The Official QB Thread- JD5 taken #2. Randall 2.0 or Bayou Bob? Mariotta and Hartman forever. Fromm cut

[Renegade7]

19 minutes ago, skinsmania123 said:

I am probably in the minority, but I like Mayfield. Always have. I think he has a decent arm, is mobile and is a fighter. He is mentally tough.  I think the price would be right too. What do we have to lose? We are being brought out. We are in transition.  Go get him. 

 

 

He does have moxie...🙃

27 minutes ago, DJHJR86 said:

 

Malik Willis is awful.  I can't see Tennessee letting Tannehill leave just yet.

 

Everyone and they momma knew Willis was a high upside project, have to be fair to that dude.

[Smurffunbunchposse]

I made a post years ago and people called me crazy. I said, don't draft RG III. No player is worth mortgaging your future like that for. My suggestion at the time was draft Russell Wilson, whom I had seen play multiple times at NC State and draft Kirk Cousins as a backup plan. People jumped all over me for that idea. People said, that was crazy. RG III was going to lead us to a Super bowl. So, where would this franchise be if that draft pick never happened? Now, people are wanting to draft a QB or buy another cast-off (see Carr). Sam Howell!! Sam Howell! People have wrote him off without even seeing him play. He is Taylor Heinicke on steroids. He is a gamer, has moxie and he can throw a football. He is a leader. I mention TH because we won more games with him than without him. I like TH. He plays his heart out with the talent God gave him. As a fan, that's all I can ask.  Now put a strong arm, version of TH under center and where would we be. You give Sam Howell a line that can block (where we should spend money and draft picks) and he will produce. We have the running backs, receivers, he needs. Look, Joe Theismann, Mark Rypien, and Doug Williams were not great QB's on their own. The OL, RB's and receivers made them great. See Timmy Smith for what a great OL can do. I would not think about drafting a QB this off-season nor buy one until I give Sam Howell the chance to succeed with the players necessary to make that happen. How good would Trent Williams and Brandon Scherff look right now in a Washington uniform? Sam Howell put UNC on his back his senior year with very limited talent. If he had returned half the talent from his junior year, Sam Howell would not be in a  Washington uniform. You give someone with talent the "right" tools and they can succeed. See Purdy in San Fran. Get Howell the tools and let's see what happens before we cast him aside. I guess the ultimate question, If we could take any QB off their current team and put them in a Washington uniform, would they perform the same on this team as they are performing right now on their current team? I think we all know the answer and there lies the problem. Use the money and draft picks wisely and we might have reason for real hope next season and beyond. We don't need anymore RG III'S or Carson Wentz's. 

[skins4eva]

I find this all just so depressing.  The sale of the franchise can't come quickly enough, but i worry that we are in for a number of dark years before we see any glimmer of hope.  The cloud that overhangs this franchise due to Snyder's total incompetence is vast and wide.  And while I think Ron is a good enough guy, neither he nor anyone else on his staff has the intellectual chops to maximize the talent on this roster.  And i fear that Ron will be around for at least another year, bumbling about and forcing us all to witness Scott Turner's woeful incompetence for at least another season. 

 

By the way, how's this for a crazy take @Jumbo: Scott Turner is a deep sleeper sent by his father Norv to exact his final revenge on Snyder.  Norv came up with this plan upon being presented with vanilla ice cream by The Dan after a woeful defeat and at that exact moment in time, spent the rest of his career setting up his son to punish Snyder's crass display of disrespect.  I challenge anyone to counter this narrative which is objectively true in every respect.

[NewCliche21]

2 minutes ago, DJHJR86 said:

 

The way this loser went out of his way to rush to social media to defend Wentz should have been a bigger red flag than it was at the time.  He is such a mentally frail guy and it would surprise me if he's on a roster at the start of the season next year.

 

 

Also reminds me to cringe at Wright, too.  FML

[PigskinRedskin]

1 minute ago, Renegade7 said:

 

He does have moxie...🙃

 

2023 - 2 QB Sets with Heinicke & Mayfield. Too much moxie for the opposing defense, 40+ points every game. Easy Super Bowl.

 

[Redskins 2021]

Willis could always become a Randle-el like player.

