Sam's Club: The Legend of Samuel Howell Thread

[KDawg]

3 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said:

I'll give a nod here to @Est.1974 on this point.  I wanted Brissett.  He was fearful that a player of his caliber wouldn't make it easy for Howell so wasn't sure it was the right player.  It's not that my mind has changed on this much but it has changed a little.  I still think Howell wins the job but the more I've absorbed Brissett, the more I can envision a tough QB camp battle.   Not because I am not high on Howell. 

 

I am jazzed about his potential.  But listening to the description of Brissett as a personality, I got little doubt that he will be a locker room rockstar and wonder how that dynamic plays out?

 

I liked Howell before the draft.  Not to the extent of @KDawg and @Koolblue13 who have been pumped that we got the next Mahomes.  But will see.

 

Brissett is the dude I wanted, #1 guy I wanted as a backup.  So I am happy about this QB room. 

 

I like the signing from the context of Howell in that I think he will provide him with a real push.   Heinicke IMO wasn't a real push.  But Brissett I think will bring out Howell's best.

 

The more I've absorbed Brissett post the signing, listening to Browns reporters, the only thing I fear from Howell's stand point is while I knew that Brissett wss a good locker room guy, charasmatic guy -- I didn't know he was so off the charts on that count, including being a really funny dude, teammates love him and I'd say the description on that front sounds even a peg higher than "redacted". 

 

They dug his play too, it wasn't just his personality but the personality descriptions were off the charts. lol, i was listening to Hoffman for example talk to a reporter that he personally knew from the past talk about Brissett, that dude gushed, and then Hoffman goes that reporter is so cynical typically about sports that if Brissett got to him, then take it seriously. 

 

I was listening to a national draft geek recently reference one of the current QB prospects, and he goes the dude is really quiet, but not like Sam Howell level quiet.  Howell I recall coming out of the draft's personality was billed depending on who was talking about him, quiet, I recall a scout saying strange but not bad strange.  None of it was bad but he definitely wasn't build up as a gregaraious leader type of personality.  His old offensive coordinator said, not a leader type off the field but he leads by example on it.   Quiet but likeable,   

 

Now none of that struck me a big deal beforehand,  Whle liking the player, I did comment on the personality aspect of him when describing Howell before that draft.  And you don't have to be an extrovert to play the spot see Justin Herbert for example.  But it might be a little relevant now juxtaposed against supposedlly a QB with a ton of personality, extroverted, who can actualy play.  That is, if Brissett has a big camp.   If he doesn't its irrelevant.

 

Keim-and Bram talked yesterday that if one QB can outplay the other sometimes it causes strife in the locker room so they wondered how the Brissett dynamic would work i that happened.

 

But they both agreed it would make Howell earn the job and that's a good thing.  I agree.  Howell is a smart dude and has a reputation of working hard.  So giving him a bit of a fight in camp I think will bring out his best and he will likely win the job. 

 

Listening to Rivera explain further his take about the QB situatiion, he didn't say this is Howell's job.  He basically said he's the lead dog coming into camp.  It's his job to lose.  But it seems like its open that he can be beat.   I suspect though Howell will win the job and for Brissett to beat him, he would need to distinctly outplay him.

 

I see the laughy face but to put it out there: I don't think he's the next Mahomes. I think he's Sam Howitzer, though, and can develop into our franchise guy based on his college career and our very small professional sample size.

 

I can certainly still miss on him. But I think he can be, at least, a mid-tier NFL starter with a higher upside. 

[wit33]

2 hours ago, KDawg said:

 

I see the laughy face but to put it out there: I don't think he's the next Mahomes. I think he's Sam Howitzer, though, and can develop into our franchise guy based on his college career and our very small professional sample size.

 

I can certainly still miss on him. But I think he can be, at least, a mid-tier NFL starter with a higher upside. 

Competence is all Washington needs. Over/under 7.5 rushing TDs if he starts all 17 games?

 

Im envisioning him being used like Josh Allen inside the 10 yard line. Boom, red zone offense instantly becomes top half of the league and competing with the 70% pool of competent QBs. 
 

You seem pretty dialed in on him. I’m seeing special type runner, similar to like a Tampa Bay Steve Young. Your thoughts? 

[Skinsinparadise]

2 hours ago, KDawg said:

 

I see the laughy face but to put it out there: I don't think he's the next Mahomes. I think he's Sam Howitzer, though, and can develop into our franchise guy based on his college career and our very small professional sample size.

