Est.1974 Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 22 hours ago, lovemaskins said: Here’s a thought I had the other day: if we had a 2020 draft do-over knowing what we know now about Haskins and Allen and Chase Young, should we have selected Tua or Justin Herbert at 2 or still selected the generational pass rusher? Sadly, deep down I think we knew then exactly what we know now. You’d take a QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterPinstripe Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 11 minutes ago, UK SKINS FAN 74 said: Sadly, deep down I think we knew then exactly what we know now. You’d take a QB. Yeah, QB trumps all. For me it would be Herbert, trade back some for someone to take Young and then have a QB. Is there anyone that wouldnt trade a potential monster DE for a franchise QB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OVCChairman Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 22 minutes ago, MisterPinstripe said: Yeah, QB trumps all. For me it would be Herbert, trade back some for someone to take Young and then have a QB. Is there anyone that wouldnt trade a potential monster DE for a franchise QB? I think there are two schools of thought here. There is something to be said about getting a team built that can win with mediocre QB play, and finding 'the guy' takes that team from consistently competitive, to elite. See current KC Chiefs team. A lot of the belief is, as you put it, QB trumps all. The QB can have the biggest influence down in, and down out, but at times it that player is greatly limited by the team they are on... See current GB Packers. The Steelers had 3 winning seasons with Kordell Stewart and Tommy Maddux, then a down year... the following year they drafted Ben Roethlisberger. Look at the Eagles history. They have had exactly 3 losing seasons in the last 10 (since McNabb left). They did that with Vick, Foles, Sanchez, Bradford and Wentz. Their worst season was 4-12 with Vick at QB. New England is the standard... what everyone strives to be. They have had arguably the best QB to ever play the game. Brady is viewed literally as 1 of 1. We may never see anyone be able to execute he position as well as he has ever again. Russell Wilson, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, and Aaron Rodgers are the only 4 QBs to prove they can truly carry a team to the promised land... and you could even argue Rodgers... He took over a 13 - 3 team. He has no help from his front office right now and they had two down years prior to last season. This year GB looks tough but we will see what happens in the playoffs. I think I still take Young but the conversation is much more difficult to have now. I probably would have tried to flip Haskins for a 2nd or a 3rd in the offseason as it would have been much easier to write off as "new regime, not their guy" conversation... of course if I did that and didn't take a QB early the analysts would have a field day with me... but who cares.... and for this exercise, I knew then what I know now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Est.1974 Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 2 hours ago, MisterPinstripe said: Yeah, QB trumps all. For me it would be Herbert, trade back some for someone to take Young and then have a QB. Is there anyone that wouldnt trade a potential monster DE for a franchise QB? I think it’s obvious too, you’d take Herbert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiscoBob Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 I think we're back to #5 with the chance to get to #4 based on the Dallass game... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoggingGod Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 Take Zach Wilson. You just have to if he’s there and Fields isn’t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
method man Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 5 minutes ago, JoggingGod said: Take Zach Wilson. You just have to if he’s there and Fields isn’t. Yep. The "we need to build a OL first" crowd needs to shut it...that is what FA is for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 Wilson is my guy too but I wouldn't be angry at all if we took Penei Sewell. I wouldn't touch any other OL though in the 1st round. I only like Sewell because he's generational. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiscoBob Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 13 minutes ago, method man said: Yep. The "we need to build a OL first" crowd needs to shut it...that is what FA is for. Start building with your punter, your place kicker, and your long snapper... gotta go punter in the first 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris 44 Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 25 minutes ago, DiscoBob said: I think we're back to #5 with the chance to get to #4 based on the Dallass game... Cowboys playing inspired football v Pittsburgh. ...see if it lasts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 Lets go Dallas. You heard me right. They win today they could put us in position to potentially take Fields. