The Official QB Thread- JD5 taken #2. Randall 2.0 or Bayou Bob? Mariotta and Hartman forever. Fromm cut

[Leonard Washington]

I’m so annoyed with all the negative press from the “hometown” media. Let’s play the games before we are declared a bottom 5 team and QB in football. 

[FootballZombie]

46 minutes ago, Always A Commander Never A Captain said:

https://qbrankings.theringer.com/

 

Love the whole system setup on that page. Eye candy, clean, easy to naviagte. good stuff

 

I also like how they just gave up on trying to put Lamar in a QB box and just gave him a 120/100 in a stat. Everything aint gonna fit neatly, gotta break the rules sometimes.

 

 

Wentz does considerably worse than his average QB ranking on this site as his strengths were not thought of highly enough by the people assigning these scores. His Arm talent stat, pretty much the only stat he has that could buoy his positioning, was not top 10. Given their 6 metrics, if your not giving Wentz a lofty rating there, its an absolute free fall for the guy as accuracy and decision making serve as depth charges.

 

[Renegade7]

4 minutes ago, Leonard Washington said:

I’m so annoyed with all the negative press from the “hometown” media. Let’s play the games before we are declared a bottom 5 team and QB in football. 

 

We have, we looked bad in preseason, that was our chance to at least give something in this conversation, but the Kansas City game in particular our starters looked completely overwhelmed. 

 

We don't have a recent pattern of looking significantly better in regular season then our weaknesses exposed in preseason.

 

I'm convinced Wentz will make us a playoff team, and I'm not interested in QB rankings because there's no way he's as ineffective as we saw this August, but we don't know if we are going to get MVP candidate Wentz or not.

 

Good to Great QB play can make up for so much **** on a football team, and to not get credit at all for an obvious upgrade is mind-numbing, but not unexpected.

 

We'll finding out this Sunday and go from there.  But we sucked this year and this August, benefit of the doubt is earned, not given.

[mudhog]

51 minutes ago, Zim489 said:

 

With a decent QB youre biding time. Just waiting until that guy is gone so you get a chance at an elite one. A decent one is the worst place a team can be. 

There were many years in the last 30 that we may have been decent contenders with even competent QB play. Even though I didn't love Brunell or Alex Smith, they were very competent QB's. I would count Wentz in that ilk. With a coach like Zampese and a team that is actually welcoming him, I think he can regain his 2017 confidence. That's my hope anyway.

[Captain James]

OMG I can't believe what I just read on Yahoo Fantasy Football regarding starting Terry McLaurin:

 

"WR Terry McLaurin, Washington Commanders

Criminally under-drafted in 2022, McLaurin slipped due to the perceived downgrade at quarterback in Carson Wentz. At home against Jacksonville's struggling secondary, McLaurin will remind us just how talented he is regardless of who's under center."

 

Like WTF

[Warhead36]

 

13 minutes ago, Captain James said:

OMG I can't believe what I just read on Yahoo Fantasy Football regarding starting Terry McLaurin:

 

"WR Terry McLaurin, Washington Commanders

Criminally under-drafted in 2022, McLaurin slipped due to the perceived downgrade at quarterback in Carson Wentz. At home against Jacksonville's struggling secondary, McLaurin will remind us just how talented he is regardless of who's under center."

 

Like WTF

I think we know who wrote that

[Captain James]

I just can't wait for game 1 to be here, for Wentz to perform admirably, so that all of this noise can be taken out behind the shed.

[FootballZombie]

14 minutes ago, Captain James said:

Like WTF

 

I saw a bigger slight yesterday.

 

Draftkings put out a 1-32 ranking of expected week 1 QB fantasy football performances. Wentz is not even on the list.

 

https://dknation.draftkings.com/fantasy-advice/2022/9/5/23337613/nfl-week-1-qb-rankings-start-sit-streams-2022-fantasy-football-rankings-josh-allen-mahomes-lamar

 

They put A-Rod on their twice, so I am assuming an oversight error, but man, talk about being an afterthought. They got Joe Flacco on there.

 

 

Edited September 6, 2022 by FootballZombie

[Always A Commander Never A Captain]

45 minutes ago, FootballZombie said:

 

Love the whole system setup on that page. Eye candy, clean, easy to naviagte. good stuff

 

I also like how they just gave up on trying to put Lamar in a QB box and just gave him a 120/100 in a stat. Everything aint gonna fit neatly, gotta break the rules sometimes.