 

I can certainly still miss on him. But I think he can be, at least, a mid-tier NFL starter with a higher upside. 

 

The laughy face was complete as it looked, me joking. 

 

I agree I think he can be a mid-tier starter or better.  In that sort of 10-15 range give or take. 

[SoCalSkins]

1 hour ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

The laughy face was complete as it looked, me joking. 

 

I agree I think he can be a mid-tier starter or better.  In that sort of 10-15 range give or take. 

The problem with that is you have to move on from him after the first contract. There are so many teams willing to overpay for a qb in the 10-15 range that his % of the cap allocation will be far higher than he deserves and you can’t surround him with enough talent to get past the elite level teams in the playoffs.
 

The hierarchy from ideal scenario to worst is a franchise qb on rookie contract, followed by franchise qb on vet deal, then 10-15 tier qb on rookie deal, then 24-32 qb on prove it vet deal, then 10-15 qb on vet deal and finally a franchise qb on a guaranteed deal suffering a catastrophic injury.  
 

 

Edited March 20, 2023 by SoCalSkins

[MartinC]

Just now, SoCalSkins said:

The problem with that is you have to move on from him after the first contract.

 

The problem is teams don't move on from a 10-15 type guy. Its really hard to find someone even at that level so when you have it you tend to stick with him and hope to build enough around him you can win that way. Seldom works out.

 

See Jones, Daniel.

[SoCalSkins]

Just now, MartinC said:

 

The problem is teams don't move on from a 10-15 type guy. Its really hard to find someone even at that level so when you have it you tend to stick with him and hope to build enough around him you can win that way. Seldom works out.

 

See Jones, Daniel.

Exactly. It’s great on the rookie deal then it sucks but no team moves on so you are stuck and aren’t actively pursuing replacements. The cycle repeats a few times and next thing you know it’s 30 years later and the only super bowls you can watch with your team are still on vhs. 

[redskinss]

4 minutes ago, SoCalSkins said:

Exactly. It’s great on the rookie deal then it sucks but no team moves on so you are stuck and aren’t actively pursuing replacements. The cycle repeats a few times and next thing you know it’s 30 years later and the only super bowls you can watch with your team are still on vhs. 

It's definitely a conundrum. 

We did it with cousins but it doesn't happen very often.

It does feel like teams are trying to solve that problem now though.

[Stefanskins]

Don't forget about me!!! I wanted him too!!! 

 

Posted April 30, 2022 (edited)

you know what?  First time in 40 years that i didnt know that it was draft day...let alone, the months leading up to draft day...i literally had checked out of the NFL and The Redskins...not outta animosity or to make a point...i must have legitimately not cared...for the first time in my memory...if this team picks Sam Howell (long shot), these mofos may just have me again...unbelievable...HTTR

[Bifflog]

On 3/19/2023 at 3:22 AM, NFC Beast1987 said:

I was trying to tell people this during the season. He's a video game glitch. I'm a UNC fan and Sam just about gave us a heart attack every game never sliding and challenging LB's head on but he just kind of slowly keeps gaining yards while he bounces off massive dude after massive dude. It was bizarre to watch honestly... Hard to explain but just watch this video and you will see what I mean.  

 

 

What did I even just watch?  I think he's already shown that he knows he can't pull off the pin-ball **** in the league, but everything else about how he runs looks awesome to me?  Like an anti-RG3 in a way, in that I like his angles and his little movements he makes that cause guys to misjudge where to meet him.

[KDawg]

2 hours ago, SoCalSkins said:

The problem with that is you have to move on from him after the first contract. There are so many teams willing to overpay for a qb in the 10-15 range that his % of the cap allocation will be far higher than he deserves and you can’t surround him with enough talent to get past the elite level teams in the playoffs.
 

The hierarchy from ideal scenario to worst is a franchise qb on rookie contract, followed by franchise qb on vet deal, then 10-15 tier qb on rookie deal, then 24-32 qb on prove it vet deal, then 10-15 qb on vet deal and finally a franchise qb on a guaranteed deal suffering a catastrophic injury.  
 

 

 

2 hours ago, MartinC said:

 

The problem is teams don't move on from a 10-15 type guy. Its really hard to find someone even at that level so when you have it you tend to stick with him and hope to build enough around him you can win that way. Seldom works out.

 

See Jones, Daniel.

The problem is that we haven’t had anyone even remotely decent since Cousins and we are already worried about moving on from him. 
 

Oh no, we have a top 10-15 guy we have to figure out what to do with… what ever shall we do?!

