Ball Security Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 Evidently it’s not the first time Ornato has tried to discredit sworn testimony while not under oath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airborneskins Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 3 hours ago, Califan007 The Constipated said: And if the rest of her entire story can be and is corroborated? What then? They put her in a very tough position by having her testify, under oath, to a rumor that she had heard. Once it officially comes out (via public testimony of those that were in the car) that what she described didn’t occur, she could potentially be brought up on perjury charges. The remainder of what she said could very well be true, however because of that one incident, it will not be looked at as credible. in my personal opinion, I don’t believe that he lunged at the wheel. He may have been very angry and said some things to the DL and driver, however he would have had to go through multiple people to get to the driver and wheel. Also, for those interested, the driver cannot just drive where the President tells him to go. There are plenty of security measures that are put into place prior to any movement. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llevron Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 6 minutes ago, airborneskins said: They put her in a very tough position by having her testify, under oath, to a rumor that she had heard. Once it officially comes out (via public testimony of those that were in the car) that what she described didn’t occur, she could potentially be brought up on perjury charges. The remainder of what she said could very well be true, however because of that one incident, it will not be looked at as credible. No they didn't. She was very clear in her testimony that it was something she heard from someone second hand and that it wasn't denied or confirmed even when given opportunity. They went out of their way to do that to keep her safe. There was never going to be a chance that people who don't want to believe this stuff about Trump would take what she said seriously anyway. We have to understand this by now as a group. It happens over and over. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan since a Fetus Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 6 hours ago, Llevron said: I want to know how he knew they weren’t there with those guns for him. How could you possibly know that? Was it a good guess? well,he is the best guesser. People go up to him all the time, hug and kiss him, and they ask “how could you ever come up with a guess like that.” He then reminds them how he’s a genius and he is the best guesser in the world, unlike Sleepy Joe and the crooked media. They couldn’t guess as good as he does. You’ve never seen a guesser like him. it’s all math 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ball Security Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 10 minutes ago, airborneskins said: They put her in a very tough position by having her testify, under oath, to a rumor that she had heard. Once it officially comes out (via public testimony of those that were in the car) that what she described didn’t occur, she could potentially be brought up on perjury charges. The remainder of what she said could very well be true, however because of that one incident, it will not be looked at as credible. in my personal opinion, I don’t believe that he lunged at the wheel. He may have been very angry and said some things to the DL and driver, however he would have had to go through multiple people to get to the driver and wheel. Also, for those interested, the driver cannot just drive where the President tells him to go. There are plenty of security measures that are put into place prior to any movement. But she didn’t testify to what happened in the vehicle. She testified to what Ornato told her. It be very difficult to prove she perjured herself (I don’t believe she did) unless there was some recording of the meeting. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88Comrade2000 Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 3 hours ago, Califan007 The Constipated said: And if the rest of her entire story can be and is corroborated? What then? If the rest of the story is collaborated, that's good for her but this part of the of the story not being true, damages what she said. I am not so sure the committee will be able to collaborate the other parts of her story. The people they need to collaborate; will not testify. I view this as a misstep. People are orgasming that, we got Trump now. Trump Will never go to jail, because there will be at least one maga juror that will neverc convict him. I think he gets competition for The 24 nomination and isn't a lock. If that happens, he becomes irrelevant. Considering there was a large swath of people involved to pull off the coup; I hope this committee at least leads to those people going to jail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llevron Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 I'm realizing now that a lot of you play down to your competition. Like you don't understand the difference in significance between this car testimony and testimony that Trump tried to knowingly send a armed mob to the capital. And I know you all do. Its embarrassing that you keep acting dumb because the same idiots who believed ingesting horse dewormer are still acting dumb. Like we dont know the drill by now. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 23 minutes ago, airborneskins said: They put her in a very tough position by having her testify, under oath, to a rumor that she had heard. Once it officially comes out (via public testimony of those that were in the car) that what she described didn’t occur, she could potentially be brought up on perjury charges. The remainder of what she said could very well be true, however because of that one incident, it will not be looked at as credible. in my personal opinion, I don’t believe that he lunged at the wheel. He may have been very angry and said some things to the DL and driver, however he would have had to go through multiple people to get to the driver and wheel. Also, for those interested, the driver cannot just drive where the President tells him to go. There are plenty of security measures that are put into place prior to any movement. It wasn't a "rumor." She related a conversation with two persons, minutes after the incident, and one of those persons - head of security detail "Bobby" Engel - was IN THE CAR. Engel listened to Ornato's retelling of the incident and said nothing to dispute or contradict what was said. Try to fathom any rational reason why a 25 year old Trump loyalist would fabricate -under oath - such a story . There is no explanation. And in any case, that minor detail is a drop in the bucket compared to the rest of her testimony. Sucks that the focus is on that one salacious detail. