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12 hours ago, actorguy1 said:

On Standing's pod, his guest tore them a new one.

The guest “Brendan Darr” is Kevin Sheehan’s producer.  I will be nice and just say that I don’t place much stock in this guy.  He always seems to be negative when it comes the Commanders.

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1 minute ago, Franklin60 said:

I think there is one too many 1s in that argument.


They are counting the fact that they traded for the eagles first this year. No matter how you slice it, Dotson, Robinson, Howell, Turner minus a 6th >>>>>>>>>> Olave minus all of those picks. Like not even close. What the Saints did is something Ceratto would have done.

 

Between this and the fact we are paying all of the guards on the rosters 2/3rd the amount it would have taken to retain Scherff are two examples of roster construction and management that I find very impressive. This has to be THE deepest team on paper heading into the off season and training camp that I can remember. LB and corner are the two spots that I think could still and should still be addressed. If we could grab Collins back and then sign bradberry if he’s let go, I would be thrilled heading into TC.

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14 minutes ago, CommanderCarson said:

Between this and the fact we are paying all of the guards on the rosters 2/3rd the amount it would have taken to retain Scherff are two examples of roster construction and management that I find very impressive. This has to be THE deepest team on paper heading into the off season and training camp that I can remember. LB and corner are the two spots that I think could still and should still be addressed. If we could grab Collins back and then sign bradberry if he’s let go, I would be thrilled heading into TC.

It's interesting how before the draft, many felt we sat on our hands and wasted an opportunity to get better by not being aggressive at the outset of free agency.  People ripped Rivera for not signing more players.   Then after the draft, which many describe as average, now people are excited about the depth of our roster.  

 

Add a piece or two in March/April, maximize number of picks in the draft, and fill holes via free agency after the draft can lead to an improved roster every year.  

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52 minutes ago, Riggo#44 said:

People think the Saints had a good draft? This is some Cerrato-level ****:

 

 

That's absolutely nutso. Two 1sts, a 2nd, two 3rds and a 4th for maybe the 3rd best receiver in a decent but not amazing WR draft?

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4 minutes ago, mistertim said:

 

That's absolutely nutso. Two 1sts, a 2nd, two 3rds and a 4th for maybe the 3rd best receiver in a decent but not amazing WR draft?

 

I'm glad for once we took advantage of someone else's stupidity. Olave may be really good--Dotson may be a bust--but the difference between the two right now, is absolutely not worth that. At all. Again, Cerrato level ****.

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1 hour ago, Riggo#44 said:

Remember, they traded up with the Eagles earlier in the offseason too.

I’m an Eagles fan, so I’m very aware of this. But when they traded next years first, they got a first in return. So the net loss on that trade was a second and third. Obviously they subsequently traded more than that to move to eleven.

 

The package listed in that post wasn’t the price for Olave alone. It also included Penning.

 

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3 hours ago, Koolblue13 said:

If you post something nice about the Eagles 3 times, Franklin arrives and nicely reminds you the Eagles ae a better team. 

On game day with the Commanders & Eagles, who are you pulling for?  Just curious.  I judge not as you are a good soul and a credit to our board.  

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14 hours ago, Koolblue13 said:

If you post something nice about the Eagles 3 times, Franklin arrives and nicely reminds you the Eagles ae a better team. 

I don’t know about that. What I do know is which of our teams has the better quarterback. I’ll give you a hint...it’s not the Eagles.

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10 hours ago, Riggo'sRangers said:

On game day with the Commanders & Eagles, who are you pulling for?  Just curious.  I judge not as you are a good soul and a credit to our board.  

If this is directed at me, obviously the Eagles. I’ve been an Eagles season ticket holder for over fifty years. I only joined this board to gain insight on a division rival because I have a passion for football. I appreciate thoughtful insight, and there is a lot of that here. The discussion is much better here than on the Eagles message board that I participate in. This thread in particular has been a pleasure to read over the past couple of months. I learned a lot about the prospects, though obviously from a Washington point of view. But there was some overlap of positional needs — WR, LB, S in particular — so that helped me a lot. 

 

I’ll heartily root for your team four times this year, and I’ll root for Wentz to play well in eleven other games. 

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On 5/2/2022 at 4:57 PM, KDawg said:

I remember when we had consensus great offseasons. Never turned out well.

 

Yeah exactly.    We stole AGG in the 4th round.  On and on as for draft grades.  :ols:    Sam Darnold and Josh Rosen were steals for their respective teams that drafted them heck even the teams that traded for those players after they sucked in the NFL were brilliant for getting "elite" prospects at a discount. 

 

The ones killing the draft are basically centered on mocks had Dotson in the 20s so why not take a chance and trade down to the 20s and if you lose him, you lose him.  And the others are Mathis and Robinson were drafted too high. 

 

I listened to Thor Nystrom talk about our draft, the dude who gave them the lowest grade a D minus.  They ran through the picks and he liked almost all of the players but he didn't like where they took them and he hated that they traded down.   He went he agreed with them that Dotson was the 5th best receiver.  But since he was low on Robinson he didn't like what they did with the extra picks.  I'll give him that he did like Pierce as the best back at that pick, i agree with him there but to me Robinson was just a hair behind Pierce.

 

To me it would be like being back in college and dating, me liking a girl but hearing from my friends, cool dude that you like her, but she's 8th on our list.  Here's our top choice, date this girl instead.  Not everyone has the exact same tastes.  As Keim said if you want your draft to be praised its not hard to do, just read off the most common mock drafts and pick thir highest graded players.  Simple as that.  But obviously, teams don't do that for a reason.