 

 

Wentz does considerably worse than his average QB ranking on this site as his strengths were not thought of highly enough by the people assigning these scores. His Arm talent stat, pretty much the only stat he has that could buoy his positioning, was not top 10. Given their 6 metrics, if your not giving Wentz a lofty rating there, its an absolute free fall for the guy as accuracy and decision making serve as depth charges.

 

 

That layout is gorgeous. I want to hate on the ranking system, but that webpage is just too good.

[Voice_of_Reason]

2 hours ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

If his arm was as good as his personality, he would’ve been drafted.  His appearance on Bussin’ with the Boys was rather entertaining.  I could see him potentially carving out a space in the local media, a la Paulsen, Moss, etc.

I personally think he should quit trying to play and become a coach.  He reminds me a lot of 2 good college QBs who had noodle arms, but ended up being really successful coaches pretty quickly:  Kellen Moore and Major Applewhite.  Moore is the OC of the Cowboys, and might be their next HC (if it's not Sean Payton)  Applewhite was looking like a really promising coach, was the OC at Texas and Alabama, and then things got derailed a bit.  

 

Though, he might want to go into broadcasting.  He also was taking like particle physics classes or something, so he might have interest out of football entirely. 

[Carsonfanforlife]

16 minutes ago, FootballZombie said:

 

I saw a bigger slight yesterday.

 

Draftkings put out a 1-32 ranking of expected week 1 QB fantasy football performances. Wentz is not even on the list.

 

https://dknation.draftkings.com/fantasy-advice/2022/9/5/23337613/nfl-week-1-qb-rankings-start-sit-streams-2022-fantasy-football-rankings-josh-allen-mahomes-lamar

 

They put A-Rod on their twice, so I am assuming an oversight error, but man, talk about being an afterthought. They got Joe Flacco on there.

 

 

These people are so awful at their jobs yet somehow critique other people at theirs. 🤣

Edited September 6, 2022 by Carsonfanforlife

[Voice_of_Reason]

2 hours ago, mudhog said:

ust recently on this board it was either VOR, KB or SIP who made the point about the chain of events which led to us getting Carson, instead of Tribbs, Mariota or any other scrubb QB.

Literally all of us have posted it multiple times.  I might have been the most recent, I think I posted it last week or so.  But we all have done it.  

2 hours ago, KDawg said:

Let me know when we have a shot at a high end QB prospect.

Dude, he threw out "get the #1 pick in 2026 for Arch Manning" either yesterday or the day before.  

 

I asked what we do until then.  I'm not sure I got an answer.  

 

I don't think banking on the #1 pick in 2026 (or possibly 2027 if Arch stays in because of the money they can make in college now) is really the way to go.  

 

But as we all know, @Zim489 has that crystal ball which tells him, and literally only him, which QBs are going to be good in which drafts years before they happen.  So, I guess we should believe him?

[Skinsinparadise]

 

 

Has there been a sadder franchise than this one at QB?  I used to think the Lions and Browns but i think we are tops. 

[Voice_of_Reason]

2 hours ago, Always A Commander Never A Captain said:

The Ringer did some QB rankings. They have Geno Smith at #22. Carson Wentz was #27. For a QB that was a smidge better than NFL average last season, #27 seems odd.

 

https://qbrankings.theringer.com/

 

Matt Stafford was only 1 spot ahead of Matt Ryan? That also seems odd to me.

Malory Rubin is literally the only thing on the Ringer that's worth listening to.  Ok, maybe that's a stretch.  Joanna Robinson is pretty good too, and there are a few researchers who are good.

 

And all of that is on their fandom side.  Their sports stuff has gone to hell in a handbasket.  It's all second-rate, appeal to the lowest common denominator in terms of fan intelligence, repeat national stories with some type of a twist.  It's all junk.  Which is why there have been quite a few defections over the years of good content creators, the most notable being Jason Concepcion, who was half of what was the #1 podcast in the country for a while Binge_mode (with Mal), and also did a lot of their NBA coverage, and even I think won an Emmy for some of it, and then bolted.  

 

I'd still listen to Mal read the phonebook, but everything else there has gone to ****.  

[Chris 44]

40 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

 

Has there been a sadder franchise than this one at QB?  I used to think the Lions and Browns but i think we are tops. 

Bought a Sanchez jersey?

[Renegade7]

Anyone who says Wentz is a downgrade from Heinicke is smoking crack and should be immediately drug tested while being escorted out whatever building they are in when they say it.

