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it is really weird to me with the comparative strength of the DL and the LB corps we're going into the season with 14 DL and 9 LB, despite the fact our top 6 DL spots should be settled while only a couple of spots on the LB corp are

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1 hour ago, carex said:

it is really weird to me with the comparative strength of the DL and the LB corps we're going into the season with 14 DL and 9 LB, despite the fact our top 6 DL spots should be settled while only a couple of spots on the LB corp are

Interesting observation.  Some factors that might explain the numbers:

1. Toney is a LB even though he’s listed as a DE

2. We don’t have anyone proven behind Young/Sweat (though at least Toohill and JSW have some experience)

3. Settle and Allen are FAs next year, Payne and Io the year after.

4. We play mostly nickel, so 2 LBs vs 4 Dline on the field

5. 3 deep at each position going into camp would leave you with 9 LBs and 12 Dlinemen

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1 hour ago, KDawg said:

Baugh and Leno the only recent changes?

Yup. Here's my update with Leno's reported cap hit included.

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On 5/3/2021 at 12:24 PM, Ball Security said:

David Bada.  DT.

Also have Daniel Wise listed twice.

 

On 5/3/2021 at 12:27 PM, KDawg said:

Just keep kicking me in the nuts. :ols:

 

On 5/4/2021 at 4:32 PM, zskins said:

 

Okay...

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That's taking the punishment a bit too excessive on KDawg.

So I'm going to have to throw a flag on a couple of you guys and penalize you all, for "Givin Him The Business"

 

 

 

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On 5/13/2021 at 8:08 PM, KDawg said:

OP updated

Well I guess you can now add Bobby McCain (S) to the mix.

 

Not sure it is relevant to add Jordan Ta'amu in the QB list as he replaces Steven Montez for this minicamp.

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On 5/13/2021 at 1:12 PM, skinny21 said:

2. We don’t have anyone proven behind Young/Sweat (though at least Toohill and JSW have some experience)

I’m pretty convinced that if by the end of mini-camp in late June Ron doesn’t see what he wants to from the other rotational DE’s they sign Kerrigan back for a modest deal.  And while I think that would sting Kerrigan a bit, since nobody has offered him a starting job anywhere, he might take it instead of retiring. 
 

But the hope is they find a guy who can be a substitute or pinch starter in case of injury from the guys they have. 

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2 hours ago, KDawg said:

Ta’amu wasn’t signed, was he? I didn’t see anything on him being signed so my assumption is tryout but you read more of that than I do :ols:

Correct he’s not on the roster. Fine to leave him off for now. 
 

I had to do some extra research on David Bada because Spotrac originally did not have him listed, even though the WFT website did. It would seem he is part of the International Pathways Program, so while he does count against the cap, he actually doesn’t count against the 90 man roster limit. So technically, I believe we do still have one roster spot available after signing McCain. 

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On 5/13/2021 at 11:16 AM, carex said:
On 5/13/2021 at 11:16 AM, carex said:

it is really weird to me with the comparative strength of the DL and the LB corps we're going into the season with 14 DL and 9 LB, despite the fact our top 6 DL spots should be settled while only a couple of spots on the LB corp are

 

My guess is that the team keeps 9 DL (for four spots) and 5 to 6 LBs (for 3 spots). So you effectively have a full set of reserve backups for each position. Bada doesn't count against the ninety, so it's more like 9/13 and 6/9. I could also see the team keeping only 5 LBs if it needed room elsewhere (say OL) on the 53.

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8 minutes ago, Jericho said:

 

My guess is that the team keeps 9 DL (for four spots) and 5 to 6 LBs (for 3 spots). So you effectively have a full set of reserve backups for each position. Bada doesn't count against the ninety, so it's more like 9/13 and 6/9. I could also see the team keeping only 5 LBs if it needed room elsewhere (say OL) on the 53.

Toney will probably be listed as a DE but play some LB, so my guess is he will be the 9th DL and the 6th LB in one. 😎

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Way early Final 53 projection. Obviously injuries will happen and the rookies are a complete unknown. But we're probably looking at something like

 

Offense (26)

QB (3): Fitzpatrick, K. Allen, Heinicke

Comments: Two to three spots in theory, but I think this position has been locked in for some time. The only real question is who is the game day back up for Fitzpatrick?

RB (4): Gibson, McKissic, Barber, Patterson

Comments: Three to four spots. Gibson and McKissic seem like locks. Patterson in part because he's young and has some upside and the rest of the competition is  pretty weak. Barber is very uninspiring, but I suspect is the player many fans wish would be gone, but never is. Maybe Lamar Miller can bump him if he has anything left?

