2021 Comprehensive Draft Thread

[Skinsinparadise]

Breer covering what some scouts told him about the draft

 

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Picks that I liked …

NFC exec: “I liked Jonathan Taylor to Colts. Fits their mentality and is a hell of a good player. Never understood, and still don’t, as to why most people thought he wasn’t the top runner—6,000 yards in the Big Ten, when everyone knows he’s getting the ball and still can’t stop him, is impressive.”

AFC GM: “I like Darrell Taylor to Seattle. Fits their mentality and mold at DE perfectly.

NFC scout: “Kenneth Murray. That salty defense [L.A. Chargers] gets a stud in the middle that will be there a long time. Joey Bosa, Melvin Ingram, Derwin James and now Murray? Sign me up.”

AFC scouting director: “Zach Baun to the Saints—steal, three-down LB with a big upside at pick 74 (obviously the diluted sample was an issue).”

AFC exec: “Liked Xavier McKinney pick by the Giants. Good football player with versatility, a first-round talent they acquired in the second.”

AFC college scouting director: “Clyde Edwards-Helaire to the Chiefs. Best RB in the draft, fits into a perfect offense. Going to be miserable to matchup with that offense. Also, Kristian Fulton to the Titans. Arguably the third best CB in the draft at the end of the second.”

AFC exec: “Edwards-Helaire for K.C. was a great pick to add to their offensive firepower.”

NFC exec: “Kenneth Murray was a great pick/fit for the Chargers. Although they needed OL, they went with best player on board and got a leader and someone who should be an impact player. … Josh Uche was a great pick for the Patriots at No. 60. Good fit and great value at that pick. … I really like the fits for Clyde Edwards-Helaire in K.C. and D’Andre Swift in Detroit. Clyde has great feet, burst and very elusive and makes K.C.’s offense that much better, which says a lot. Swift will be a dynamic change-of-pace runner with Kerryon Johnson and Bo Scarbrough in Detroit. He was the right fit at RB for them.”

AFC scouting director: “NYG OG Shane Lemiuex. Got him in fifth round, but in their situation he could push to start at center, based on who they already have at guard. Getting a fifth-rounder who might start for you is value.”

NFC exec: “I thought Dallas’s Neville Gallimore in the third was a really good pick—we tried to get him … This guy, he’s raw, but to get an in-line rusher in the third round, that’s a really good get, especially when there were no edge guys available. It’s all upside with him. That was a guy that stuck out, that he was still available.”

Classes I was impressed with …

NFC exec: “I liked the 49ers on the strength of their two first rounders. And then Colts and Ravens, I thought, got a lot of value out of a bunch of their picks.”

NFC scout: “Baltimore. Just a throwback Ravens draft class. Inside linebacker and running back with their first two picks? Sorry, draft twitter. But that plays in that division. And bang for your buck—New Orleans. Adam Trautman was probably the second best TE, Cesar Ruiz the best center and Zach Baun was a second-round caliber player.”

AFC exec: “I thought Denver got good value on each day of the draft: Jerry Jeudy … K.J Hamler/Lloyd Cushenberry/McTelvin Agim … Justin Strnad/Tyrie. Cleveland. New Orleans didn’t have much draft capital but got three quality players with their first three picks. K.C.’s first two picks are potential difference-makers if they hit. Jets got good value on each day and didn’t panic for needs. Drafted without emotion which I admire.”

AFC GM: “Atlanta—high character and three starters with the first three picks.”

AFC exec: “Liked the Cowboys draft. Really good value on the majority of their picks. First three picks will be eventual starters.”

AFC exec: “The Vikings’ first four picks were good additions, as well as the rest of their draft, in terms of depth to their roster.”

NFC exec: “Saints. Minnesota had a load of picks but this might not be the best time to load up on back of the draft talent with no OTA’s and a very limited offseason. So I understand New Orleans’s thought process making that trade. Trade and get a few good players rather than holding onto a number of late-round picks that will be limited in their development with a shortened off season.”

AFC college scouting director: “NYG. Joe Judge put his stamp on this class. Potentially three starting OL and a versatile player for the defense in Xavier McKinney.”

AFC scouting director: “Baltimore. Added upgrades and long-term starters at ILB in Patrick Queen and Malik Harrison, who complement one another well with Harrison the downhill run defender and Queen the athlete, then added skill players on offense that bring some speed in J.K. Dobbins and Devin Duvernay, and another DL with inside-rush ability in the Texas A&M kid, Justin Madubuike.

NFC exec: “Really liked Denver’s draft, they’re doing their best to give the quarterback weapons. And they need a left tackle, but didn’t reach for one at 15, and they didn’t reach in the second round. They just let the draft board fall to them. The corner (Iowa’s Michael Ojemudia), I’m not as high on. But they did well to get Lloyd Cushenberry, Agim McTelvin and the tight end from Missouri (Albert Okwuehbunam) where they did.