 

 

[RVAskins]

2 minutes ago, Redskins 2021 said:

Willis could always become a Randle-el like player.

[DJHJR86]

QB A:

181/266 

68% Completion

1681 Yards

87.0 Passer Rating

10 Total TDs

8 Total Turnovers

5.98 AY/A

2-5 Record

 

QB B:

172/276

62.3% Completion

1755 Yards

80.2  Passer Rating

11 Total TDS

10 Total Turnovers

5.69 AY/A

2-5 Record

 

QB A is Matt Ryan over his last 7 starts.  QB B is Carson Wentz over his last 7 starts.  This is why I am a bit hesitant to bring in a quarterback like Derek Carr who has previously shown that he struggles in new systems.  

[Zim489]

8 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

A. You come off obsessed with Ron. That’s your passion. That’s your favorite topic to debate 

My favorite topic is about building a team that can consistently be in the hunt for SBs over a medium at worst period of time. Ron right now besides obviously Dan is reason 1. No man has wielded more power in the 2000s. Hes fumbled his way through it with consistently short sighted moves year after year. 

 

13 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

B. My interest in Ron is ZERO with the ownership issue looming. Nada. ZERO.

Doesnt seem to be. 

 

13 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

excuse making.

Wouldnt be out of the ordinary for Ron. The beat guys you quote in ever other post have all agreed he makes far too many. Still waiting for him to admit mistakes and claim fault like he said he would

[KDawg]

23 minutes ago, KillBill26 said:

Howell was a 5th rounder.  Richardson would be a 1st rounder, like haskins was.  You are advocating even trading up for Richardson.  The pressure/temptation to turn to him would be greater than it has been for Howell.  

I think there is no phrase I hate more than “Howell was a 5th rounder”.

 

Doesnt register with me. Sorry. 

[NewCliche21]

1 minute ago, skins4eva said:

I find this all just so depressing.  The sale of the franchise can't come quickly enough, but i worry that we are in for a number of dark years before we see any glimmer of hope.  The cloud that overhangs this franchise due to Snyder's total incompetence is vast and wide

 

This part is the most important and also where I disagree.  As the father of two kids just escaping toddlerhood and the peak of dumbassery-with-innocence, I was frustrated AF with a lot of the things they would do.  What they don't tell you about parenting is that once they can move on their own, your job switches to 100% Inadvertant-Suicide-Prevention-Specialist.  Full time full stop.  Now they're out of it.  Now they're doing actual things, and it's great.

Later when they do dumbass things I'll be pissed, because it was a choice.  At the first stage, they're finding their footing with total productive intention and infinite potential.

Changing diapers sucks, babies suck in all of the ways, but they ARE the glimmer of hope. Watching this team faceplant year after year is infuriating so loudly that many of us have gone deaf.

Watching a brand new owner faceplant will be frustrating, but it will be a sign of reality that things really can be different.  Changing diapers always sucks, but I'd rather change a baby's than an adult's.

[Skinsinparadise]

27 minutes ago, Zim489 said:

How in the hell do you still not understand why I didnt like those pick and still dont? 

 

I get your rationale about why you didn’t like the Dotson and Robinson and Howell picks. I explained to you at the time why I did like the picks. Your takes are not aging well and normally I wouldn’t give a rats behind but you are the one with the ego saying you are always right. 
 

If this is about who is right or wrong about stuff I’ve nailed plenty including Terry, Gibson, Ionnaidis among others we’ve taken in the draft. And I’ve gotten somethings wrong, too.

 

We all have. It’s not a spitting much. It’s talking football.  
 

As for Ron, it’s in your imagination that I think he’s a great coach. It might feel that way to you simply because when in my mind you are over the top on him I’ll push back.  He’s a good man and built a good culture and as I said a zillion times when you are coaching under Dan that means something.  But I don’t care to debate it constantly like you do. 

 

Edited January 2, 2023 by Skinsinparadise

[Zim489]

16 minutes ago, Jumbo said:

I think it's you who has been ridiculous with endless hot takes, exaggerations, and over the top positions.

Hot takes depends on the point of view. 

