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[Malapropismic Depository]

14 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

 

 

 

 

So our resident Texas Tech fan who chimed in after the draft, so far seems to have been 100% about predicting how good Cosmi would turn out

So therefore maybe we should put more stock in ODU resident fan @ODU AGGIE 's prediction of Heinicke's greatness

 

[Burgundy Yoda]

I'm sorry but Gandy-Golden fights with the football every time he catches it, even in his catches against the Bengals they weren't clean and he looked like he was about to drop the ball. Draft status be damned, if Milne looks better than AGG, we'd be fools to expose him on the practice squad. 

[PartyPosse]

18 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

What works for AGG is they drafted him in the 4th round and supposedly he's Scott Turner's guy.

What works for him is he has strong hands and the team doesn’t have a lot of big red zone targets. You make him sound like he’s only still there because of Front Office ego.

[Malapropismic Depository]

3 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't think a HC tries to stash a player on PS, after repeatedly publicly praising him in practice.

Therefore, I predict there's no way Milne goes to PS.

4 hours ago, KillBill26 said:

I would just swap Everett for apke and I agree with you.

 

Coach seems to agree with me on Apke

Not a guarantee, but there's some good indication of it.

[Skinsinparadise]

16 hours ago, stevemcqueen1 said:

 

I'm getting pretty nervous about trying to sneak Milne onto the PS.  But Gandy-Golden would probably be even harder to sneak on there since he was a higher draft pick and more teams probably had a draftable grade in him.

 

I'd cut Carter and keep them both.  Carter has been hyped as a roster lock by the beat writers, but he is a 5'8 28 year old vet with 9 career fumbles in just the three years he's gotten run on active rosters, most of which were on special teams I assume.  Absolutely nothing about that resume says he has any upside and I'm going to be salty if we lose Milne or Gandy-Golden to keep a practice squad JAG.

 

Don't get me wrong moving Milne to the practice squad isn't something I'd do.  But some who (are often right) who cover the team think they might do it because they may go with 6 receivers.   Though they also say its a moving target for the coaches and they haven't decided from what they heard.  And if they go with 6 they think AGG is the favorite.  And the darkhorse might be more Carter than Milne because he's good at returning kicks and supposedly his fumble issues he's put behind him but Milne has a shot.  That's the vibe i got listening to podcasts over the weekend.  But still, things keep changing.  That's one of the purposes of training camp.  it's a running commentary on players.

 

Milne apparently had a big practice today so perhaps that helps push him.  As I've said, I'd love to hear once about AGG having a monster practice.  But unless I missed a report of him having a big day, its not happened yet for him.  Every now and then you hear of a big play here and there for AGG but not so much a monster day.    My point is if they go with 6 WRs maybe Milne does have a shot beating AGG?  It hit me that Milne could beat AGG after reading Rivera's comments on the preseason.

 

I don't know if the math works as for 4 RBs and & 7 WRs but if it does, yeah I'd do it the same way and include both Milne and AGG.  If its just 6, I'd go Milne but not sure if that's what they do.   

16 hours ago, PartyPosse said:

You make him sound like he’s only still there because of Front Office ego.

 

No i don't.   I put a lot of time on AGG on the draft thread and a lot of detail even did so on this thread not long ago.  But I am not giving a full report everytime i talk about him or any player. 

 

I am simply talking about what is the extra that might give him an edge everything being equal.  Keim does it was AGG too.  That is, he likes to mention that he was Scott Turner's guy and don't forget that when it comes to the decision on him.  That doesn't mean that's the only thing that keeps him here.  😀

Edited August 24, 2021 by Skinsinparadise

[Skinsinparadise]

9 minutes ago, Malapropismic Depository said:

 

 

I don't think a HC tries to stash a player on PS, after repeatedly publicly praising him in practice.

Therefore, I predict there's no way Milne goes to PS.

 

Could be.  I hope you are right. 

[Jumbo]

i have due appreciation for agg's positives so far, but i prefer milne without any doubt

 

and i agree with mcqueen---i'd like to keep both at this point and cut carter first...but i also like the deep, very good, 4 rb potential in this offense over a whole season and we have a good slice of already-settled te and wr weapons before we even get to the guys we're parsing here so i dunno 

 

 

[redskinss]

13 minutes ago, Burgundy Yoda said:

I'm sorry but Gandy-Golden fights with the football every time he catches it, even in his catches against the Bengals they weren't clean and he looked like he was about to drop the ball. Draft status be damned, if Milne looks better than AGG, we'd be fools to expose him on the practice squad. 

