2022 Draft Order/Tracker: Now Picking #11

[Koolblue13]

11 minutes ago, KDawg said:

 

He wasn't demoted. He's doing the same things he's been doing all year.

 

You also ignored the entire second part of my post.

Hes not doing the same thing he's done all year. This week he was an actual Sam backer, not a safety.

 

If you missed the entire " I'm not playing linebacker " drama with him and then this week saying "I'm playing linebacker now" thing, I'll fill you in. 

 

He was demoted and Curl took his job.

 

I agree that the fans will go nuts if a young QB struggles. Can't plug just anyone into a starting rookie role. I do think we'd be far more patient if said rookie QB was doing what he needs to do to improve and not going to stripper cootie parties.

[KDawg]

10 minutes ago, Koolblue13 said:

Hes not doing the same thing he's done all year. This week he was an actual Sam backer, not a safety.

 

If you missed the entire " I'm not playing linebacker " drama with him and then this week saying "I'm playing linebacker now" thing, I'll fill you in. 

 

He was demoted and Curl took his job.

 

I agree that the fans will go nuts if a young QB struggles. Can't plug just anyone into a starting rookie role. I do think we'd be far more patient if said rookie QB was doing what he needs to do to improve and not going to stripper cootie parties.

 

He's been playing up in a hybrid LB/safety role all year. SAM backer and Buffalo Nickel are very similar as jobs. Sometimes it changes if you're TE responsible, slot responsible or RB responsible. Your gap responsibility can change from contain to an interior gap or on the LOS to jam a tight end. But it's an up at the LOS defender role. 
 

Granted he’ll be against less slot types now most likely, and with more snaps in the box his space tackling issues will be subdued. That’s not lost on me.

 

RE: cootie parties - was never a Haskins guy. The FO hurt him but he hurt himself just as much. Wasnt a good QB and his head wasn’t screwed on the right way at that point in his career.

Edited October 25, 2021 by KDawg

[Koolblue13]

30 minutes ago, KDawg said:

 

He's been playing up in a hybrid LB/safety role all year. SAM backer and Buffalo Nickel are very similar as jobs. Sometimes it changes if you're TE responsible, slot responsible or RB responsible. Your gap responsibility can change from contain to an interior gap or on the LOS to jam a tight end. But it's an up at the LOS defender role. 
 

Granted he’ll be against less slot types now most likely, and with more snaps in the box his space tackling issues will be subdued. That’s not lost on me.

 

RE: cootie parties - was never a Haskins guy. The FO hurt him but he hurt himself just as much. Wasnt a good QB and his head wasn’t screwed on the right way at that point in his career.

I understand the difference between the positions and the titles given to them. Thanks.

[KDawg]

2 minutes ago, Koolblue13 said:

I understand the difference between the positions and the titles given to them. Thanks.

 

So I don't understand your opposition to my suggestion he's doing the same thing as before?

 

Curl and him just swapped positions. He doesn't belong on the field. 

[Koolblue13]

Just now, KDawg said:

 

So I don't understand your opposition to my suggestion he's doing the same thing as before?

 

Curl and him just swapped positions. He doesn't belong on the field. 

Because you're doing that thing where you'll go vague enough to punch your point home so you feel right. It's annoying and I don't enjoy conversing with you when you do that, so im trying to let it go.

 

Collins played exactly the same position yesterday after his coach and the player said he wouldn't be and he didn't. You are absolutely correct.

 

You seem pretty confident for someone openly bragging about not watching the game yesterday. 

[KDawg]

2 minutes ago, Koolblue13 said:

Because you're doing that thing where you'll go vague enough to punch your point home so you feel right. It's annoying and I don't enjoy conversing with you when you do that, so im trying to let it go.

 

Collins played exactly the same position yesterday after his coach and the player said he wouldn't be and he didn't. You are absolutely correct.

 

You seem pretty confident for someone openly bragging about not watching the game yesterday. 

 

Wait, what?

 

Hang on a second. 

 

I watched the whole game yesterday. I walked away at one point to help my daughter do her nails. I never once said, or bragged, that I didn't watch the game. I watched the vast majority of that pain stakingly awfully played football game. 

 

And yes, Collins played a similar role yesterday as he has all year. If you are arguing the semantics that they are calling him a linebacker now and didn't before - I agree. They are calling him a linebacker now. He was even listed with the linebackers when they showed the starters (but labeled him as a safety). I really don't understand your frustration with me, specifically here. 