4 hours ago, wit33 said:

Competence is all Washington needs. Over/under 7.5 rushing TDs if he starts all 17 games?

 

Im envisioning him being used like Josh Allen inside the 10 yard line. Boom, red zone offense instantly becomes top half of the league and competing with the 70% pool of competent QBs. 
 

You seem pretty dialed in on him. I’m seeing special type runner, similar to like a Tampa Bay Steve Young. Your thoughts? 

I don’t think he’s exactly Josh Allen. Different kind of player. He can run. Very well. But he’s not fast and he won’t be hurdling or running through a lot of guys. But he’s excellent when it comes to center of gravity and he has an uncanny ability to “bounce” off defenders for extra yards. He’s also a very smart runner.

 

I don’t know that I’d say special as a runner. But underrated and solid.

 

I think where he will make his money is actually passing the ball. He’s pretty good at it. But his running is good, too.

[Est.1974]

Brissett is starter material for us. If Howell is able to win the job, he will have had to have had a great offseason and camp, and in doing so will have managed to pull Rivera away from that seemingly default position of caution he has. 
 

I can see the line being strung already that Brissett has picked up EBs philosophy and approach quicker etc etc etc.

 

That said, we’ve got a QB room I’m fairly positive about right now. I’m not bothered with in one wins the job now that they are both contracted here.

[illone]

On 3/18/2023 at 9:39 AM, mistertim said:

 

The Harem of Howell?

 

😂

 

does that make me a whore if I signup?

On 3/18/2023 at 12:51 PM, NewCliche21 said:

 

I was iffy on Howell until I saw Sam's Club, now I'm sold.

 

It doesnt take much!

 

😎

[MartinC]

10 minutes ago, KDawg said:

 

The problem is that we haven’t had anyone even remotely decent since Cousins and we are already worried about moving on from him. 
 

Oh no, we have a top 10-15 guy we have to figure out what to do with… what ever shall we do?!

 

 

When you don't have a car anything with wheels is a step up. If you have a 5 year old family sedan a new version of that model is a step up. If you have a new family sedan getting into a nice coupe or SUV is an improvement. From there maybe its about the move from a Mustang to 911 or a Ford Explorer to a Range Rover etc etc.

 

Point being you are 100% right that at this moment having a top 10-15 guy would be a BIG step up for this organization. But once you have THAT guy you start wanting to have him develop into a top 10 guy, or try to find a way to get that guy. No one is looking for a top 10-15 guy - its just that most roads lead to that - or worse.

 

[illone]

3 minutes ago, Est.1974 said:

Brissett is starter material for us. If Howell is able to win the job, he will have had to have had a great offseason and camp, and in doing so will have managed to pull Rivera away from that seemingly default position of caution he has. 
 

I can see the line being strung already that Brissett has picked up EBs philosophy and approach quicker etc etc etc.

 

That said, we’ve got a QB room I’m fairly positive about right now. I’m not bothered with in one wins the job now that they are both contracted here.

 

If this team had Brissett last year they’d have made the playoffs, so I tend to agree with you here. 

[KDawg]

6 minutes ago, MartinC said:

 

When you don't have a car anything with wheels is a step up. If you have a 5 year old family sedan a new version of that model is a step up. If you have a new family sedan getting into a nice coupe or SUV is an improvement. From there maybe its about the move from a Mustang to 911 or a Ford Explorer to a Range Rover etc etc.

 

Point being you are 100% right that at this moment having a top 10-15 guy would be a BIG step up for this organization. But once you have THAT guy you start wanting to have him develop into a top 10 guy, or try to find a way to get that guy. No one is looking for a top 10-15 guy - its just that most roads lead to that - or worse.

 

I don’t disagree with the thought. But you have to have the car before you can worry about flipping it.

[MartinC]

9 minutes ago, KDawg said:

I don’t disagree with the thought. But you have to have the car before you can worry about flipping it.

 

Yep. Its kind of Maslow's hierarchy of needs.

[SoCalSkins]

29 minutes ago, Est.1974 said:

Brissett is starter material for us. If Howell is able to win the job, he will have had to have had a great offseason and camp, and in doing so will have managed to pull Rivera away from that seemingly default position of caution he has. 
 

I can see the line being strung already that Brissett has picked up EBs philosophy and approach quicker etc etc etc.

 

That said, we’ve got a QB room I’m fairly positive about right now. I’m not bothered with in one wins the job now that they are both contracted here.

