88Comrade2000 Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 (edited) Beau expects Disney to sue and win. If Disney doesn't win ; he suggests they just leave Florida. Obviously not right away but make plans to leave to the state. Should they leave and where would they go? Edited April 18, 2023 by 88Comrade2000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 (edited) And go where? Disneyland is already in California, wouldn't make sense to put it in New Mexico or Arizona, and rest of the sunbelt is flirting with becoming a GOP dystopia jus like Florida. I've been to DisneyWorld, it's huge, picking it up and moving it somewhere else, even Georgia (who might be getting their **** together if they elect Abrams) isn't realistic. Anywhere north of the Carolinas makes it seasonal because of the winters there. That's why both their major American theme parks are in Cali and Florida in the first place. Edited April 25, 2022 by Renegade7 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 (edited) Why overturn something that saves you 160mil a year in taxes and allows you to forgo 1billion in debt? 😆 I would think Florida would benefit more from overturning this disaster of a new policy. Edited April 25, 2022 by The Evil Genius 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Nonsense Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 (edited) Lol…I have a hard time believing they’re going to tear everything down and move. Florida isn’t THAT stupid. They’ll work something out. Edited April 25, 2022 by No Nonsense 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCB Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, No Nonsense said: Florida isn’t THAT stupid. Um . . . 1 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Nonsense Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 1 minute ago, JCB said: Um . . . Florida has had its moments, but they’re not going to lose that kind of money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbear Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 (edited) I have a hard time disagreeing. I think most of the biggest companies are probably already aware of the timelines upon which they travel. If you take the 10 biggest companies at any point and then look at the odds they will still be amongst the top 10 a decade later, the odds are not good. If you look at the top 10 businesses from Fortune in 2000, 2010 and 2020 only Exxon and Walmart are there for all three. The big companies have to find a way to brand themselves in a way that allows for continuous growth. I note Disney is not on the top 10 list in any of them, but I only bring it up to show how hard it is to stay in business for decades. Here are the three top ten lists I mentioned above: 2020 2010 2000 Walmart Walmart General Motors Amazon Exxon Wal-Mart Apple Chevron Exxon Mobil CVS GE Ford Motor United Health Group Bank of America General Electric Berkshire Hathaway Conoco Phillips Intl. Business Machines Mckesson AT&T Citigroup AmerisourceBergen Ford Motor AT&T Alphabet J.P. Morgan Altria Group Exxon Mobil Hewlett Packard Boeing Now look at how many of these, the very biggest of U.S. companies, are no longer with us or are a shell of what they once were. If companies like Disney aren't thinking of what they will look like in a decade, the odds grow longer for them being around in a decade. I suspect the ability to mold the areas around Disney has been a huge reason for their success in marketing Disney World through the decades. I wouldn't be surprised if they take this attack on them and their branding very seriously, assuming they are as long term market savy as they seem to be. Edited April 25, 2022 by gbear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, The Evil Genius said: Why overturn something that saves you 160mil a year in taxes and allows you to forgo 1billion in debt? 😆 I would think Florida would benefit more from overturning this disaster of a new policy. Right? Florida has no state income taxes, that's a lot of money lost on top of the cost of moving DisneyWorld out of Florida. Edited April 25, 2022 by Renegade7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 2 points: Number 1, Disney is a business managed by business people and has a duty to its shareholders. It espouses inclusive views because they are good for Disney's business. If Florida holds different views, Disney is not going to cause significant damage to its business prospects to take a moral stand. Number 2, DeSantis is dying to have this fight. Disney shouldn't give it to him. It should say that it said it's piece on this topic, will continue to be as inclusive as possible, cut off all donations to GOP politicians nationwide, and then move on. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 I've had those thoughts. About Disney moving. And yeah, I think it's a fantasy. Among other things, I suspect they can just buy the state government for a lot less money. But I will say that one idea (fantasy?) that's occurred to me, as a possible Disney location? Puerto Rico. I know. It would suffer hugely from all the people who think it's a foreign country. But ...... Warm weather. Piles of cheap labor. I assume Disney could purchase huge areas of oceanfront property. A lot cheaper than anywhere else. The remote location might give Disney leverage over the transportation that people take, back and forth. It might allow Disney to more monopolize the traveler's time. Pretty sure the PR government would crawl for miles on their bellies to attract a business that would probably pump tens of millions a day of "outside money" into the pockets of local workers. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 17 minutes ago, PleaseBlitz said: 2 points: Number 1, Disney is a business managed by business people and has a duty to its shareholders. It espouses inclusive views because they are good for Disney's business. If Florida holds different views, Disney is not going to cause significant damage to its business prospects to take a moral stand. Number 2, DeSantis is dying to have this fight. Disney shouldn't give it to him. It should say that it said it's piece on this topic, will continue to be as inclusive as possible, cut off all donations to GOP politicians nationwide, and then move on. Yeah, it would not hurt me a bit if Disney simply decides that the cheapest response is simply to turn Florida blue. Unfortunately, they will probably decide that it's cheaper yet, to simply have it become "Nazis who know better than to **** with big corporations." