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10 minutes ago, KDawg said:

I’d give the edge to Carter. Which means the question becomes are we going to keep 6 receivers + Carter or 6 receivers counting Carter. 
 

We’ll see.

Your question is exactly what led to mine. That's why I was expecting them to look at a RB, WR or even DB via draft that was returner. Will be another interesting August decision. 

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1 hour ago, DWinzit said:

Your question is exactly what led to mine. That's why I was expecting them to look at a RB, WR or even DB via draft that was returner. Will be another interesting August decision. 

I can't see keeping 6 WR's plus Carter....

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1 hour ago, LLandryistheshiz said:

Ron values position flex too much to not have a few RB/WR/DBs be able to return. I don’t think he’ll keep a guy that can only return and provide no real value elsewhere 

Conversely, the focus on position flexibility can create open roster space to have a primary returner.  Looking at the guys likely to make the roster, I don’t see a return guy.  Danny Johnson is on the outside looking in with the additions of Roberts and St Juste.  I don’t see it in the WR group.  I know Humphries can do punts, but he’s not going to be dynamic back there.  From what I can tell, Dazz Newsome did a lot of the punt returns for UNC, so I’m not sure that Brown has that experience.

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24 minutes ago, Ball Security said:

Conversely, the focus on position flexibility can create open roster space to have a primary returner.  Looking at the guys likely to make the roster, I don’t see a return guy.  Danny Johnson is on the outside looking in with the additions of Roberts and St Juste.  I don’t see it in the WR group.  I know Humphries can do punts, but he’s not going to be dynamic back there.  From what I can tell, Dazz Newsome did a lot of the punt returns for UNC, so I’m not sure that Brown has that experience.

Carter was signed as a punt returner for the reasons you've mentioned here....He's been in the league for a few years now and is a good pr. 

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It’s certainly possible they keep six WR + Carter. If they designate a return man as a specialist like they would a long snapper or kicker or punter than you need 4 slots for specs.

 

Theres no reason they can’t do that. 
 

Maybe it’s two QBs (Fitz/Heinicke) with Montez on PS and Allen PUP due to a slow progression back.

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2 hours ago, kingdaddy said:

Carter was signed as a punt returner for the reasons you've mentioned here....He's been in the league for a few years now and is a good pr. 

I think that was what he was getting at - no one else on the roster fits as a sure fire, proven returner, and the position flexibility of some of our guys allows us to carry Carter.

2 hours ago, KDawg said:

It’s certainly possible they keep six WR + Carter. If they designate a return man as a specialist like they would a long snapper or kicker or punter than you need 4 slots for specs.

 

Theres no reason they can’t do that. 
 

Maybe it’s two QBs (Fitz/Heinicke) with Montez on PS and Allen PUP due to a slow progression back.

With the new CBA rules, they also have the 2 additional roster spots now (55 on roster/48 active), so it makes that decision that much easier.  Edit: the 2 additional roster spots are for PS only (can be called up twice and then demoted again, more than that and they have to have their PS contract terminated and a FA contract worked out), so probably should ignore the above (thx ts)

2 hours ago, UK SKINS FAN 74 said:

I don’t think Carter is a good enough returner to  warrant a designated place just for that. Never got a return TD?

Game of inches... I’ll take the guy that adds an extra yard or two per return (especially with the 2 additional roster spots).

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9 minutes ago, skinny21 said:

With the new CBA rules, they also have the 2 additional roster spots now (55 on roster/48 active), so it makes that decision that much easier.

This is not technically how it works. The official roster is still only 53 players. You can promote up to 2 players per week from the practice squad to the active roster, to increase the total amount of players on the roster for that game to 54 or 55. But they go back down to the PS the next week. There are also limitations to how often you can do this per player before they are exposed to waivers. 
 

So yes, the rule does offer some additional flexibility, but it’s not as simple as just getting two extra roster spots. 

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33 minutes ago, KDawg said:

It’s certainly possible they keep six WR + Carter. If they designate a return man as a specialist like they would a long snapper or kicker or punter than you need 4 slots for specs.

 

Theres no reason they can’t do that. 
 

Maybe it’s two QBs (Fitz/Heinicke) with Montez on PS and Allen PUP due to a slow progression back.