I noticed that too.

The two point conversion was strong hands and a nice catch but the comebacker from heinicke he looked like he almost dropped it but was able to corral it in his stomach.

To me he's sort of looked like Reyes out there, you can see the potential but you can also see how they lack fluidity and comfort.

 

[Malapropismic Depository]

I agree on AGG.

While he does do some good things, he still has that "fish out of water" look, even when he does do something good.

Almost as if he's learning a new sport, like Reyes.

Then again, he was a superstar gymnast or something like that, plus a Rubix Cube Sportster, as well as a Juggler, so maybe those were his primary sports, and maybe football is like a "2nd language" for him

Maybe when he catches a football, his 'juggling instincts' kick in, and he automatically juggles the ball through muscle memory, LOL

 

Edited August 23, 2021 by Malapropismic Depository

[skinsfan93]

My personal take on the offense is that we keep

 

7 receivers

3 qbs

3 TEs

3 RBs

10 o lineman

 

I think the 7th wideout comes down to Milne vs Carter. 

Edited August 23, 2021 by skinsfan93

[Burgundy Yoda]

25 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

I am simply talking about what is the extra that might give him an edge everything being equal.  Keim does it was AGG too.  That is, he likes to mention that he was Scott Turner's guy and don't forget that when it comes to the decision on him.  That doesn't mean that's the only thing that keeps him here.  😀

Couldn't Milne be a Turner guy too? It's not likely that he's a JDR pick lol. 

Edited August 23, 2021 by Burgundy Yoda

[Morneblade]

I'm not really sold on AGG. I don't think Cams Sims is all that, but he's been better than AGG, and he's bigger.

 

The other thing that kinda confuses me, is having a 3rd down back at this point. I know McKissic is a good receiver, but he's not a blocker at all. While having a 3rd down guy makes sense if you have a start RB that can't catch a cold.......our current RB was a WR in college. I don't know why we don't cut both McKissic and Barber, and see about getting another RB that a real thumper. I don't think Barber is that anymore after dropping weight, and hasn't been very effective from what I have seen this year.I'd keep Patterson, because he is a change of pace guy, has good hands and can be both a runner and a receiver. I just think J.D. is too specialized (he can't pick up a blitz) and Barber just isn't that effective at his role.

[Always A Commander Never A Captain]

Mentioning Apke and McTyer is interesting.  That's 6 CB's unless Moreland is a surprise out of nowhere cut.

 

How do you keep 6 CB's, 7 WR's, 4 RB's, and 3 QB's?  Where's the roster space?  OL/DL have minimum needs.  LB's and Safeties are necessary for special teams.  I think Rivera has to cut someone he really doesn't want to.

[FootballZombie]

As long as Dax does not muff a punt in game 3, I think he has a great shot at getting the return gig over carter even tho he is a rook. Long term Hump replacement potential, and your return man. good value.

 

I don't see them giving up on AGG, especially after dialing up designed plays for him n back to back weeks, so barring a Cam cut, I'm still at 7 Wrs.

[Always A Commander Never A Captain]

3 minutes ago, skinsfan93 said:

My personal take on the offense is that we keep

 

7 receivers

3 qbs

3 TEs

3 RBs

10 o lineman

 

I think the 7th wideout comes down to Milne vs Carter. 

 

That's 26.  Leaving only 24 for defense.  Going to be hard to do that.

[mistertim]

I like AGG's catch radius and size, but if I had to choose between him and Milne right now, I'd also go with Milne. I think he's already a sharper route runner, apparently has great hands, and can return kicks too. If we keep 7, I'd say both of them, but Carter is probably in that conversation as well since he's also a decent kick returner.

[skinsfan93]

2 minutes ago, Morneblade said:

I'm not really sold on AGG. I don't think Cams Sims is all that, but he's been better than AGG, and he's bigger.

