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KDawg

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17 minutes ago, stevemcqueen1 said:

Watching Nick Chubb today, found myself thinking that Cam'Ron Harris is like a not-quite-as-good version of him.  Similar build.  Not as shifty or patient, but more bruising.

 

10 minutes ago, stevemcqueen1 said:

Watching Kamara now, and I don't like my Travis Etienne comparison to him any more.  Kamara is much lighter on his feet and has better hips, and he's not a power runner at all.  Etienne is a slashing runner who is more like Dalvin Cook in style.  He wants to win with power more than elusiveness.

 

Harris is that. Agree. 

 

Etienne reminds me of Ekeler. Just more umph to him and more pedigree. 

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3 hours ago, Redwolves92 said:

I think qb has to be the pick for us, without one we wont go anywhere. im watching justin fields highlights and interviews. how do you guys think he stacks up vs dwayne coming into the league?  

I'm not a huge fan of Fields. He puts up good stats like all Ohio State quarterbacks do, but the ball does not come out of his hands like I like to see. Some guys you can just tell when that ball flies out of their hands, they have the perfect velocity and trajectory on it. I saw it when Murray, Tua, and Burrow all threw the ball, I also see it with Trevor Lawrence. Fields leaves the pocket a little too soon and looks to run a bit too frequently, instead of keeping his eyes down the field. 

 

Now, Fields is a lot more accurate than Dwayne, I think that becomes obvious when you watch them both at Ohio State (ignore the completion % from Dwayne being higher and just look at ball placement). Fields will be better than Dwayne, but I'm not seeing "franchise QB". 

 

I'm not big on Trey Lance either, he has a super long wind-up motion when he throws and his team is just so much better than everyone else's in his division, the issue is he's not hitting those WRs in great spots and they're having to adjust even when they're wide open.

 

Lawrence is easily the best QB prospect in this class, if we're in the top 3 and just outside of the 1st pick, we definitely should consider trading up for him. 

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I am not as high on Fields. To be fair, I have absolutely not enough knowledge about the nuances of QB play to make a sophisticated judgement but just from the eye test, something bothers me. I only watched a handful of complete games but just from watching his highlights I think he has some accuracy issues as he often underthrows players or is a little behind. Also he doesn't throw that pretty of a ball, there were some wobblers on his deep throws. Not sure and some of the experienced scouts here could definitely convince me otherwise. His athleticism is intriguing obviously and you could design an explosive offense around him but I am not sure he is a Top-10 talent for me.

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Loved Chinn before the last draft

 

 

 

55 minutes ago, KDawg said:

I think we need to really focus on interior OL. Yes, we need an upgrade at LT. But the interior line is imperative to developing a QB... whether  it’s Haskins or someone else. 

 

Yep, for a great tackle i typically think first rounders.  For guards -- early 2nd, early 3rd which I think we end up drafting can be the sweet spot.  Martin needs to be replaced.  I like Scherff more than most but injuries every year and he's going to want big money.

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My current offseason roadmap... (This changes the more we know for sure...)

 

1. Target Ertz as a FA. If he makes it there, throw whatever we have to in order to get him in a Washington uniform.

  • Why Ertz? Well, he's an excellent pass catching tight end and okay as a blocker. But he can line up in the slot. And that helps us with two issues.
  • It also allows Logan Thomas to be the #2 tight end, which is a much better spot for him to be in. Less pressure, but can still make some plays and get chances.

 

2. Figure out safety. Both spots.

  • Landon Collins is struggling as a strong safety. Weak coverage. Too much back and forth movement for him to do what he does best. If the team can find both a FS and a SS that can play, I'd repackage Landon instead of cutting him. Move him to a nickel outside backer role. Where he is near the LoS, playing flats in coverage, playing the run. I think he'd excel in that role. 
  • Can Curl play?
  • There are good safety options in the draft.