Looks like my returner question has sparked some good discussion. If there is a legit returner released they could look to add him

 

Bringing up Montez reminds me, along with being a probable PS designee for QB they may be considering a distant extra TE option

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2 hours ago, terpfan said:

This is not technically how it works. The official roster is still only 53 players. You can promote up to 2 players per week from the practice squad to the active roster, to increase the total amount of players on the roster for that game to 54 or 55. But they go back down to the PS the next week. There are also limitations to how often you can do this per player before they are exposed to waivers. 
 

So yes, the rule does offer some additional flexibility, but it’s not as simple as just getting two extra roster spots. 

Good catch, I’ll edit to avoid having bad info out there.  I do think we’ll see the 2 extra active players (48 instead of 46) potentially play a role in this regard, but certainly not to the degree I was thinking.

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3 hours ago, skinny21 said:

I think that was what he was getting at - no one else on the roster fits as a sure fire, proven returner

 

I think we may simply not have a sure fire proven returner.  That as long as our guy can catch the ball that'll be good enough

1 hour ago, skinny21 said:

Good catch, I’ll edit to avoid having bad info out there.  I do think we’ll see the 2 extra active players (48 instead of 46) potentially play a role in this regard, but certainly not to the degree I was thinking.

 48th has to be OL

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1 hour ago, carex said:

 

I think we may simply not have a sure fire proven returner.  That as long as our guy can catch the ball that'll be good enough

 48th has to be OL

You could be right about a returner.  As to your second sentence...

 

Beginning with the 2020 regular season, the Active List limit shall be increased from forty-six players per Club to forty-eight players per Club; provided, however, that such a Club’s Active List includes a minimum of eight players whose primary playing position is Center, Guard or Tackle (collectively, “Offensive Lineman”).

 

 

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2 minutes ago, skinny21 said:

You could be right about a returner.  As to your second sentence...

 

Beginning with the 2020 regular season, the Active List limit shall be increased from forty-six players per Club to forty-eight players per Club; provided, however, that such a Club’s Active List includes a minimum of eight players whose primary playing position is Center, Guard or Tackle (collectively, “Offensive Lineman”).

 

 

 

how is that different then what I said?

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Just now, carex said:

 

how is that different then what I said?

You read that CBA section I quoted as “48th has to be an olineman?”  

 

I read it as ‘you can activate 48 players, as long as 8 or more are olinemen’.

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6 minutes ago, carex said:

 

how is that different then what I said?

We would have 8 guys active in some cases anyways. Not always. But as long as you have 8 active OL the 48th active player can be any position.

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1 hour ago, KDawg said:

We would have 8 guys active in some cases anyways. Not always. But as long as you have 8 active OL the 48th active player can be any position.

 we generally carried nine to ten OL and activated seven prior to that rule

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With inspiration from @JamesMadisonSkins in the Free Agency thread, I got crazy and pulled in contracts from Spotrac to keep track of the projected salary cap number for the final 53. The image is really small so may be hard to see, but I have us with just under $14 mil in cap space if we cut down the roster to the 53 guys I'm projecting. Feel free to check my math and make sure I'm not missing something obvious... 

 

This shouldn't be significantly different depending on which 53 you select, unless you're doing something crazy... most of the guys at the bottom of the depth chart will have similar cap hits. But this should help if we add any other significant contracts to see where we're at afterwards.

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If Patterson makes the team and has reliable hands, I’d love to see him get a shot as the kick returner. With his frame and low center of gravity, I can see him being good at it a la Sproles

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11 minutes ago, method man said:

If Patterson makes the team and has reliable hands, I’d love to see him get a shot as the kick returner. With his frame and low center of gravity, I can see him being good at it a la Sproles

I’m hoping he’ll get a shot to do this too. Would make him a lot easier to carry as a 4th RB. Doesn’t look like he did it at all in college... but I don’t think kick returner is all that difficult of a thing to pick up (as opposed to punt returner). And I do prefer having a battering ram RB type in that role compared to a WR or DB. 
 

As a side note, I was able to find some info about him playing in kick coverage, so he is at least familiar with and open to playing specials. That should help him make the team regardless. 

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With the circus that we have had in PR over the last few years, I can live with someone who can consistently catch the ball.  Any yards after a successful catch is just gravy.

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  • TK changed the title to The Official Roster Thread or similar ;)

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