Riggo-toni Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 35 minutes ago, Simmsy said: I know Guiliani's claim to fame is being "America's Mayor" and taking down the NYC mob. How, exactly? How did he manage to do any of these things? It's shocking to me how far he has sunk - I can't help but think his mind has gone with age. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 Not surprised at all about the military representation. honestly the more patriotic someone appears to be the more likely they are to be a trumper and one of these people, in my experience. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, tshile said: Not surprised at all about the military representation. honestly the more patriotic someone appears to be the more likely they are to be a trumper and one of these people, in my experience. My wife gave me a sweatshirt with an F-18 Hornet on it, and the word Hornet is spelled out with a flag motif. I definitely feel self conscious wearing it because I think you're right,, typically that is part of their uniform. ~Bang 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Larry Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 45 minutes ago, tshile said: Not surprised at all about the military representation. honestly the more patriotic someone appears to be the more likely they are to be a trumper and one of these people, in my experience. I'm not surprised, although I'll point out an alternate possible explanation. I would assume that people who have served in the military are more likely to participate in rallies, protests, or riots, than the general population. They're more likely to get off the sofa and go try to personally do something. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88Comrade2000 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 For all those ex military or current military that participated; take their benefits. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 1 hour ago, tshile said: Not surprised at all about the military representation. honestly the more patriotic someone appears to be the more likely they are to be a trumper and one of these people, in my experience. The insurrectionists have a shallow or even sick and twisted view of what "patriotism" is. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatBuzz Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 1 hour ago, tshile said: Not surprised at all about the military representation. honestly the more patriotic someone appears to be the more likely they are to be a trumper and one of these people, in my experience. I will point out that only 2 of those arrested were actually active duty. I think the headlines are a bit misleading. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88Comrade2000 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 You know some of these Trump terrorists ; didn’t even vote in November. This thread shouldn’t be about the riot. There was no riot, it was a terrorist attack by the Trump terrorists. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88Comrade2000 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 I would add the gop to that. Pound that over and over. Trump- GOP Terrorist attack. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
China Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 1 hour ago, TheGreatBuzz said: I will point out that only 2 of those arrested were actually active duty. I think the headlines are a bit misleading. How so? There was this part: Quote 14%, are current or former members of the US military. That is more than double the proportion of servicemen and women and veterans in the adult US population Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatBuzz Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 53 minutes ago, China said: How so? There was this part: Not sure which article you read but from CNN article: Quote Analysis by CNN of Pentagon records and court proceedings show 21 of the 150, or 14%, are current or former members of the US military. But further down: Quote Two of those arrested are in the Army, and two are National Guardsmen. Of the 17 veterans, six are former Army, eight are former Marines, two served in the Navy, and one was in the Air Force. https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/31/us/capitol-riot-arrests-active-military-veterans-soh/index.html So only 2 were active duty. There were also 2 Guard. And then 17 veterans. So roughly 1% of those arrested were active duty. The same population percentage compared to the rest of society. it is a lot harder to control what veterans do compared to active duty. And it would be a lot scarier if that large of a percent participating in an insurrection aimed at the Capitol building were active duty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 7 minutes ago, TheGreatBuzz said: it is a lot harder to control what veterans do compared to active duty. And it would be a lot scarier if that large of a percent participating in an insurrection aimed at the Capitol building were active duty. Ok. So I get the point of the clarification. from my perspective it doesn’t really matter if they’re active or former. The idea is these people signed up to protect the constitution and instead they’re aligned with a cult of personality and what scares me even more is along the lines of what you said - it’s way harder for active duty members to participate in something like this. They can’t just miss work, or might be stationed far away, and for a while at least they had distance restrictions they could travel from covid (or at least some branches did/do.). So how many more active people are on this “side” of things but couldn’t do anything about it... (and maybe it doesn’t matter. Idk) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
China Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 3 minutes ago, TheGreatBuzz said: Not sure which article you read but from CNN article: But further down: https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/31/us/capitol-riot-arrests-active-military-veterans-soh/index.html So only 2 were active duty. There were also 2 Guard. And then 17 veterans. So roughly 1% of those arrested were active duty. The same population percentage compared to the rest of society. it is a lot harder to control what veterans do compared to active duty. And it would be a lot scarier if that large of a percent participating in an insurrection aimed at the Capitol building were active duty. Yes, the number of active duty participants was small. But It's not just about active duty. The overall rate of participation for active and former was more than double the amount for the current US population. Former military are still bound by the Uniform Code of Military Justice and their oath to defend the Constitution. Them being former doesn't excuse them. They should know better. Not long ago the Supreme Court affirmed that Military retirees can still be court-martialed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatBuzz Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 5 minutes ago, tshile said: Ok. So I get the point of the clarification. from my perspective it doesn’t really matter if they’re active or former. The idea is these people signed up to protect the constitution and instead they’re aligned with a cult of personality and what scares me even more is along the lines of what you said - it’s way harder for active duty members to participate in something like this. They can’t just miss work, or might be stationed far away, and for a while at least they had distance restrictions they could travel from covid (or at least some branches did/do.). So how many more active people are on this “side” of things but couldn’t do anything about it... (and maybe it doesn’t matter. Idk) Oh it is definitely still concerning. And just being around military people every day, I know there is a scary number that are too extreme for comfort. But I did think it was an important distinction. The percentage of active duty was not above the percentage of society they make up. It was the number of veterans that were a notably larger percentage that what they make up in society. 4 minutes ago, China said: Yes, the number of active duty participants was small. But It's not just about active duty. The overall rate of participation for active and former was more than double the amount for the current US population. Former military are still bound by the Uniform Code of Military Justice and their oath to defend the Constitution. Them being former doesn't excuse them. They should know better. Not long ago the Supreme Court affirmed that Military retirees can still be court-martialed Former military are not necessarily bound by the UCMJ. Things like being inactive reserve come into play also. Note that the case you referred to mentions retirees, not all veterans. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 What was the percentage of law enforcement participation? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 50 minutes ago, TryTheBeal! said: What was the percentage of law enforcement participation? Capitol Police, or out of town? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Larry said: Capitol Police, or out of town? Ha! Let me clarify...what percentage of those arrested were active or veteran law enforcement? As a point of comparison to the 14% military stat. Edited February 2, 2021 by TryTheBeal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The 12th Commandment Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 32 minutes ago, LD0506 said: And plenty of money for biscuits and gravy, apparently. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostofSparta Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 3 hours ago, TryTheBeal! said: What was the percentage of law enforcement participation? 40%? Not sure, for some reason I just feel like police and 40% belong together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ball Security Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 15 minutes ago, Cooked Crack said: I guarantee you she hasn’t read the book. It’s way too long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerPacker Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 4 minutes ago, Ball Security said: I guarantee you she hasn’t read the book. It’s way too long. Plus, it's got a bunch of words in it. In print! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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