WR (6): McLaurin, Samuel, Humphries, D. Brown, AGG, C. Sims

Comments: Five to six spots. Was tempted to squeeze in Harmon. The only real locks are McLaurin, Samuel, and D. Brown. I feel Humphries should make it, he's only two plus seasons removed from getting a huge contract. So he should still have something left. But his contract is pretty minimal. AGG was drafted as a developmental guy, so while he struggled in year one, I can give him something of a pass. The team clearly likes Cam Sims enough to tender him at two million, so that should be good enough to crack the top 6. Harmon or Milne are the guys that can push their way on this roster in training camp

TE (3): L. Thomas, Bates, Reyes?

Comments: Three spots. Thomas is the starter. Bates should easily make the roster. But the third? I'm highly skeptical Reyes is really going to be good enough this quickly, but the rest of the competition looks pretty darn weak.

OL (10): Leno, Moses, Scherff, Flowers, Roullier, Lucas, Schwitzer, Cosmi, Charles, Ismael

Comments: Nine to ten spots. The first eight spots look pretty locked in. Charles I think would have to really play himself off. That's already nine. I'm not sure where the team puts Ismael, but they may like him enough to keep him. While the other are flawed, all of Christian, Sharpe, and Martin spent 2020 on the Washington 53 and Larsen has similarly spent the last several years on someone's 53. So there's depth here.

 

Defense (24)

DL (9): Allen, Payne, Sweat, C. Young, Settle, Ioannidis, Smith-Williams, Bradley-King, Toney

Comments: Eight to nine spots. The first six are likely locks, but the last three are not. Toney is likely a swing DE/LB, so that can help both spots. But others can certainly push Smith-Williams or Bradley-King or even Toney

LB (5): J. Davis, Bostic, Holcomb, Hudson, Mayo

Comments: Five to six spots. This is a thin and weak position. As the team has moved to more 4-2-5 formations, keeping more LBs is less important. Also, if Toney can swing down here it'll help. But there's a real lack of guys you feel you need to make room for. Davis, Bostic, and Holcomb should be locks and I don't see who beats out Hudson. But that last spot is wide open.

DB (10): W. Jackson, Fuller, St-Juste, Moreland, Roberts, McCain, Collins, Curl, Forrest, Reaves

Comments: Probably ten players in some combo here, with the team likely leaning more heavy on safety than in years part. The corners seem very likely, though one could try and push Roberts. Safety is a bit more open. Forrest is likely, but not a hard lock on the 53. And Reaves, Everett, and even Apke are likely fighting for one spot.

 

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Hopkins, Way, Cheeseman

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10 hours ago, Jericho said:

Way early Final 53 projection. Obviously injuries will happen and the rookies are a complete unknown. But we're probably looking at something like

 

Offense (26)

QB (3): Fitzpatrick, K. Allen, Heinicke

Comments: Two to three spots in theory, but I think this position has been locked in for some time. The only real question is who is the game day back up for Fitzpatrick?

RB (4): Gibson, McKissic, Barber, Patterson

Comments: Three to four spots. Gibson and McKissic seem like locks. Patterson in part because he's young and has some upside and the rest of the competition is  pretty weak. Barber is very uninspiring, but I suspect is the player many fans wish would be gone, but never is. Maybe Lamar Miller can bump him if he has anything left?

WR (6): McLaurin, Samuel, Humphries, D. Brown, AGG, C. Sims

Comments: Five to six spots. Was tempted to squeeze in Harmon. The only real locks are McLaurin, Samuel, and D. Brown. I feel Humphries should make it, he's only two plus seasons removed from getting a huge contract. So he should still have something left. But his contract is pretty minimal. AGG was drafted as a developmental guy, so while he struggled in year one, I can give him something of a pass. The team clearly likes Cam Sims enough to tender him at two million, so that should be good enough to crack the top 6. Harmon or Milne are the guys that can push their way on this roster in training camp

TE (3): L. Thomas, Bates, Reyes?

Comments: Three spots. Thomas is the starter. Bates should easily make the roster. But the third? I'm highly skeptical Reyes is really going to be good enough this quickly, but the rest of the competition looks pretty darn weak.

OL (10): Leno, Moses, Scherff, Flowers, Roullier, Lucas, Schwitzer, Cosmi, Charles, Ismael

Comments: Nine to ten spots. The first eight spots look pretty locked in. Charles I think would have to really play himself off. That's already nine. I'm not sure where the team puts Ismael, but they may like him enough to keep him. While the other are flawed, all of Christian, Sharpe, and Martin spent 2020 on the Washington 53 and Larsen has similarly spent the last several years on someone's 53. So there's depth here.