 

Though I do understand the frustration when posting about this team and sometimes losing sight of the convo and just getting lost in the quagmire of this franchise. 

[RichmondRedskin88]

I believe Ron has as much control as most golfers on the weekend.  Hint zero.  He gets as much control as Snyder gives but don’t think for a second he would hesitant to throw him out. 

[kingdaddy]

Speaking of the draft...this has not been a good start for Davis, Cosmi or Brown, the latter who seems to get hurt every game. Our rookies need to step up and have better 2nd halves.

[Koolblue13]

6 minutes ago, kingdaddy said:

Speaking of the draft...this has not been a good start for Davis, Cosmi or Brown, the latter who seems to get hurt every game. Our rookies need to step up and have better 2nd halves.

Davis has looked better every week. The last two weeks his PT has increased.

Cosmi is a monster and one of the highest graded tackles this year. Injury stinks, but he'll be fine.

Brown, agree.

Juste has been pretty good. Taken some lumps, but he's a 3rd round CB and is a starter.

[KDawg]

54 minutes ago, RichmondRedskin88 said:

I believe Ron has as much control as most golfers on the weekend.  Hint zero.  He gets as much control as Snyder gives but don’t think for a second he would hesitant to throw him out. 

 

Same.

 

42 minutes ago, kingdaddy said:

Speaking of the draft...this has not been a good start for Davis, Cosmi or Brown, the latter who seems to get hurt every game. Our rookies need to step up and have better 2nd halves.

 

Cosmi has played well. Davis is playing decently (though not first round worthy at this point but it's rookie year).

 

But until we get a quarterback very little about the rest of the team matters. There ARE teams that can win with decent QB play due to their organizational culture and the perception among players and agents. We are NOT one of them. If we want to win we need a bonafide quarterback. 

[kingdaddy]

8 minutes ago, KDawg said:

 

Same.

 

 

Cosmi has played well. Davis is playing decently (though not first round worthy at this point but it's rookie year).

 

But until we get a quarterback very little about the rest of the team matters. There ARE teams that can win with decent QB play due to their organizational culture and the perception among players and agents. We are NOT one of them. If we want to win we need a bonafide quarterback. 

To your point, look at the NYJ and Bears, even the NYG and even the Niners....they all got high 1st round QB's and they are just as bad as they were before. I can argue that TH is playing better than Fields, Wilson and Lance and is on par with Daniel Jones. TH hit Terry in the chest with a TD pass in the endzone yesterday and Terry dropped it. We can't ignore the ineptitude around TH, most notably a historically bad defense to this point. 

I agree that TH is limited but he also makes a lot of plays. He has literally 2 decent WR's right now to work with (Terry, Humphries) and a TE that we signed off of the scrap heap. His starting RB fumbles  the ball frequently.                 

Yes, I want a stud QB,  but it is just not an easy thing to do. 

If Matt Ryan comes available next season I'd look at him. I'd be very interested in trading for Trubisky right now as I stated before, just to see if there's any potential there. 

If we want to win it's gonna take much more than a bona fide QB, it's gonna take better everything...coaching, players and less mistakes. 

Final point, if our players can't stay healthy then it won't matter who the QB is either. Samuel has given us nothing. Dyami Brown...ditto. Thomas injury is huge. Cam Sims. 

[mistertim]

59 minutes ago, kingdaddy said:

Speaking of the draft...this has not been a good start for Davis, Cosmi or Brown, the latter who seems to get hurt every game. Our rookies need to step up and have better 2nd halves.

 

Davis has been a bit underwhelming but I think too many people here expected too much from him in season 1. He only started a single season in college so he's struggling to adjust to the big leap between college and the NFL. He was pretty much a pure physical freak upside pick, like Sweat. He's shown flashes but I'm more interested in how he looks next season after a full year in the big leagues.

 

Cosmi has been excellent, especially for a rookie, and especially in pass pro. He definitely needs to improve his pass pro chops but he's gotten better at that over time. I have a feeling that by next season he's going to be an absolute monster. IMO he was a steal where we got him. Not sure why you're down on him, other than an injury.

 

With Brown I kinda feel you. I was excited to see what he could do but he hasn't done all that much, though at least he's in the lineup and getting passes thrown his way. If he was looking horrible that wouldn't be the case. That being said, we also need to remember that he's a 3rd round rookie. I think we got spoiled by having a super rare mid round guy in Terry. Most 3rd round receivers don't do all that much. If you get a solid starter then that's a hit for that pick. I'll be interested to see how he looks next season as well.