 

Head scratchers

 

 

AFC GM: “Jordan Love. Why?”

NFC scout: “Damon Arnette to Oakland seemed like a reach. But also Kyle Dugger over Jeremy Chinn, and Devin Asiasi and Dalton Keene over TEs still on the board by New England, and also a kicker in the fifth round who was not getting drafted.”

AFC exec: “New England’s draft was kind of average, other than the Dugger kid who is from a Division II school, but was one of the better players during Senior Bowl practice. … Like Jaylon Johnson but otherwise I’m not sure what Chicago is doing taking a raw “Y” TE in the second round after investing so much in Jimmy Graham. Maybe going to more 12 personnel with Nick Foles like they did in Philly? Run the ball, protect the ball and play good defense?”

AFC scouting director: “QB Jordan Love to Green Bay. Too many holes to waste Aaron Rodgers’s backend—how long will he be there and is he good with the head coach? And Cole Kmet to the Bears. How many tight ends do you need? They have 10!”

AFC college scouting director: “Arnette to the Raiders. Good player but could have gotten him later and it is a high price to pay for a guy with questionable character.”

AFC exec: “Jordan Love to the Packers is top of the head scratchers because of the presence of Aaron Rodgers and their need of wide receivers. All of Miami’s first-round selections were head-scratchers. Medical risk with Tua and two other guys who were questionable first-round picks.”

NFC exec: “I don’t get the Jalen Hurts pick. … Didn’t like the Bears draft. Tight end was not much of a need and although Kmet is a good player he is not a difference-maker. At a time when the Bears needed to take a step forward, I don’t think they achieved that with this draft. Jaylon Johnson was their best pick.”

NFC exec: “The one where we were happy with was when Vegas took Arnette. That was a head-scratcher. He’s a good player, but most teams had second/third, every time we interviewed him, he was late, there was always something. … They vouch for him at the school, and he brings juice. But giving him money in Vegas would scare me a little.”

[Skinsinparadise]

1 hour ago, HTTRDynasty said:

 

Just following up for clarity on my point here.

 

 

 

If I ran with Keim's version of what was offered a 2nd rounder and a third.  That's a really nice haul, too. 

[kingdaddy]

Regarding the supplemental draft and the chance that there could be several potential studs available, how cool would it be if we turned the 3rd round pick we got for Trent into one of those potential studs? Maybe that 3rd round pick has potential 1st round value after all?????

[Skinsinparadise]

I just watched 2 games of Kyle Pitts.  That dude IMO will be a star TE in the NFL.

 

They line him everywhere, inside, outside, slot.  Plays some H back.  He separates like a receiver and is fast.  6 "6 and 240 pounds I figure he can put on hopefully 10 pounds of muscle.  Probably because of his lack of girth, as a blocker he is decent at it but can get pushed back when he pass blocks.  I like him more as a run blocker.  He reminds me a little of Thaddeus Moss as a blocker in that he's a willing blocker, undersized as for weight but still locks into his assignments and gets in front of the defender and holds his block typically long enough.

 

But he's so dynamic for a TE.  He is good at the seam, routes in the flat and can threaten vertically.   He would be by a mile the most dynamic TE measured by the 2020 class.  Kmet for example can move even though he doesn't have top speed.  Albert O does have top speed but IMO doesn't play to that speed.  Pitts on the other hand looks like a 4.5 guy or maybe even faster and can get to that speed fast, has loose hips, he's a natural athlete.  I bet he tests well in the combine both as to the speed and agility exercises.  Also he is a good contested catch and YAC guy.  He had some drops but by and large has strong hands.  I'd love a dude like that for this offense.   

 

 

Edited April 30, 2020 by Skinsinparadise

[KDawg]

I’m trying to not read other peoples takes on guys too much before I evaluate on my own. Trying not to be swayed! Hoping to be through everyone in a month or two.

 

But damnit that was a good read SIP. Now, I have to pretend I don’t see your posts

Edited April 30, 2020 by KDawg

[volsmet]

PENEI SEWELLT, OREGON DUCKS

Oregon HC Mario Cristobal said that junior T Penei Sewell's power is like "nothing [he's] ever seen before."

Cristobal was a guest on Yahoo Sports' draft show last Thursday and did not hold back on his high esteem for Sewell as a prospect, saying that, the 6-foot-6, 330-pound star possesses "the most explosive power that [he has] ever seen as an offensive line coach or a head coach." And if anybody knows what he's talking about with offensive line evaluations, it's Cristobal, who worked previously as an OL coach at Miami, Alabama and Oregon (prior to taking over as head coach with the Ducks in 2018). Cristobal also said that he believes that Sewell "could play comfortably" at 375 pounds. Yowza. Sewell will enter the 2020 season with top-3 draft potential for next April should he declare over the winter.