 

Defense (24)

DL (9): Allen, Payne, Sweat, C. Young, Settle, Ioannidis, Smith-Williams, Bradley-King, Toney

Comments: Eight to nine spots. The first six are likely locks, but the last three are not. Toney is likely a swing DE/LB, so that can help both spots. But others can certainly push Smith-Williams or Bradley-King or even Toney

LB (5): J. Davis, Bostic, Holcomb, Hudson, Mayo

Comments: Five to six spots. This is a thin and weak position. As the team has moved to more 4-2-5 formations, keeping more LBs is less important. Also, if Toney can swing down here it'll help. But there's a real lack of guys you feel you need to make room for. Davis, Bostic, and Holcomb should be locks and I don't see who beats out Hudson. But that last spot is wide open.

DB (10): W. Jackson, Fuller, St-Juste, Moreland, Roberts, McCain, Collins, Curl, Forrest, Reaves

Comments: Probably ten players in some combo here, with the team likely leaning more heavy on safety than in years part. The corners seem very likely, though one could try and push Roberts. Safety is a bit more open. Forrest is likely, but not a hard lock on the 53. And Reaves, Everett, and even Apke are likely fighting for one spot.

 

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Hopkins, Way, Cheeseman

Looks pretty accurate, only thing I'd probably change out is Everett over Reaves just due to him being a captain. Remember Ron likes leadership and Everett is a very decent back up to McCain. Not only to add Everett signed an extension, but we'll see if his torn pec can hold up.

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10 hours ago, Jericho said:

Way early Final 53 projection. Obviously injuries will happen and the rookies are a complete unknown. But we're probably looking at something like

 

Offense (26)

QB (3): Fitzpatrick, K. Allen, Heinicke

Comments: Two to three spots in theory, but I think this position has been locked in for some time. The only real question is who is the game day back up for Fitzpatrick?

RB (4): Gibson, McKissic, Barber, Patterson

Comments: Three to four spots. Gibson and McKissic seem like locks. Patterson in part because he's young and has some upside and the rest of the competition is  pretty weak. Barber is very uninspiring, but I suspect is the player many fans wish would be gone, but never is. Maybe Lamar Miller can bump him if he has anything left?

WR (6): McLaurin, Samuel, Humphries, D. Brown, AGG, C. Sims

Comments: Five to six spots. Was tempted to squeeze in Harmon. The only real locks are McLaurin, Samuel, and D. Brown. I feel Humphries should make it, he's only two plus seasons removed from getting a huge contract. So he should still have something left. But his contract is pretty minimal. AGG was drafted as a developmental guy, so while he struggled in year one, I can give him something of a pass. The team clearly likes Cam Sims enough to tender him at two million, so that should be good enough to crack the top 6. Harmon or Milne are the guys that can push their way on this roster in training camp

TE (3): L. Thomas, Bates, Reyes?

Comments: Three spots. Thomas is the starter. Bates should easily make the roster. But the third? I'm highly skeptical Reyes is really going to be good enough this quickly, but the rest of the competition looks pretty darn weak.

OL (10): Leno, Moses, Scherff, Flowers, Roullier, Lucas, Schwitzer, Cosmi, Charles, Ismael

Comments: Nine to ten spots. The first eight spots look pretty locked in. Charles I think would have to really play himself off. That's already nine. I'm not sure where the team puts Ismael, but they may like him enough to keep him. While the other are flawed, all of Christian, Sharpe, and Martin spent 2020 on the Washington 53 and Larsen has similarly spent the last several years on someone's 53. So there's depth here.

 

Defense (24)

DL (9): Allen, Payne, Sweat, C. Young, Settle, Ioannidis, Smith-Williams, Bradley-King, Toney

Comments: Eight to nine spots. The first six are likely locks, but the last three are not. Toney is likely a swing DE/LB, so that can help both spots. But others can certainly push Smith-Williams or Bradley-King or even Toney

LB (5): J. Davis, Bostic, Holcomb, Hudson, Mayo

Comments: Five to six spots. This is a thin and weak position. As the team has moved to more 4-2-5 formations, keeping more LBs is less important. Also, if Toney can swing down here it'll help. But there's a real lack of guys you feel you need to make room for. Davis, Bostic, and Holcomb should be locks and I don't see who beats out Hudson. But that last spot is wide open.