 

If they like Mathis (who I just watched and really dug and posted on it a few minutes ago on the Mathis thread) and Robinson more than most mock drafters do.  It makes sense to me.  I was a big Robinson guy before the draft.  I was reading Mark Bullock's film review on him the other day and he goes more or less this dude is really good as if he were surprised and he's not just some big bruising thumper but there is much more to him than that.  But yeah if some of the ones who want to be sour on Robinson especially within our local media want to believe they drafted a short yard specialist -- basically to them they used in some of their minds their third round pick to take the next Peyton Barber -- I think they will be very pleasantly surprised. 

 

And for those obsessed with what "others" say about these players.  McGinn's scouts ranked Robinson as the 4th best RB in the draft.  They also had Butler ranked fairly high.  One of their scouts if I recall liked Dotson more than Olave.   They had Paul ranked higher than they took him -- my draft magazine had Paul as a 3rd-4th rounder and Mathis as a 2nd rounder.    Some of the scouts loved Mathis.  Chris Simms thinks Butler is a stud and if I recall did one of the NFL.com anaylists.   McShay digs Mathis.  so if its all about the draft media community is king, they had some fans in that mix too, not that it matters.

 

Todd McShay thinks three Alabama players will be drafted in Round 2

“As usual, there’s a whole bunch of guys that are gonna wind up getting drafted, but I think I would say Phil Mathis is one of them at defensive tackle,” McShay said. “You look at his measurables, he’s kind of solid across the board, nothing exceptional, but the way he plays – how strong he is at the point of attack, how disciplined he is.

 

“He knows how to work the edges as a pass rusher, and to me, he’s a guy that’s just kind of consistent and always around the football and has worked to get everything that he can get out of his body. So I’ve got him as the 46th overall prospect, and I think he’s gonna come off the board in the first half of the second round.”

 

https://247sports.com/college/alabama/Article/2022-NFL-Draft-Todd-McShay-thinks-three-Alabama-Football-players-will-be-drafted-in-Round-2-Phidarian-Mathis-Christian-Harris-John-Metchie-186494242/

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3 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

Yeah exactly.    We stole AGG in the 4th round.  On and on as for draft grades.  :ols:    Sam Darnold and Josh Rosen were steals for their respective teams that drafted them heck even the teams that traded for those players after they sucked in the NFL were brilliant for getting "elite" prospects at a discount. 

 

The ones killing the draft are basically centered on mocks had Dotson in the 20s so why not take a chance and trade down to the 20s and if you lose him, you lose him.  And the others are Mathis and Robinson were drafted too high. 

 

I listened to Thor Nystrom talk about our draft, the dude who gave them the lowest grade a D minus.  They ran through the picks and he liked almost all of the players but he didn't like where they took them and he hated that they traded down.   He went he agreed with them that Dotson was the 5th best receiver.  But since he was low on Robinson he didn't like what they did with the extra picks.  I'll give him that he did like Pierce as the best back at that pick, i agree with him there but to me Robinson was just a hair behind Pierce.

 

To me it would be like being back in college and dating, me liking a girl but hearing from my friends, cool dude that you like her, but she's 8th on our list.  Here's our top choice, date this girl instead.  Not everyone has the exact same tastes.  As Keim said if you want your draft to be praised its not hard to do, just read off the most common mock drafts and pick thir highest graded players.  Simple as that.  But obviously, teams don't do that for a reason.

 

If they like Mathis (who I just watched and really dug and posted on it a few minutes ago on the Mathis thread) and Robinson more than most mock drafters do.  It makes sense to me.  I was a big Robinson guy before the draft.  I was reading Mark Bullock's film review on him the other day and he goes more or less this dude is really good as if he were surprised and he's not just some big bruising thumper but there is much more to him than that.  But yeah if some of the ones who want to be sour on Robinson especially within our local media want to believe they drafted a short yard specialist -- basically to them they used in some of their minds their third round pick to take the next Peyton Barber -- I think they will be very pleasantly surprised. 

 

And for those obsessed with what "others" say about these players.  McGinn's scouts ranked Robinson as the 4th best RB in the draft.  They also had Butler ranked fairly high.  One of their scouts if I recall liked Dotson more than Olave.   They had Paul ranked higher than they took him -- my draft magazine had Paul as a 3rd-4th rounder and Mathis as a 2nd rounder.    Some of the scouts loved Mathis.  Chris Simms thinks Butler is a stud and if I recall did one of the NFL.com anaylists.   McShay digs Mathis.  so if its all about the draft media community is king, they had some fans in that mix too, not that it matters.

 

Todd McShay thinks three Alabama players will be drafted in Round 2

“As usual, there’s a whole bunch of guys that are gonna wind up getting drafted, but I think I would say Phil Mathis is one of them at defensive tackle,” McShay said. “You look at his measurables, he’s kind of solid across the board, nothing exceptional, but the way he plays – how strong he is at the point of attack, how disciplined he is.

 

“He knows how to work the edges as a pass rusher, and to me, he’s a guy that’s just kind of consistent and always around the football and has worked to get everything that he can get out of his body. So I’ve got him as the 46th overall prospect, and I think he’s gonna come off the board in the first half of the second round.”

 

https://247sports.com/college/alabama/Article/2022-NFL-Draft-Todd-McShay-thinks-three-Alabama-Football-players-will-be-drafted-in-Round-2-Phidarian-Mathis-Christian-Harris-John-Metchie-186494242/

 

 

Yeah it weird.  Greg Cosell liked Dotson more than Olave.  He LOVED Brian Robinson.  I'll post the YouTube video links:

 

 

 

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