EB is old school and EB obviously likes to eat. I don’t think he’s going to understand Howell’s diet. Brissett doesn’t look like a guy turning down a cheeseburger or steak. If they are neck and neck I think EB goes with the gut he can trust. 😂 

[RabidFan]

1 hour ago, Bifflog said:

 

What did I even just watch?  I think he's already shown that he knows he can't pull off the pin-ball **** in the league, but everything else about how he runs looks awesome to me?  Like an anti-RG3 in a way, in that I like his angles and his little movements he makes that cause guys to misjudge where to meet him.

 

Fun video.  Kinda reminds me of a faster, stouter, and possibly more elusive TH.  On that classic TH run in the playoff loss to TB and he escaped and dove for a TD at the pylon, I remember a tweet from Mahomes saying just "Bro...What????" as he was shocked and impressed.

 

I think Sam can get some of those same reactions if he gets out of the pocket next year, just needs to make sure to protect himself more (unlike TH stopping running this year) but that will be aided by coaching and his acceptance of it.

 

[bowhunter]

1 hour ago, illone said:

 

does that make me a whore if I signup?
 

 

Well, if you're gonna do it, do it right. Be like Sam and Ho-well

[wit33]

19 minutes ago, KDawg said:

 

Oh no, we have a top 10-15 guy we have to figure out what to do with… what ever shall we do?!

I think it has become this dichotomy in some instances. 

 

19 minutes ago, KDawg said:

I don’t think he’s exactly Josh Allen. Different kind of player. He can run. Very well. But he’s not fast and he won’t be hurdling or running through a lot of guys. But he’s excellent when it comes to center of gravity and he has an uncanny ability to “bounce” off defenders for extra yards. He’s also a very smart runner.

 

Not sure what EBs background is with using QB designed runs, but I’m all in on being aggressive using Howell inside the 10. My number is 7 rushing TDS. 

 

19 minutes ago, KDawg said:

 

I don’t know that I’d say special as a runner. But underrated and solid.

 

I envision it being special inside the 10 and consistently helpful in other areas of the field. 30 plus first down runs on the season would be great! 
 

19 minutes ago, KDawg said:

 

I think where he will make his money is actually passing the ball. He’s pretty good at it. But his running is good, too.

Early on his running will be huge. Admittedly, I dont have a strong position on his throwing ability just yet. 

[tmandoug1]

Brissett would have taken us to the playoffs this year.....not sure how someone comes up with that tidbit. His 5th team in 7 years..........all of those other coaches must be idiots not to see his potential. Hope is the greatest feeling of all. Howell needs to play 21 games straight. I do not want to see Brissett unless Howell gets hurt....

[srtman04]

45 minutes ago, tmandoug1 said:

Brissett would have taken us to the playoffs this year.....not sure how someone comes up with that tidbit. His 5th team in 7 years..........all of those other coaches must be idiots not to see his potential. Hope is the greatest feeling of all. Howell needs to play 21 games straight. I do not want to see Brissett unless Howell gets hurt....

 

45 minutes ago, tmandoug1 said:

Brissett would have taken us to the playoffs this year.....not sure how someone comes up with that tidbit. His 5th team in 7 years..........all of those other coaches must be idiots not to see his potential. Hope is the greatest feeling of all. Howell needs to play 21 games straight. I do not want to see Brissett unless Howell gets hurt....

 

Finally, some sound logic here.   Howell is the guy we need to get the reps,  we need to find out what he has and give him a fair shot.  

[shemp nixon]

7 hours ago, illone said:

 

If this team had Brissett last year they’d have made the playoffs, so I tend to agree with you here. 

I think people are overrating Brissett. He's a solid game manager, but  Howell's ceiling is much higher.

[woodpecker]

11 hours ago, tmandoug1 said:

Brissett would have taken us to the playoffs this year.....not sure how someone comes up with that tidbit. His 5th team in 7 years..........all of those other coaches must be idiots not to see his potential. Hope is the greatest feeling of all. Howell needs to play 21 games straight. I do not want to see Brissett unless Howell gets hurt....

Well they only came up a game short. With terrible QB play, while JB was at least mediocre. Not a stretch at all to say they would’ve made the playoffs. That doesn’t mean he’s Joe Montana or anything.

[NoCalMike]

JB isn't a franchise QB.  A franchise QB is what the organization is after and what has been ever so elusive for the last 25 seasons.  If JB beats Howell out for the starting job in 2023, it more than likely means Howell is looking at solid QB2 as his future and the team will be drafting a QB next offseason.