DB (10): W. Jackson, Fuller, St-Juste, Moreland, Roberts, McCain, Collins, Curl, Forrest, Reaves

Comments: Probably ten players in some combo here, with the team likely leaning more heavy on safety than in years part. The corners seem very likely, though one could try and push Roberts. Safety is a bit more open. Forrest is likely, but not a hard lock on the 53. And Reaves, Everett, and even Apke are likely fighting for one spot.

 

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Hopkins, Way, Cheeseman

 

RE: TE:

 

Reyes is a project. However, try putting him on the PS with his athletic ability and his work ethic that has now been reported and watch how fast he goes. If he's not ready at all he'll be inactive. If he has things he IS ready for they will utilize him. He's making the team unless he shows no football ability.

 

And based on reports thus far, that's not the case.

 

He will be on the 53. 

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11 hours ago, Jericho said:

Way early Final 53 projection. Obviously injuries will happen and the rookies are a complete unknown. But we're probably looking at something like

 

Offense (26)

QB (3): Fitzpatrick, K. Allen, Heinicke

Comments: Two to three spots in theory, but I think this position has been locked in for some time. The only real question is who is the game day back up for Fitzpatrick?

RB (4): Gibson, McKissic, Barber, Patterson

Comments: Three to four spots. Gibson and McKissic seem like locks. Patterson in part because he's young and has some upside and the rest of the competition is  pretty weak. Barber is very uninspiring, but I suspect is the player many fans wish would be gone, but never is. Maybe Lamar Miller can bump him if he has anything left?

WR (6): McLaurin, Samuel, Humphries, D. Brown, AGG, C. Sims

Comments: Five to six spots. Was tempted to squeeze in Harmon. The only real locks are McLaurin, Samuel, and D. Brown. I feel Humphries should make it, he's only two plus seasons removed from getting a huge contract. So he should still have something left. But his contract is pretty minimal. AGG was drafted as a developmental guy, so while he struggled in year one, I can give him something of a pass. The team clearly likes Cam Sims enough to tender him at two million, so that should be good enough to crack the top 6. Harmon or Milne are the guys that can push their way on this roster in training camp

TE (3): L. Thomas, Bates, Reyes?

Comments: Three spots. Thomas is the starter. Bates should easily make the roster. But the third? I'm highly skeptical Reyes is really going to be good enough this quickly, but the rest of the competition looks pretty darn weak.

OL (10): Leno, Moses, Scherff, Flowers, Roullier, Lucas, Schwitzer, Cosmi, Charles, Ismael

Comments: Nine to ten spots. The first eight spots look pretty locked in. Charles I think would have to really play himself off. That's already nine. I'm not sure where the team puts Ismael, but they may like him enough to keep him. While the other are flawed, all of Christian, Sharpe, and Martin spent 2020 on the Washington 53 and Larsen has similarly spent the last several years on someone's 53. So there's depth here.

 

Defense (24)

DL (9): Allen, Payne, Sweat, C. Young, Settle, Ioannidis, Smith-Williams, Bradley-King, Toney

Comments: Eight to nine spots. The first six are likely locks, but the last three are not. Toney is likely a swing DE/LB, so that can help both spots. But others can certainly push Smith-Williams or Bradley-King or even Toney

LB (5): J. Davis, Bostic, Holcomb, Hudson, Mayo

Comments: Five to six spots. This is a thin and weak position. As the team has moved to more 4-2-5 formations, keeping more LBs is less important. Also, if Toney can swing down here it'll help. But there's a real lack of guys you feel you need to make room for. Davis, Bostic, and Holcomb should be locks and I don't see who beats out Hudson. But that last spot is wide open.

DB (10): W. Jackson, Fuller, St-Juste, Moreland, Roberts, McCain, Collins, Curl, Forrest, Reaves

Comments: Probably ten players in some combo here, with the team likely leaning more heavy on safety than in years part. The corners seem very likely, though one could try and push Roberts. Safety is a bit more open. Forrest is likely, but not a hard lock on the 53. And Reaves, Everett, and even Apke are likely fighting for one spot.

 

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Hopkins, Way, Cheeseman

The only difference in your current projection compared to mine is I have Danny Johnson making the team over Peyton Barber. Pretty minimal difference. 
 

One question I would have for your projection though... who returns kicks and punts? (I’ve been struggling with this myself, which is partly why I had DJ making it still). 

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21 minutes ago, terpfan said:

The only difference in your current projection compared to mine is I have Danny Johnson making the team over Peyton Barber. Pretty minimal difference. 
 