 

18 minutes ago, Jumbo said:

Meanwhile, not only is sip FAR from ridiculous in any aspect of his posting, whether you agree with various specific views or not, hr has been one of the best contributors on this board for many years. 

I agree. Theres a lot that SIP does that is great. The defense of Ron and mediocrity as a whole in any fashion is just something I can never get my mind regardless of sport.

 

20 minutes ago, Jumbo said:

you are much more tolerated than appreciated

Thats fine. It shouldnt be an echo chamber. Im not afraid of calling it like it is or sugar coating things. Theres plenty of people that agree and plenty that disagree. Thats what makes open forums great. 

[FootballZombie]

Carolina and LA got Mayfield for absolute peanuts with the browns eating a bunch of cap hit on the trade to Carolina and the Rams picking him up off waivers.

 

If he can be had in that under 10 Mil QB range you can do a lot worse, but I think his market will be better than that after flashing w/ the Rams. Cost would be a major concern as paying him big money would be the same mistake made w/ Wentz as you shelling out cash to a reclamation project.

 

 

 

I would have greatly preferred to take the low cost swing on Mayfield vs the high cost move w/ Wentz last year and said as much at the time of Baker's trade.

 

So yeah, if he is cheap, there is some reasoning behind that move. If he is north of 13 Mil... I'll pass

[DJHJR86]

Just now, Zim489 said:

I agree. Theres a lot that SIP does that is great. The defense of Ron and mediocrity as a whole in any fashion is just something I can never get my mind regardless of sport.

 

Where is he defending him?  Like at all?  Rivera managed to shut out the noise for the most part and have his team focus on football instead of the constant drama caused by this dip**** of an owner.  The results on the field have been mediocre, but the fact that he's managed to keep this team relatively relevant going into December every year under Snyder is what SIP is complimenting.  He's not declaring him Vince Lombardi.

[Zim489]

4 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

Your takes are not aging well

They are aging masterfully. They are sitting right in the middle. 

 

5 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

e’s a good man and built a good culture and as I said a zillion times when you are coaching under Dan that means something.

The first part of the sentence only matters if you are good for the portion between the lines. In just about every single aspect hes middling at best.

[NewCliche21]

1 minute ago, FootballZombie said:

Carolina and LA got Mayfield for absolute peanuts with the browns eating a bunch of cap hit on the trade to Carolina and the Rams picking him up off waivers.

 

If he can be had in that under 10 Mil QB range you can do a lot worse, but I think his market will be better than that after flashing w/ the Rams. Cost would be a major concern as paying him big money would be the same mistake made w/ Wentz as you shelling out cash to a reclamation project.

 

I would have greatly preferred to take the low cost swing on Mayfield vs the high cost move w/ Wentz last year and said as much at the time of Baker's trade.

 

So yeah, if he is cheap, there is some reasoning behind that move. If he is north of 13 Mil... I'll pass

 

Wentz trade was WAY earlier, Mayfield wasn't even available.  Can't compare the two, though I wish we would've done Mayfield given hindsight.

[Stefanskins]

15 minutes ago, Smurffunbunchposse said:

I made a post years ago and people called me crazy. I said, don't draft RG III. No player is worth mortgaging your future like that for. My suggestion at the time was draft Russell Wilson, whom I had seen play multiple times at NC State and draft Kirk Cousins as a backup plan. People jumped all over me for that idea. People said, that was crazy. RG III was going to lead us to a Super bowl. So, where would this franchise be if that draft pick never happened? Now, people are wanting to draft a QB or buy another cast-off (see Carr). Sam Howell!! Sam Howell! People have wrote him off without even seeing him play. He is Taylor Heinicke on steroids. He is a gamer, has moxie and he can throw a football. He is a leader. I mention TH because we won more games with him than without him. I like TH. He plays his heart out with the talent God gave him. As a fan, that's all I can ask.  Now put a strong arm, version of TH under center and where would we be. You give Sam Howell a line that can block (where we should spend money and draft picks) and he will produce. We have the running backs, receivers, he needs. Look, Joe Theismann, Mark Rypien, and Doug Williams were not great QB's on their own. The OL, RB's and receivers made them great. See Timmy Smith for what a great OL can do. I would not think about drafting a QB this off-season nor buy one until I give Sam Howell the chance to succeed with the players necessary to make that happen. How good would Trent Williams and Brandon Scherff look right now in a Washington uniform? Sam Howell put UNC on his back his senior year with very limited talent. If he had returned half the talent from his junior year, Sam Howell would not be in a  Washington uniform. You give someone with talent the "right" tools and they can succeed. See Purdy in San Fran. Get Howell the tools and let's see what happens before we cast him aside. I guess the ultimate question, If we could take any QB off their current team and put them in a Washington uniform, would they perform the same on this team as they are performing right now on their current team? I think we all know the answer and there lies the problem. Use the money and draft picks wisely and we might have reason for real hope next season and beyond. We don't need anymore RG III'S or Carson Wentz's. 