SOURCE: Yahoo Sports

Apr 30, 2020, 2:58 PM ET

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[Malapropismic Depository]

8 minutes ago, volsmet said:

PENEI SEWELLT, OREGON DUCKS

Oregon HC Mario Cristobal said that junior T Penei Sewell's power is like "nothing [he's] ever seen before."

Cristobal was a guest on Yahoo Sports' draft show last Thursday and did not hold back on his high esteem for Sewell as a prospect, saying that, the 6-foot-6, 330-pound star possesses "the most explosive power that [he has] ever seen as an offensive line coach or a head coach." And if anybody knows what he's talking about with offensive line evaluations, it's Cristobal, who worked previously as an OL coach at Miami, Alabama and Oregon (prior to taking over as head coach with the Ducks in 2018). Cristobal also said that he believes that Sewell "could play comfortably" at 375 pounds. Yowza. Sewell will enter the 2020 season with top-3 draft potential for next April should he declare over the winter.

SOURCE: Yahoo Sports

Apr 30, 2020, 2:58 PM ET

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South Pacific produces another great one !

[JamesMadisonSkins]

I’d take Sewell with the 1st round supplemental pick if the season is cancelled and he’s in the supp draft. Worth it. Question is does Cincy pass on him? I’d settle for Jamar Chase as a consolation 

[Going Commando]

Agreed.  Sewell would be worth a first round supplemental pick for sure.  He's a top five lock for next season.

 

I honestly think he could end up being a Joe Thomas/Orlando Pace level OL prospect.  The Chase Young of this year's class.

[Renegade7]

Might not be a college season this year and still made this thread, bold, I like it.

 

 

[Est.1974]

3 hours ago, JamesMadisonSkins said:

I’d take Sewell with the 1st round supplemental pick if the season is cancelled and he’s in the supp draft. Worth it. Question is does Cincy pass on him? I’d settle for Jamar Chase as a consolation 

I always thought it was the same drat order, but have just read this below. Would be interesting to know if anyone on here knows for sure? We’d be in the highest picking group which is still anywhere in the top 10...but I have no ideas if this is correct....

 

Teams are divided into three groups based on their performance during the previous season. Teams that won six or fewer games form one group, non-playoff teams that won more than six games form a second, and playoff teams third.  A lottery determines the draft order within each group and teams with worse records have a greater chance of drawing a higher pick.

[JamesMadisonSkins]

@UK SKINS FAN 74 interesting. I wonder if teams even know where they are in the order. How does the draft even proceed. If you’re Washington do you put in a 1st round pick for 4-5 guys and get whoever you have at your spot when you’re turn is up? Usually there aren’t more than 1-2 guys worth drafting and it’s with late round picks. No idea how it would work with multiple first round caliber players 

[Est.1974]

3 minutes ago, JamesMadisonSkins said:

@UK SKINS FAN 74 interesting. I wonder if teams even know where they are in the order. How does the draft even proceed. If you’re Washington do you put in a 1st round pick for 4-5 guys and get whoever you have at your spot when you’re turn is up? Usually there aren’t more than 1-2 guys worth drafting and it’s with late round picks. No idea how it would work with multiple first round caliber players 

I’ve had the same thought process. Interesting. Let’s see if it gets talked about as time passes towards July.

[KDawg]

7 minutes ago, JamesMadisonSkins said:

@UK SKINS FAN 74 interesting. I wonder if teams even know where they are in the order. How does the draft even proceed. If you’re Washington do you put in a 1st round pick for 4-5 guys and get whoever you have at your spot when you’re turn is up? Usually there aren’t more than 1-2 guys worth drafting and it’s with late round picks. No idea how it would work with multiple first round caliber players 

 

You put in a first bid if you want to lose a first bid in the 2021 Draft.

 

Whatever you bid, if you're awarded the player, you lose in the next NFL Draft. 

 

Player eligibility is also a bit of a question. You're only eligible if your status changed for eligibility between the NFL Draft declaration deadline and the Supplemental.

 

The NFL could allow for the coronavirus to give players an exemption, but then they crush next year's draft.

 

Having said that, if Leatherwood were to be able to declare, and did, I put in a 2 on him. One is too hefty with the talent in the first round, especially if we wind up picking there. 

Edited May 1, 2020 by KDawg

[JamesMadisonSkins]

@KDawg

 

EDIT. Nevermind. Most of the players in my hypothetical aren't even eligible for the supplemental.

Edited May 1, 2020 by JamesMadisonSkins

[KDawg]

A lot of those guys weren't eligible for the 2020 Draft by years out of HS, therefore not eligible for the 2020 Supplemental.