One question I would have for your projection though... who returns kicks and punts? (I’ve been struggling with this myself, which is partly why I had DJ making it still). 

Cheeseman as returner.  Rivera loves that position flexibility.  😲

I agree that it is an issue.  Carrying 10 OL reduces the ability to give a spot to a guy like Carter.  Can Schweitzer play C?  If so, maybe Ismael’s spot isn’t a lock.

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40 minutes ago, terpfan said:

The only difference in your current projection compared to mine is I have Danny Johnson making the team over Peyton Barber. Pretty minimal difference. 
 

One question I would have for your projection though... who returns kicks and punts? (I’ve been struggling with this myself, which is partly why I had DJ making it still). 

I think Carter is going to make the team. I haven’t done a full projection and won’t for awhile most likely. But if Carter does what he was brought in to be able to do it’s him. But obviously if he looks like ****...

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1 hour ago, KDawg said:

 

RE: TE:

 

Reyes is a project. However, try putting him on the PS with his athletic ability and his work ethic that has now been reported and watch how fast he goes. If he's not ready at all he'll be inactive. If he has things he IS ready for they will utilize him. He's making the team unless he shows no football ability.

 

And based on reports thus far, that's not the case.

 

He will be on the 53. 

 

Are you familiar with how the rules work for PS in terms of other teams poaching players?  I remember Indy took one of our picks that we put on the PS a few years back.  It seems like they can just sign them, that we don't get an opportunity to say, "Yo, paws off (or hooves in Indy's case), we want him on our 53."

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25 minutes ago, KDawg said:

I think Carter is going to make the team. I haven’t done a full projection and won’t for awhile most likely. But if Carter does what he was brought in to be able to do it’s him. But obviously if he looks like ****...

Yeah I’m starting to wonder if there is indeed a spot for a designated returner on the roster, whether it be Carter or someone else. Isaiah Wright intrigues me a bit in this role as well - he had 5 return TDs over his college career and flashed some as a WR last year. 

 

I liked the extra CB depth that Danny Johnson would have supplied, but especially with the signing of McCain we have so many good and versatile DBs now I don’t think keeping an 11th one is really necessary. 

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LB (5): J. Davis, Bostic, Holcomb, Hudson, Mayo

Comments: Five to six spots. This is a thin and weak position. As the team has moved to more 4-2-5 formations, keeping more LBs is less important. Also, if Toney can swing down here it'll help. But there's a real lack of guys you feel you need to make room for. Davis, Bostic, and Holcomb should be locks and I don't see who beats out Hudson. But that last spot is wide open.

 

I don't necessarily agree that we are "thin and weak" at LB....Davis is a 1st round pick and Holcomb is an improving player who should be prime for a breakout season. Bostic is a veteran leader type while Hudson enters year two with some upside. I would call our LB corp "young and somewhat raw" especially if Toney makes the team while the upside for this group is definitely there. I believe that's why the coaches picked them all, coachable upside with good athleticism. 

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59 minutes ago, Ball Security said:

Cheeseman as returner.  Rivera loves that position flexibility.  😲

I agree that it is an issue.  Carrying 10 OL reduces the ability to give a spot to a guy like Carter.  Can Schweitzer play C?  If so, maybe Ismael’s spot isn’t a lock.

Schweitzer has been a backup C before in his career so no I don’t think Ismael is a lock. I think Ismael will have to make the team on his own merits, but I actually like him as a player and think he will. An OL on a 6th round rookie contract is a valuable commodity if he shows he can contribute. 

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8 minutes ago, terpfan said:

Schweitzer has been a backup C before in his career so no I don’t think Ismael is a lock. I think Ismael will have to make the team on his own merits, but I actually like him as a player and think he will. An OL on a 6th round rookie contract is a valuable commodity if he shows he can contribute. 

It just seems that 10 OL seems to be a lot considering the flexibility.  If he ends up being the third option off the bench for IOL (Schweitzer and Charles conceivably ahead of him) then he may be expendable in order to get 25th defensive player or a returner.  

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26 minutes ago, Ball Security said:

It just seems that 10 OL seems to be a lot considering the flexibility.  If he ends up being the third option off the bench for IOL (Schweitzer and Charles conceivably ahead of him) then he may be expendable in order to get 25th defensive player or a returner.  

Yep, don’t disagree. Especially if they want to keep 4 RBs for example... 3 QBs, 4 RBs, 7 WRs (one being a returner), 3 TEs, 10 OLs is 27 offensive players... that probably isn’t happening. 

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