[KDawg]

Also, it’s amazing how people don’t seem to read here. @KillBill26 where did I advocate trading up for him? It’s comical at this point.

[Skinsinparadise]

10 minutes ago, Zim489 said:

 

 

I agree. Theres a lot that SIP does that is great. The defense of Ron and mediocrity as a whole in any fashion is just something I can never get my mind regardless of sport.

 

 It’s in your imagination. 
 

in my mind, you want me to be hot emotionally after every loss, the sky is falling and everything sucks.

 

Look I spent New Years Eve with my kids in DC. I flew up to the game. Used CC points on field passes. Spent good money on tickets. Watched a deflating loss and even got egged on about it by my Uber driver. Flying back home now after a one hour delay to take off.

 

I am in the perfect mood to rant and rave. 
 

But I don’t care at this moment about Ron or am so angry at him that I care to spin everything against him.

 

To me it’s all about Dan. Ron at best is a caretaker for another season. His situation will play out organically. And that’s not a new statement from me. I said the same thing in the throes of our winning streak. 
 

Emotionally Ron moves the needle with you and big time. You can couch it anyway you want. It’s obvious in your posting. You seem to think I am as equally emotionally interested and I am not, not even close 

Edited January 2, 2023 by Skinsinparadise

[Zim489]

Im not even hot about them losing. I full expect it most weeks for them. I get angrier over the bigger picture failures this franchise does. Until they get the big picture important aspects right its hard to get upset over wins and losses.

[Skinsinparadise]

12 minutes ago, Zim489 said:

They are aging masterfully. They are sitting right in the middle. 

Betting on average for any team without a Qb isn’t some master stroke.  What was Vegas on this if I recall 7 wins? 

 

But no sorry your takes on Dotson and Robinson being bad picks aren’t aging masterfully. Far from it. As far as Howell being a wasted pick, will see. 
 

It’s a juvenile though conversation IMO

Edited January 2, 2023 by Skinsinparadise

[NoCalMike]

The season was effectively over as soon as they drove to midfield in the OT againt the Giants and then bumbled their way backwards out of FG range.  When I saw that, I just had a bad omen about the rest of the season.  Then coming off the bye we get the 2nd Giants game and they looked even worse and I pretty much knew it was a wrap.  This team hasn't looked good in over a month.  I'll say now, I was a start Wentz guy, and for as much crap as I gave Heinicke, most of which I still think are valid criticisms.....Wentz should have never seen the field.  If the defense gives up 24 to the Browns regardless of our QB, then I don't think we win yesterday, but I also don't think Heinicke is throwing 3 picks, because Turner is likely sticking with running the ball more which for some odd reason he went away from immediately after it was shown to work.

 

I don't trust anyone on this coaching staff to evaluate talent, let alone QB talent.  Get rid of them all as soon as the season is over, and either start Howell with a vet backup in 2023 or figure out how to get a QB1 on the roster by then. 

[Skinsinparadise]

I’ll give you this @Zim489 I just landed. This debate made my flight feel like nothing. The time flew. If that was your master plan, I thank you for the evil genius tact 😉

Edited January 2, 2023 by Skinsinparadise

[Zim489]

Just now, Skinsinparadise said:

I’ll give you this @Zim489 I just landed. This debate made my flight feel like nothing. If that was your master plan, I thank you for the evil genius tact 😉