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CommanderInTheRye

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59 minutes ago, The Consigliere said:

I think it's more the tier drop. it seems pretty clear to now, based on reporting, the boards of most teams look like a tier breakdown of this:

Tier 1:

Caleb Williams

 

Tier 2:

Some grouping of Maye, Daniels and JJ

 

Tier 3:

Penix

 

Tier 4:

Nix

 

We don't want to drop out of 2, so we're sticking. I'm surprised we are unwilling to move from our #2 to #3 ranked prospect, but not at all surprised we have zero interest in moving down a tier entirely to say Minny or Oakland's pick. You can't move that far w/o almost assuredly moving outside the zone to acquire JJ or Maye (I suppose you could do a Champ Bailey deal, and try to move back up to the Chargers pick, but that's the only move there is-move down to Raiders/Minny, then repackage and move back up to 5 if Card's don't trade down, but the Chargers may just sit tight and take their OT there). 

 

Your tiers are probably a fair estimate of the consensus view.

 

I think there are teams/scouts that have the tiers differently and we may be among them.

 

For example there's evidence to support Caleb and Daniels as both on the top tier. Cooley certainly believes this, and I've read or heard somewhere that at least one unnamed team/GM  had Jayden ranked number one overall-- though that would certainly be a minority view.

 

Also, I've read that at least some teams view Nix as better than, or at least equal to Penix. to 

 

So this could be another legitimate tier ranking:

 

Tier 1: Caleb, Daniels

Tier 2: Maye, McCarthy

Tier 3: Penix, Nix

Tier 4: Rattler

Tier 5+: The rest

 

 

 

 

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rockluc

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Just now, clskinsfan said:

I will blow a gasket. But then get in line in a few days. He is the only one that would seriously make me question what the hell Peters saw before making the pick. 

Funny how many people feel the same way about Daniels. 

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Skinsinparadise

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28 minutes ago, clskinsfan said:

 

He had some medical flags come up I think. So maybe he makes to 40?

 

I know I am the one who posted the article about the red flags

 

• A team in the top 10 told me Monday they’d heard that any remaining issues between the Commanders and Jayden Daniels’s camp had been smoothed over. And I’m not finding many people with rival teams that don’t think the Heisman winner is D.C.-bound. 

 

• So if Daniels goes with the second pick, does that deflate the Las Vegas Raiders’ trade-up opportunities? I’ve heard they’ve continued to call around. But Daniels isn’t the only quarterback that Vegas has been connected to. Washington’s Michael Penix Jr. is another one that I’ve heard Antonio Pierce and his staff are high on.

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Warhead36

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He's not gonna get bigger and if he does, he risks losing his speed which is what makes him special. Just keep him at his normal weight and hope he learns to protect himself and that his speed and supposed fast processing can allow him to avoid hits.

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7 minutes ago, seantaylor=god said:

He worked with him for years. He was there with him. Whether he said it explicitly or he knows based on discussing QBs for YEARS with him, it’s not crazy.

 

It was a hypothetical anyway, I’m just speculating on the source.

Wouldn't be crazy that he has a great relationship with Shanny and respects his advice. I'm not surprised at all of they have had talks about this. 

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Skinsinparadise

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@Warhead36

 

if you are looking for some Maye optimism, here's some from Finebaum. Now he cames out on the point with an angle you'd hate but he hits the same destination regardless.

 

He's not a fan of Maye.  He thinks Daniels is the easy pick at 2.  But he goes its a loser franchise so maybe they take Maye

 

 

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10 minutes ago, clskinsfan said:

I think for a lot of fans it is the RG3 factor. Peoples hearts were ripped from their chests by Ngata that day. 

 

It was especially hard for the three or four of us (I was one) who expressed concerns about the serious knee injury he had in college.

 

We had just gone through a major disappointment with using a top pick on a supposed stud wr (Malcomb Kelly if memory serves) who had a major knee injury and before him it was another guy that was a pretty high pick.

 

After that first guy I was skeptical on Kelly. Just didn't  like major knee issues before they even get to the NFL. So after two in recent years pre rg3 I was concerned, especially with his rag doll reaction to tackles. Of course knee surgery has come s long ways in just the last ten years. This I know from personal experience too.

 

So some of us have a little deeper and more nuanced grounds for our "rg3 trauma"  when we watch film of JD. Still I'm ready to be optimistic of he's our pick.

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Warhead36

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2 minutes ago, Dah-Dee said:

 

JD5: Yeah, my dad is still my biggest hater. He's just like, flat out, "you suck."  🤣

I will say that's a good thing. I don't think we'll have to worry about poppa Daniels crying to the FO or anything like that.

 

"You're struggling? Suck it up and go watch film and work harder."

 

His mom on the other hand, well she does have a history...

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22 minutes ago, ExoDus84 said:

Sigh. We're going to draft a 45 pound quarterback, aren't we?

 

It's week one. First and 10, JD runs an end around and sees Micah Parsons in the hole. Not to be deterred, JD lowers his shoulder with conviction and

 

 

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I’m not so sure about that, Parsons is quite a bit bigger than JD, I don’t see JD breaking him in half. The more likely scenario is JD juking him and running for a TD

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The Consigliere

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16 minutes ago, CommanderInTheRye said:

 

Your tiers are probably a fair estimate of the consensus view.

 

I think there are teams/scouts that have the tiers differently and we may be among them.

 

For example there's evidence to support Caleb and Daniels as both on the top tier. Cooley certainly believes this, and I've read or heard somewhere that at least one unnamed team/GM  had Jayden ranked number one overall-- though that would certainly be a minority view.

 

Also, I've read that at least some teams view Nix as better than, or at least equal to Penix. to 

 

So this could be another legitimate tier ranking:

 

Tier 1: Caleb, Daniels

Tier 2: Maye, McCarthy

Tier 3: Penix, Nix

Tier 4: Rattler

Tier 5+: The rest

 

 

 

 

I don't disagree, I just think that if the Giants have Maye above McCarthy tier wise, then they will pay far more than just normal moving from 6 to 3 $$$ because part of this is its a QB and part of this is tiers, if you think McCarthy is closer to Penix than to Maye, you are going to pay moving up for Maye similarly to the Raiders going up for Daniels regardless of draft value charts or the Jimmy Johnson chart etc because it's QB, so there is no real valid chart for trade ups. 

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Skinsinparadise

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6 minutes ago, Warhead36 said:

Finebaum is a college football and primarily an SEC guy. He's not an NFL evaluator and has no idea how to project to the pros. He even admits "I'm not a draft person."

 

I know who Finebaum is.  Didn't say to take his takes seriously was just saying he thinks it can be Maye -- I don't like his rationale for why but all that matters is we get to the destination, the logic doesn't matter

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5 hours ago, Going Commando said:

 

If they pick Jayden and he busts, and Maye goes on to succeed, that's going to be it for me.  So they better be right if they do.

Same here for me. I am totally against drafting Daniels.

5 hours ago, Panninho said:

Well there are e.g. The Athletic's Nate Tice and BleacherReportin general who have him as QB1... just saying 

 

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