 

@JamesMadisonSkins

[JamesMadisonSkins]

5 minutes ago, KDawg said:

A lot of those guys weren't eligible for the 2020 Draft by years out of HS, therefore not eligible for the 2020 Supplemental.

 

@JamesMadisonSkins

 

AH. I missed that. Okay, so I think the only players from that group that were eligible for 2020 were Micah Parsons and DeAndre Smith.

 

That makes the supplemental draft a lot less sexy haha.

 

Well, if Parsons, Smith and Leatherwood were to enter, I'm torn. I guess I would be on the fence on those 3. Leatherwood would be solid for sure. Smith would have likely gone R1 ... Parsons probably would have been a Top 15 pick. But not sure I would sacrifice our 2021 1st for any of those players right now, unless you (Ron and Kyle) are confident we will be picking outside the Top 10. Because I would hate to give up a chance on Lawrence, Sewell or Chse if we were to end up with a Top 3 pick. I would put 2nd round bids on all 3 though.

Edited May 1, 2020 by JamesMadisonSkins

[Est.1974]

8 minutes ago, JamesMadisonSkins said:

 

So the Redskins are up. Let's say we put in bids for Sewell, Chase, Lawrence, Ross, Smith and Parsons ... in that order.

I think you could only put one bid in per round you have one pick. Maybe two in say the third where we now have 2 picks?

Edited May 1, 2020 by UK SKINS FAN 74

[JamesMadisonSkins]

Just now, UK SKINS FAN 74 said:

I think you could only put one bid in per round you have one pick. Maybe two in say the third where we now have 2 picks?

 

Right. But I assume you can rank them. If you had multiple players you would value a 1st with ... but one of them is gone, I assume you would want the other guy remaining. I don't THINK the supplemental goes pick by pick and teams submit when their pick is up but I could be wrong. It would make sense to go pick by pick, but I always assumed teams put in bids ahead of time.

[Est.1974]

Just now, JamesMadisonSkins said:

 

Right. But I assume you can rank them. If you had multiple players you would value a 1st with ... but one of them is gone, I assume you would want the other guy remaining. I don't THINK the supplemental goes pick by pick and teams submit when their pick is up but I could be wrong. It would make sense to go pick by pick, but I always assumed teams put in bids ahead of time.

blind ballot, you just submit your choice/round in advance I believe. 

[JamesMadisonSkins]

2 minutes ago, UK SKINS FAN 74 said:

blind ballot, you just submit your choice/round in advance I believe. 

 

That's what I thought. So I assume in the event that there are multiple high-caliber prospects, that teams will be able to rank-choice multiple per round.

 

If we put Leatherwood, Parsons and Smith in for our 2nd round pick and we are up 2nd, I would hope that if Leatherwood goes to the team with pick #1, we'd still get Parsons or Smith (whoever we had next). That seems obvious to me at least.

[Est.1974]

7 minutes ago, JamesMadisonSkins said:

 

That's what I thought. So I assume in the event that there are multiple high-caliber prospects, that teams will be able to rank-choice multiple per round.

 

If we put Leatherwood, Parsons and Smith in for our 2nd round pick and we are up 2nd, I would hope that if Leatherwood goes to the team with pick #1, we'd still get Parsons or Smith (whoever we had next). That seems obvious to me at least.

I would think the obvious approach is you just say - I want player ‘A’ in round 2

 

Not I want player A, but if he’s gone I’ll have B and if he’s gone I’ll have C

 

But I’m not clear on the exact process.

 

 

[JamesMadisonSkins]

@UK SKINS FAN 74 Interesting. But then you are taking a pretty big gamble on who could/could not be there. So you have to sit there and take a guess at who is available at your pick well ahead of time. That seems way too unpredictable to me. I have to imagine if there is a spike in players entering the supplemental draft that they might update it to be less blind and at least round-by-round and allowing teams to submit multiple players/ranks per round to account for the sheer number of qualified players that might fall in each round.

 

Side note: Could you imagine adding Leatherwood, Parsons or Smith as a 2nd round supplemental? That would be so nice. That said, I would think most of those players would be gone to teams at the back-half of Round 1 that might gamble on landing a potential 2021 Top 10 pick given their odds of selecting in that range are quite low.

[Est.1974]

1 minute ago, JamesMadisonSkins said:

then you are taking a pretty big gamble on who could/could not be there. So you have to sit there and take a guess

yeah I think that’s the whole premise of the supp draft to be honest.

[nonniey]

12 hours ago, JamesMadisonSkins said:

I’d take Sewell with the 1st round supplemental pick if the season is cancelled and he’s in the supp draft. Worth it. Question is does Cincy pass on him? I’d settle for Jamar Chase as a consolation 

Like Lawrence, Sewell won't be eligible to enter the NFL until 2021. He has to be out of high school for 3 years. 

 

edit. See you already caught it.

Edited May 1, 2020 by nonniey