 

I've seen spite and folks trying to be edgy in regards to reviews on our team, but that's more like a cry for help...

[Zim489]

47 minutes ago, Voice_of_Reason said:

Literally all of us have posted it multiple times.  I might have been the most recent, I think I posted it last week or so.  But we all have done it.  

Dude, he threw out "get the #1 pick in 2026 for Arch Manning" either yesterday or the day before.  

 

I asked what we do until then.  I'm not sure I got an answer.  

 

I don't think banking on the #1 pick in 2026 (or possibly 2027 if Arch stays in because of the money they can make in college now) is really the way to go.  

 

But as we all know, @Zim489 has that crystal ball which tells him, and literally only him, which QBs are going to be good in which drafts years before they happen.  So, I guess we should believe him?

Was just saying thats a possibility lol if you have a desperate Ron Rivera in 2023 offseason trading away the world of a QB prospect while possibly not being here to then have to force a new staff to take the old staffs QB leading to a Zorn level HC search because said staff has no draft capital to improve a mediocre roster. That possibility could def lead to a 2026 1st overall pick. This isnt some crazy out of this world scenario. 

 

Way to put words in my mouth. Wasnt stating the path to get there however. And you cant tell me otherwise which QBs arent going to be the top prospects years out. The way the position is moving you can absolutely say who have the possibility to be more than ever solely with how important traits are. 

 

Catch up with the game. If you arent paying attention to recruiting of prospects to college you arent following the position enough. 

Edited September 6, 2022 by Zim489

[Skinsinparadise]

Rivera

 

A.  Tried to trade for Stafford

B.  Tried to trade for Justin Fields (according to Keim)

C.  Tried to trade for Russell Wilson

D.  Would have taken Mac Jones if he fell to their pick (according to Keim if I recall)

E. Traded for Carson Wentz

F.  Drafted Sam Howell

G.  Was basically screaming off the roof tops that you need a QB to win during this off season.

 

Like Ron or not like Ron, its clear as heck that he is willing to make moves to find that QB.   If some want to attack him for execution ala there is no price too big for Justin Fields, OK.  But as for chasing QBs and talking about chasing QBs -- I can't think of a coach we've had more obssesed and who has chased QBs as much as Ron. 

 

As for Ron not being willing to tank.  I am trying to think of a coach who would?  Also you need to have the owner on board for that and its been said to death Dan has no patience for a rebuild.   Ron even talked about that in his opening presser.   In other words, with Dan tanking could equate to sacrificing your job. 

 

 

Edited September 6, 2022 by Skinsinparadise

[Always A Commander Never A Captain]

14 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

Rivera

 

A.  Tried to trade for Stafford

B.  Tried to trade for Justin Fields (according to Keim)

C.  Tried to trade for Russell Wilson

D.  Would have taken Mac Jones if he fell to their pick (according to Keim if I recall)

E. Traded for Carson Wentz

F.  Drafted Sam Howell

G.  Was basically screaming off the roof tops that you need a QB to win during this off season.

 

Like Ron or not like Ron, its clear as heck that he is willing to make moves to find that QB.   If some want to attack him for execution ala there is no price too big for Justin Fields, OK.  But as for chasing QBs and talking about chasing QBs -- I can't think of a coach we've had more obssesed and who has chased QBs as much as Ron. 

 

As for Ron not being willing to tank.  I am trying to think of a coach who would?  Also you need to have the owner on board for that and its been said to death Dan has no patience for a rebuild.   Ron even talked about that in his opening presser.   In other words, with Dan tanking could equate to sacrificing your job. 

 

 

 

You can also add some other plays. Such as trying to talk Andrew Luck out of retirement. They left no stone unturned. There's a rumor we offered the farm for Aaron Rodgers too right?

[DJHJR86]

 

The amount of hate Wentz gets nationally is absolutely ridiculous, but you would be lying to yourself if you don't think stuff like this coming out isn't a concern or a red flag.  

 

 

 

I would be absolutely shocked if they benched Wentz at any point during the season.  

[FootballZombie]

Backup QB has a lot of play in that whole early benched QBs situation.

 

-Who is DET gonna bench Goff for? Sudfeild?

-Last I checked Tyrod was hurt so D. Jones is sitting about as pretty as he can

-Trubisky better put up

-Darnold's hurt, so Mayfield's got a minute minute

-I don't think Ridder is QB2 so, Mariotta is not in the danger zone yet.