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sacks 'n' Stuff Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 1 hour ago, PeterMP said: If we can assume that all of this is enough of a hit on Trump, that he can't win the Republican party and that somebody (e.g. Desantis) becomes the nominee, is it enough to protect our republic? Last I checked, Trump was still super comfortably ahead in polling for the GOP nomination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertim Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 4 minutes ago, Dan T. said: It wasn't a "rumor." She related a conversation with two persons, minutes after the incident, and one of those persons - head of security detail "Bobby" Engel - was IN THE CAR. Engel listened to Ornato's retelling of the incident and said nothing to dispute or contradict what was said. Try to fathom any rational reason why a 25 year old Trump loyalist would fabricate -under oath - such a story . There is no explanation. And in any case, that minor detail is a drop in the bucket compared to the rest of her testimony. Sucks that the focus is on that one salacious detail. She wouldn't. This is pure distraction, nothing more. It's pretty telling that with so much incredibly damning testimony the best the right can do is try to get people to focus on one of the details of one of the smaller revelations. Next it will be "RIDICULOUS! KETCHUP? EVERYONE KNOWS THERE WAS MUSTARD ON THAT PLATE! SHE'S A LIAR! DON'T LISTEN TO HER!" The thunderous silence from most of the GOP on that hearing is notable as well. At least before the GOP was tweeting dumb **** like "All. Old. News." Now they're just completely mum. 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 Tell us what you saw. The man entered the bank, brandished a gun, and demanded all the cash. When the teller moved too slowly, the man shot her, then shot three other customers in the lobby, jumped over partition, and emptied all the registers. He ran out the door, jumped into a waiting red car, which sped off. The car was MAROON. Perjury! Your story is false. But there are four dead bodies and thousands of dollars are gone. LALALALALAL I can't hear you. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CjSuAvE22 Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Llevron said: Trump tried to knowingly send a armed mob to the capital. Right but how many people that broke into the capital on jan 6th were actually armed? With bats fire extinguishers and belts? Capital police should be embarrassed they allowed this to happen Edited June 29, 2022 by CjSuAvE22 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertim Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 Just now, CjSuAvE22 said: Right but how many people that broke into the capital on jan 6th were actually armed? Does it matter? He was explicitly told that there were armed people in the crowd and he directed them to go to the Capitol anyway. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86 Snyder Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 41 minutes ago, Llevron said: No they didn't. She was very clear in her testimony that it was something she heard from someone second hand and that it wasn't denied or confirmed even when given opportunity. They went out of their way to do that to keep her safe. There was never going to be a chance that people who don't want to believe this stuff about Trump would take what she said seriously anyway. We have to understand this by now as a group. It happens over and over. Speaking of not wanting to believe… 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 (edited) 45 minutes ago, Llevron said: No they didn't. She was very clear in her testimony that it was something she heard from someone second hand and that it wasn't denied or confirmed even when given opportunity. They went out of their way to do that to keep her safe. You know that. I know that. Others know that. Yet it doesn’t matter. And we know that too (I realize you kind of basically said the same thing in the rest of your post…) Edited June 29, 2022 by tshile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corcaigh Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 5 minutes ago, CjSuAvE22 said: Right but how many people that broke into the capital on jan 6th were actually armed? With bats fire extinguishers and belts? Capital police should be embarrassed they allowed this to happen Do you think shooting Ashley Babbitt was the correct decision? Do you think more of the people entering the Capitol with violence as their intent should have been shot? How many lives would you have been OK with the Capitol police taking to stop the invasion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertim Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 Every single one of these people (Miller, Trump, whoever) going online or on TV and saying Hutchinson was lying under oath should go before the committee and say that under penalty of perjury. The more Trump sycophants that come out of the woodwork now to try and discredit her, the more panicked they clearly are. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 41 minutes ago, 88Comrade2000 said: If the rest of the story is collaborated, that's good for her but this part of the of the story not being true, damages what she said. In what possible way? lol...Unless you're saying that even with corroborating evidence that proves she's telling the truth, people will still think she's lying solely due to some anonymous hearsay claiming she is. Which, if that is what you're saying, nobody alive should give two ****s about what that segment of the population thinks about any of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llevron Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 1 minute ago, Califan007 The Constipated said: In what possible way? lol...Unless you're saying that even with corroborating evidence that proves she's telling the truth, people will still think she's lying solely due to some anonymous hearsay claiming she is. Which, if that is what you're saying, nobody alive should give two ****s about what that segment of the population thinks about any of this. They have been a lost cause since alternative facts was a thing. I wish more people would get this. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, airborneskins said: They put her in a very tough position by having her testify, under oath, to a rumor that she had heard. Once it officially comes out (via public testimony of those that were in the car) that what she described didn’t occur, she could potentially be brought up on perjury charges. Did she testify that she heard the rumor, of did she testify that she directly saw it happen? If the former, that's not perjury. In any event, none of the people claiming what she said is wrong have been sworn so, until that happens, you can safely assume they are lying. And any one of them agreeing to be sworn in would be the most shocking thing I can imagine happening related to the Jan 6 committee. Edited June 29, 2022 by PleaseBlitz 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertim Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 Yeah, testifying under oath and penalty of perjury >>> screaming on social media and Fox News 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purbeast Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 12 hours ago, Destino said: I know next to nothing about The Beast, other than it has a terrible nickname Hey now... 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purbeast Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 1 hour ago, 88Comrade2000 said: collaborate 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mooka Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 Trump lunging at his Secret Service in the car is a huge nothing-burger and is hearsay on top of it. Which is why conservative media is all over it. Hopefully they move on to something else really fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 53 minutes ago, PleaseBlitz said: And any one of them agreeing to be sworn in would be the most shocking thing I can imagine happening related to the Jan 6 committee The two agents have supposedly said they will testify that the account she told was inaccurate (Which I realize doesn’t make her a liar or call the rest of what she said into question, she was clear she was relaying what she was told and did not witness it herself) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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