[kingdaddy]

30 minutes ago, mistertim said:

 

Davis has been a bit underwhelming but I think too many people here expected too much from him in season 1. He only started a single season in college so he's struggling to adjust to the big leap between college and the NFL. He was pretty much a pure physical freak upside pick, like Sweat. He's shown flashes but I'm more interested in how he looks next season after a full year in the big leagues.

 

Cosmi has been excellent, especially for a rookie, and especially in pass pro. He definitely needs to improve his pass pro chops but he's gotten better at that over time. I have a feeling that by next season he's going to be an absolute monster. IMO he was a steal where we got him. Not sure why you're down on him, other than an injury.

 

With Brown I kinda feel you. I was excited to see what he could do but he hasn't done all that much, though at least he's in the lineup and getting passes thrown his way. If he was looking horrible that wouldn't be the case. That being said, we also need to remember that he's a 3rd round rookie. I think we got spoiled by having a super rare mid round guy in Terry. Most 3rd round receivers don't do all that much. If you get a solid starter then that's a hit for that pick. I'll be interested to see how he looks next season as well.

Thanks, I get the rookie learning curve but the injuries are bothersome to me. Overal this is the most disappointing season since 2013 for me and it's primarily because of how bad we are playing on defense. Never saw this coming. 

[Warhead36]

Brown was supposed to be good but the guy literally never gets open. He's basically a slightly better Josh Doctson right now.

 

Davis and Juste have shown flashes and as they play more they should end up becoming cornerstone pieces of our D and Cosmi has been fantastic after a rough Week 1.

[Koolblue13]

J E T S JETS JETS JETS!

[DiscoBob]

We can't out suck the Lions...

 

Danny: Hold my beer

 

[zCommander]

[Warhead36]

Lions, Texans, Dolphins(so Eagles really) and Jags are absolutely god awful. They are locks for the top 4. And three of them will be drafting a QB.

 

We're gonna have a top 5 pick and end up taking like a CB or something.

[Skinsinparadise]

My nightmare is this dude is going to prevent us from getting that QB.  I think Heinicke can outduel him. 

 

 

 

[kwitt]

That strength of schedule may be a killer.  No tie breakers will go our way.  We need to keep losing.  I have a lot of faith in that.

[zCommander]

15 minutes ago, Warhead36 said:

Lions, Texans, Dolphins(so Eagles really) and Jags are absolutely god awful. They are locks for the top 4. And three of them will be drafting a QB.

 

We're gonna have a top 5 pick and end up taking like a CB or something.

 

I don't see Philly and Detroit taking a QB. 

 

Edited November 1, 2021 by zskins

[Playaction2Sanders]

On 10/25/2021 at 9:30 AM, KDawg said:

 

 

But until we get a quarterback very little about the rest of the team matters. There ARE teams that can win with decent QB play due to their organizational culture and the perception among players and agents. We are NOT one of them. If we want to win we need a bonafide quarterback. 

 

How about a running game??? We're asking Heinike to pull to compete against the best with most of the offense hurt besides McClaurin. Did we not see how much better the offense was with Thomas in there? And I'm sorry but I don't think Gibson is the answer at RB, I think he's a specialist. You need a bellcow who can take pressure off of Taylor hell the QB as a position. I want to see more Dax Milne. Dude knows how to get open.

Edited November 1, 2021 by Playaction2Sanders

[KDawg]

Just now, Playaction2Sanders said:

 

How about a running game??? We're asking Heinike to pull to compete against the best with most of the offense hurt besides McClaurin. Did we not see how much better the offense was with Thomas in there? And I'm sorry but I don't think Gibson is the answer at RB, I think he's a specialist. You need a bellcow who can take pressure off of Taylor hell the QB as a position. I want to see more Dax Milne. Dude knows how to get open.

You don’t have to tell me that. I’ve been eating **** from this forum for the take we should have taken Najee at our pick before the draft.

[Skinsinparadise]

11 minutes ago, zskins said:

 

I don't see Philly and Detroit taking a QB. 

 

 

Goff and Hurts going to stop them?  I think almost for sure they shoot for a QB.  

[Playaction2Sanders]

15 minutes ago, zskins said:

 

I don't seeing Philly and Detroit taking a QB. 

 

You don't see or you hope?