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 (edited) I know so little about the business they’re in, much less her specific situation, to know whether they could move or whether it would be worth it. There are other places to go. That’s for sure. They are the attraction - no one swings by Disney because they wanted to go to florida. Plenty of people go to florida cause they wanted to go there - we just did - but the people that go to Disney wanted to go to Disney. They picked florida cause it made more sense than Europe or California for them (although my understanding is flying across the country to California is the smarter play…) So I’m sure they could find another place to setup shop. no idea what that costs or what they’d lose etc. im guessing Disney has a longer view of things than centering incredibly important decisions based on whichever idiot is currently in charge. Edited April 25, 2022 by tshile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spjunkies Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 (edited) Yeah, come to Maryland next to the casino or FedEX. Global warming will give us the Florida climate in 15-20 years so it works out well for everyone. Edited April 25, 2022 by spjunkies 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Wiggles Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 4 minutes ago, tshile said: (although my understanding is flying across the country to California is the smarter play…) Whys that? I've been to both multiple times but not since I was 15. Thought disney world was the better of the two. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosher Ham Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 41 minutes ago, Renegade7 said: Right? Florida has no state income taxes, that's a lot of money lost on top of the cost of moving DisneyLand out if Florida. DisneyLand is in California, DisneyWorld is in Florida. I knew what you meant though. 2 minutes ago, Captain Wiggles said: Whys that? I've been to both multiple times but not since I was 15. Thought disney world was the better of the two. Indeed, they aren't even close. Six flags and Universal are better than DisneyLand. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Wiggles Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 I remember Six Flags Great America and Universal Hollywood being pretty awesome as a kid. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 12 minutes ago, Captain Wiggles said: Whys that? I've been to both multiple times but not since I was 15. Thought disney world was the better of the two. Well, I’ve never been to California but the people I know that have been to both said the fact that it’s centralized makes it significantly easier to do anything/everything 🤷♂️ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CousinsCowgirl84 Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 No. Cap Ex on all the attractions is too much. Also from what I understand this makes all infrastructure upkeep costs shift to the state/localities. Seems like it is something Desantis did without really understanding the consequences of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosher Ham Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 10 minutes ago, Captain Wiggles said: I remember Six Flags Great America and Universal Hollywood being pretty awesome as a kid. It's Magic Mountain/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Nonsense Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 42 minutes ago, tshile said: They picked florida cause it made more sense than Europe or California for them (although my understanding is flying across the country to California is the smarter play…) So I’m sure they could find another place to setup shop. Could you elaborate on that 1st point? How is flying across country to a lesser park a smart play for people that live a lot closer to Disney World? And I don’t think setting up shop in another location is as easy as some make it out to be. Central Florida is the perfect location. PR is an isolated island. Wouldn’t hurricanes be a much bigger factor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Wiggles Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, No Nonsense said: Wouldn’t hurricanes be a much bigger factor? I would think so. Bit risky but would certainly be interested to see a Disney theme park on an island. Especially with their cruise line n whatnot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoCommiesGo Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 Hurricanes and the fact that Puerto Rico’s power grid can barely maintain its current load is a major downside. Disney would be smart to do what PB said take their extra new cash. When someone asks just point to Desantis and say “His choice, ask him.” Don’t give him the fight he wants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 Fwiw Disneyland and World isn't family friendly $ wise anymore anyways. Plus, the old view of showing up and riding all the rides is now over. You have to pay the overpriced ticket price, buy the upcharged Genie, Genie+, and/or Lighning Lane passes..and basically show up at rope drop with phones ready to make sure you get to ride all the big rides. It's all a ****ing scam. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 Isn't there plenty of time built in before anything takes effect to quietly walk it back before taxpayers have to foot this bill? This is a political stunt. But if not, no, they should stay there and make the residents deal with the cost of them being there. As some have said, it'd cost a hell of a lot to move.. but could you imagine if they did? If they decided to sell a park to the highest bidding state, and just leave it behind to rot? It's not like couldn't afford it. That'd be something to see. ~Bang 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momma There Goes That Man Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 1 hour ago, PleaseBlitz said: cut off all donations to GOP politicians nationwide, and then move on. they will never do this part of it tho. They’ll still donate to the same party and people that called them pedophiles. They don’t want to have this fight they just want it to go away 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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