletion either.  I enjoyed the effort! Build on it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 1 minute ago, JSSkinz said: The Pats desperately need some of that Belichick genius to show up, it's been 4 years now, where did it go? Did something happen 4 years ago?𤠠In all fairness, its the same thing every franchise goes through that doesn't immediately replace their HOF QB with another one when they leave or retire.  Even franchises we've considered the cream of the crop the last 10-20 years look just as bad as anyone else without one.  Bill deserves blame for not at least getting one that's not a bust...but then I feel bad for Tomlin...  What does this say about Kyle Shanahan to go to two Super Bowls without one? He gets a lot of crap for not sealing the deal in either one, but it's hard to in that game without one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goskins10 Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 2 minutes ago, redskinss said: I'm still waiting for the day when a small receiver goes up for a catch and a linebacker catches him and runs him out of bounds. Would that be considered a catch because the linebacker has possession of the receiver and gets two feet in? I've always wondered what the call would be if that happened.  That was a rule change. It used to be they could call the defender ran the player out of bounds and call it a catch. Now, the defender can ridde them out and it's no catch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSSkinz Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 2 minutes ago, Renegade7 said: What does this say about Kyle Shanahan to go to two Super Bowls without one? He gets a lot of crap for not sealing the deal in either one, but it's hard to in that game without one. I would say Shanny looks like the genius out of those 3 because he continues to field a dominant team even though he's never had a real stud at QB.  The jab I took at Bill has more to do with the media, I know Bill has probably never referred to himself as a genius but a genius should be able to figure it out in a couple of years which is why they're called a genius. If you can't figure it out within 4 years then you're just like every other mediocre coach (Ron Rivera) in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hogs86 Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 13 minutes ago, Conn said: lol, would be a sight to see. But the WR would never have established possession, given he never touched the field before going out. Itâs a funny visual but itâs no different than pushing a guy out of bounds on the sideline while heâs in the air (after the ball is in his hands), functionally. If a player, who is in possession of the ball, is held up and carried out of bounds by an opponent before both feet or any part of his body other than his hands touches the ground inbounds, it is a completed or intercepted pass. It is not necessary for the player to maintain control of the ball when he lands out of bounds. RULE 8 SECTION 1 ARTICLES 3-4 https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/nfl-video-rulebook/completing-a-catch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsFTW Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 6 minutes ago, Renegade7 said:  What does this say about Kyle Shanahan to go to two Super Bowls without one? He gets a lot of crap for not sealing the deal in either one, but it's hard to in that game without one. Matt Ryan was league MVP so I'm not sure if he counts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo#44 Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 Sorry, the Eagles look like a paper tiger. They needed OT to beat us at home. Needed 4 turnovers to beat Kirk Cousins in prime time. Beat the Patriots by 5, who are not good. Â This team has a reality check coming against SF, BUF, MIA, among others. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rook Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 3 minutes ago, Hogs86 said: If a player, who is in possession of the ball, is held up and carried out of bounds by an opponent before both feet or any part of his body other than his hands touches the ground inbounds, it is a completed or intercepted pass. It is not necessary for the player to maintain control of the ball when he lands out of bounds. RULE 8 SECTION 1 ARTICLES 3-4 https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/nfl-video-rulebook/completing-a-catch  Wow. It could be said the defender's arm held him up and it "carried" Terry's foot out of bound.   3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice_of_Reason Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 1 hour ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said: I wanted to go for 2, but if he says they were gassed - I have to take him at his word.  Ok but he should have kept his damn mouth shut and not said anything about them being gassed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsFTW Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 Just now, Voice_of_Reason said: Ok but he should have kept his damn mouth shut and not said anything about them being gassed They were so gassed that he chose to take the ball and expect them to drive the field instead of just run 1 play.  Makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rook Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 I thought a golden rule for end of game two-point conversions was "PLAY FOR THE WIN ON THE ROAD AND THE TIE AT HOME!" Â Â Â Â The Rook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Hogs86 said: If a player, who is in possession of the ball, is held up and carried out of bounds by an opponent before both feet or any part of his body other than his hands touches the ground inbounds, it is a completed or intercepted pass. It is not necessary for the player to maintain control of the ball when he lands out of bounds. RULE 8 SECTION 1 ARTICLES 3-4 https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/nfl-video-rulebook/completing-a-catch Edit: hmm I may have been incorrect on that actually, editing it. So âholding upâ someone is different than just pushing them, that makes sense I guess Edited October 1, 2023 by Conn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJL Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 24 minutes ago, Conn said: lol, would be a sight to see. But the WR would never have established possession, given he never touched the field before going out. Itâs a funny visual but itâs no different than pushing a guy out of bounds on the sideline while heâs in the air (after the ball is in his hands), functionally.  if it actually happened it might lead to the restoration of the push out rule, though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice_of_Reason Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 1 minute ago, SkinsFTW said: They were so gassed that he chose to take the ball and expect them to drive the field instead of just run 1 play.  Makes sense. The sideline at the Linc has rejuvenating qualities, donât you know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClaytoAli Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 29 minutes ago, Conn said: Not to take anything at all away from Howell today but just responding to this postâCousins has done that many times in the last decade, especially in his Vikings years lol. He has his flaws and doesnât seem to have the clutch gene when it matters most, but heâs had a ton of similarly dramatic and amazing 4th quarter comebacks. Not to mention we lost the game, so that Howell drive doesnât even count towards that. Sorry that upset the cult of cousins 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJL Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 Just now, Voice_of_Reason said: The sideline at the Linc has rejuvenating qualities, donât you know? he had the timeout before the play, the gathering together for the coin toss, the commercial break and the kickoff That's at least three or four minutes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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