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 25 minutes ago, JoggingGod said: Take Zach Wilson. You just have to if he’s there and Fields isn’t. 19 minutes ago, method man said: Yep. The "we need to build a OL first" crowd needs to shut it...that is what FA is for. Im actually a build the OL first crowd guy. But it’s obvious how bad this franchise is in need of a guy to believe in right now. It’s so, so needed from a morale stand point. Fields likely isn’t going to be there for us... so it looks like Wilson be the guy we draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallen5862 Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 Tankathon has Washington drafting %th and selecting QB Trey Lance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichmondRedskin88 Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 44 minutes ago, Warhead36 said: Wilson is my guy too but I wouldn't be angry at all if we took Penei Sewell. I wouldn't touch any other OL though in the 1st round. I only like Sewell because he's generational. So is Chase but that’s yet to be truly proven to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 I've seen I think enough to know that Fields is likely a pure stud of a QB. I'd be as jazzed to get him as I was Chase -- simply because you need a franchise QB to win. And Fields looks to me borderline slam dunk. The runner ups for me are Zach Wilson and Trey Lance albeit right now my take on Lance is purely just related to watching highlights and reading about the dude. I've dived some into Wilson so I am much more confident as to my opinion on him. At this point, I am hoping for a high round pick versus meaningless wins. We aren't going anywhere IMO without a QB so that's where my focus is in the first round. Clinton Portis said this in one interview when he was asked why this team can't get over the hump. And to paraphrase one of his points to that question was he more or less said they can't get over the hump because they are never bad enough to get the top QB or 2nd best QB in a loaded NFL draft, they are always shopping in that next pool. He talked about them missing out on elite players period. It's not a reach (some NFL insiders have made this point) to say that Haskins, Ramsey, Campbell were all 2nd round type QB talents let alone the top of the heap type of talent. Yeah sometimes you can get lucky shopping for a QB who isn't per se considered top of the heap. But the odds aren't with you. If we keep going 6-10 verus 2-14 at the right time -- we will unlikely break out of this funk. And if all these QB prospects come out in this draft, this is the right time IMO to get a QB. And I know its unpopular with some to root for tanking. I ended up doing it last year when the season got out of hand and Chase Young was in sight. Now I am doubling down on it, we need a Chase Young on offense. And I can care less about some meaningless win on the course of a season that isn't headed anywhere near the big dance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 54 minutes ago, KDawg said: Im actually a build the OL first crowd guy. But it’s obvious how bad this franchise is in need of a guy to believe in right now. It’s so, so needed from a morale stand point. Fields likely isn’t going to be there for us... so it looks like Wilson be the guy we draft. I am a big O line guy. But I do agree that you need that guy at QB that this team can believe in. We've done some dances under Dan with big time offensive supporting casts (some of the Jay years). Big time O lines (some of the years under Gibbs 2). Big time running games (Gibbs 2, Shanny). And big time defenses (some of the years during Gibbs 2). The common denominator for this team's failures has been QB. Dan's era has been comically bad at it and if we finally break out of that funk I think that will help bring some needed belief in this franchise's fortunes being turned around. In theory at least, this might end up to be an intriguing year for QBs in the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carex Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 On 11/4/2020 at 2:00 PM, UK SKINS FAN 74 said: Sadly, deep down I think we knew then exactly what we know now. You’d take a QB. I sure as hell wouldn't. Hell, Chase as a Giant with Geron Christian at LT probably ends Justin Herbert's career in his first year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PartyPosse Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, carex said: I sure as hell wouldn't. Hell, Chase as a Giant with Geron Christian at LT probably ends Justin Herbert's career in his first year Lions would have taken him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zCommander Posted November 9, 2020 Author Share Posted November 9, 2020 With Dallas losing tonight they pick #3, Giants #4 and we are now at #5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 9 minutes ago, zskins said: With Dallas losing tonight they pick #3, Giants #4 and we are now at #5. The Giants beat us twice and still have a better pick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petey hodge Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 I'm buying a bunch of green jerseys... GO J.E.T.S. JETS, JETS, JETS!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carex Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 11 minutes ago, KDawg said: The Giants beat us twice and still have a better pick? it's a bye week thing. We're 2-6 with a .250 winning percentage, they're 2-7 for .222 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philibusters Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 14 minutes ago, KDawg said: The Giants beat us twice and still have a better pick? Serioiusly. I thought it was based on the opponent win percentage. To date NYG have played Pittsburgh and Tampa Bay. How can their schedule to date be easier than ours given that? Nevermind. The Giants are 2-7 and we are 2-6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zCommander Posted November 9, 2020 Author Share Posted November 9, 2020 22 minutes ago, KDawg said: The Giants beat us twice and still have a better pick? We are 2-4 in conference and they are 2-6. We have also played one less game than them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 1 hour ago, carex said: I sure as hell wouldn't. Hell, Chase as a Giant with Geron Christian at LT probably ends Justin Herbert's career in his first year It’s silly to say with what we’ve seen of Herbert that he wouldn’t have been the right pick. Of course he would have, with hindsight, he’s a natural and a stud out there. The Giants wouldn’t have gotten Young in that scenario anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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