-There is no direct threat to Wentz play time

[Skinsinparadise]

30 minutes ago, DJHJR86 said:

 

The amount of hate Wentz gets nationally is absolutely ridiculous, but you would be lying to yourself if you don't think stuff like this coming out isn't a concern or a red flag.  

 

 

 

I think the answer can be somewhere though in between.  As Keim likes to say, the standards of the Colts and the Commanders at QB are likely VERY different.

 

We are the dregs of the NFL at QB.  the Colts have been borderline royalty.

 

Do I believe the constant reports coming out of Indy this off season about Ryan?  Mostly. Yes.  But they are getting IMO a tad carried away. 

 

A.  Better leader -- takes full charge of the offense, Peyton style and in another strata on that front compared to Wentz.  Sure, that's believable to me.

 

B.  More consistent and accurate.  Sure.  That's believable to me as well.

 

C.  Better QB than Wentz.  I gather I am in the minority on this front on the board but I think he's likely the better QB even at this stage of his career, assuming last year was a one off season.  but will see. 

 

All that could be true.  And also this to be true.

 

A.  Wentz is uniquely gifted compared to previous QBs here

 

B.  He's better that what we've had since Kirk with bigger upside than Kirk

 

C.  While I got little doubt Wentz isn't an elite level or even good leader.  In contrast to what we've had, on that front, sans Alex, he might be above average compared to what we've had.  Maybe not for the Colts -- Rivers was an elite level leader, Peyton ditto, not sure about Luck.  

 

D.  Yeah I buy he will be a roller coaster.  But this isn't the Colts who think they are a SB team.  We are looking at this stage to sneak into the playoffs.  we can ride the roller coaster if need be.

 

E.  I serioulsy doubt we could have gotten Ryan even if we wanted to.  And as much as I don't care for Ballard, he did well IMO in both trades, IMO he won both deals from the Colts perspective.  But there could be two winners in a deal.  I think we could win the deal, too. 

 

 

The same Athletic article

 

Edited September 6, 2022 by Skinsinparadise

[Warhead36]

Matt Ryan is better than Carson Wentz. That's not really up for debate. But he's also older and more expensive, and at the end of the day, he wasn't gonna come here(had a no trade clause). 

 

Its perfectly reasonable for both teams to have upgraded the QB positions and be happy.

[Voice_of_Reason]

1 hour ago, DJHJR86 said:

 

 

We absolutely know that Zak Keefer is essentially on Irsay's payroll, because he said so.  He openly stated that he was in a suite with Irsay during the combine, taking notes and regurgitating everything Irsay said.  Zak was on Galdi's podcast and state it plainly that he was in the suite and got the information from Irsay.

 

There is no question where this is coming from.  The continued hit job from Irsay is unbelievable.  

 

Btw, how long do you think it will take our media guys, specifically Sheehan, to have this turd on and repeat it as fact just to stir the pot?  My guess is he is on at least 3 radio shows/podcasts within the week.  Probably Sheehan (who has a deal with the Athletic, though I'm not sure exactly what it is), Standig (which would make sense because they are both Athletic beat reporters) and Galdi.  Who might push back a bit. Standig won't push back on a colleague too much, and Sheehan is going to invite the criticism.  

 

I really like Ben Standig of the Athletic, but it's really hit or miss on the local beat reporters they have and how good they are.  It's clear that some of them are just mouthpieces for their organizations, and they're happy to be that way because they continue to get access and extra stories.  Others are more "real reporter" types.  

 

That moron from ESPN who covers the Cowboys, Todd Archer, is the same way.  He probably has a guest suite all set up in Jerrah's mansion somewhere, with the promise of Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders giving him a lap dance whenever he wants it (in uniform) to make sure he always tows the company line.  

10 minutes ago, Warhead36 said:

Matt Ryan is better than Carson Wentz. That's not really up for debate. But he's also older and more expensive, and at the end of the day, he wasn't gonna come here(had a no trade clause). 

 

Its perfectly reasonable for both teams to have upgraded the QB positions and be happy.

I'm not sure he's more expensive. 

 

More importantly, we asked about him and he wasn't available.  The Falcons didn't make him available until they dallied with Watson, and Ryan took offense.  Which was after we traded for Wentz.  So we might have liked Ryan more, might have tried to offer something for him, make him turn us down, but when we asked, the Falcons said he wasn't even on the table.  

 

So the whole thing was moot.  

[mistertim]

3 hours ago, Warhead36 said:

 

I think we know who wrote that

 

Has anyone seen @zCommanderand this article writer in the same room together?

 

I THINK NOT!