 

The other thing that kinda confuses me, is having a 3rd down back at this point. I know McKissic is a good receiver, but he's not a blocker at all. While having a 3rd down guy makes sense if you have a start RB that can't catch a cold.......our current RB was a WR in college. I don't know why we don't cut both McKissic and Barber, and see about getting another RB that a real thumper. I don't think Barber is that anymore after dropping weight, and hasn't been very effective from what I have seen this year.I'd keep Patterson, because he is a change of pace guy, has good hands and can be both a runner and a receiver. I just think J.D. is too specialized (he can't pick up a blitz) and Barber just isn't that effective at his role.

Huh? Most 3rd down backs are small in stature think Darren Sproles. JD showed his value to the team not only as a receiver but also as a runner last year. 

[Burgundy Yoda]

17 minutes ago, Alcoholic Zebra said:

Mentioning Apke and McTyer is interesting.  That's 6 CB's unless Moreland is a surprise out of nowhere cut.

 

How do you keep 6 CB's, 7 WR's, 4 RB's, and 3 QB's?  Where's the roster space?  OL/DL have minimum needs.  LB's and Safeties are necessary for special teams.  I think Rivera has to cut someone he really doesn't want to.

We also signed Darryl Roberts, whom I always seem to forget about. I really haven't heard any noise on him, good or bad. 

 

Edit: I don't think we're keeping 7 WRs, I'd say we go with 6 there. AGG or Milne will be on the practice squad, Carter won't make the roster. We went into this off-season with a ****-load of back-end depth at the WR position so a lot of cuts to players who seem like they belong on a roster were bound to happen. 

 

 

Edited August 23, 2021 by Burgundy Yoda

[Morneblade]

4 minutes ago, skinsfan93 said:

Huh? Most 3rd down backs are small in stature think Darren Sproles. JD showed his value to the team not only as a receiver but also as a runner last year. 

Most teams have a 3rd down back at all is because their primary RB is not a good receiver. That is not the case here. And one of the things a 3rd down back needs to do is to block on a blitz. He can't do that. I don't think we need a specialist to catch the ball out of the backfield when we have a guy that was a WR in college as the primary RB.

[mistertim]

12 minutes ago, Morneblade said:

I'm not really sold on AGG. I don't think Cams Sims is all that, but he's been better than AGG, and he's bigger.

 

Sims isn't really bigger than AGG; they're pretty much the same size.

 

AGG is 6'4 223, Sims is 6'5 220. So Sims is an inch taller but AGG has a few pounds on him.

[Morneblade]

1 minute ago, mistertim said:

 

Sims isn't really bigger than AGG; they're pretty much the same size.

 

AGG is 6'4 223, Sims is 6'5 220. So Sims is an inch taller but AGG has a few pounds on him.

 

He sure does not look it. AGG looks kinda like a beanpole. Learn something new everyday.

[IrepDC]

Milne could take Humphries spot. For all the hype about him having chemistry with Fitz, we haven't seen it. If they look out of sync this week, I'd give that spot to Milne. 

[mistertim]

3 minutes ago, Morneblade said:

 

He sure does not look it. AGG looks kinda like a beanpole. Learn something new everyday.

 

Yeah I know what you mean. I think they have slightly different builds and maybe that's why Sims might look a little more bulky.

[Burgold]

I actually think both Milne and AGG would be safe on the practice squad. AGG really hasn't flashed or done anything to make a scout go "Wow!" Milne has been better, but right now he seems like that James Thrash, high effort guy that every team needs and every team takes for granted. 

 

My guess is Milne is more likely to be grabbed if made available on the PS just because he's a better route runner and receiver. He can help a team now. If you grab an AGG, you are grabbing someone who might be able to help you down the road.

[Morneblade]

1 minute ago, mistertim said:

 

Yeah I know what you mean. I think they have slightly different builds and maybe that's why Sims might look a little more bulky.

 

Exactly. Cam looks like a "big" receiver. Tall, but a big body he can use. AGG looks like a tall dude with a big catch radius, but thin and not someone that can just post up a DB. Cam has done more in actual games, and is young and blocks well. He's not great, and not terrible. I just don't see AGG being really better an anything. So there is a redundancy there, and I'm not going to go with the guy that has done less. Cam has had his share of drops. But Dyami Brown had a drop that was a drive killer, and no one is talking about that. It happens.