3. This is listed as 3, but it's priority 1. Sort the line.

  • I think we can snag a guard in the second round of the draft. Trey Smith/Wyatt Davis/Jaxson Kirkland/Deonte Brown/Alijah Vera-Tucker/Cade Mays/Jack Anderson/etc... are all guard candidates. We could walk out of this draft with two of them, depending. Right now, Vera-Tucker is probably among my favorites (which isn't consensus), but I like all of these guys. Davis and Smith are studs. Kirkland is under the radar a little bit. There is also the possibility that Saahdiq Charles can play a guard spot.
  • Ismael is liked, apparently, by the team. If Roullier moves on, we may have our guy there.
  • With those moves we have re-tooled 60% of the line. If we get 2 guards and Charles can play a tackle, that's 80% of the line. 

4. QB OR LT as top draft priority

  • How we finish makes a difference. If Haskins doesn't develop, we're in the QB market. I'm not really big on paying a guy big money, but the franchise has to get right tracked. So I look at Dak/Stafford/Newton/even Wentz/even Jameis if those guys are available. Take a look at the vet market, put out feelers. If we don't want/like those guys, we are drafting a QB at the top of the draft board. Lawrence, Lance, Fields... Lawrence is the best of the bunch prospect wise... Lance has a long wind up but the best dual threat from what we've seen of him thus far... Fields has some Ohio State in him but he's a much different passer than Haskins. 
  • If we have a QB (vet or Haskins) and we're in position for Sewell, he is the BPA. If we're picking further back I'm not 100% sure where we go yet. 

 

There's obviously a lot more... But these 4 things would change the franchise's trajectory. Quickly. 

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There is a guy called Baer Hunter who is playing Guard for App State and appears in PFF's team of the week. Even though his parents ****ed up the spelling of his first name that's a badass name at a position of need. Would also be a great name to have on any NFC North team outside of Chicago 😄

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49 minutes ago, Panninho said:

There is a guy called Baer Hunter who is playing Guard for App State and appears in PFF's team of the week. Even though his parents ****ed up the spelling of his first name that's a badass name at a position of need. Would also be a great name to have on any NFC North team outside of Chicago 😄

 

 

Could always call him Beer Hunter, too. 

 

I'm in.

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9 hours ago, Riggo#44 said:

I saw NDST had it's season cancelled this year--which means Lance has one year's starting experience. Hard, hard pass. So, unless we get a top-2 pick, we are going to go with God knows what next year.


Hope he trains hard and gets ready for the Senior Bowl type games because he’s going to need a very strong showing... wonder if he stays...

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1 hour ago, KDawg said:


Hope he trains hard and gets ready for the Senior Bowl type games because he’s going to need a very strong showing... wonder if he stays...

 

I would go back to school, if I was him. He has impressive athleticism, but I would worry about injury (he lowered his shoulder like a RB in a couple of videos I watched), his release had a bit of a windup, as far as I could tell. Hard to assess accuracy and mechanics for me, other than that.

 

Chances are he'll be a mid-to-late 1st rounder, but could slip into the 2nd with experience questions. I think he'd be a major reach where we're picking--and any ascension he gets as we approach draft time is people talking themselves into his selection, because he is a QB. Like we did with Haskins...well, like Snyder did with Haskins. Bears watching, but maybe we take Sewell and build around the eventual QB. I would probably rate Trask over him, right now.

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@Anselmheifer

 

Kyle Pitts was I believe my first evaluation of ths season.  I watched so many TEs in the last two drafts that it was easy for me to see how explosive Kyle is in comparison. As I said then, he moves like a receiver.  Probably to my eyes he's the most explosive TE I've seen -- compared to anyone in the last 2 drafts.  I'd love to have him -- stud. 

 

 

 

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https://www.pff.com/news/college-football-top-10-performances-2021-nfl-draft-prospects-week-4

1. TE KYLE PITTS, FLORIDA

Pitts' performance Saturday wasn’t simply stud tape by tight end standards, it was stud tape by wide receiver standards, as well. He got open nearly at will and at every level of the field. And even when he wasn’t open, Pitts was hauling in passes.

 

His combination of athleticism and ball skills is unlike anything we’ve seen at the tight end position in recent classes. The true junior finished with eight catches for 170 yards, four scores and two broken tackles on the day.

2. QB KYLE TRASK, FLORIDA

For as good as Pitts was, Trask wasn’t too far behind. He finished with an elite 90.0-plus overall grade and had four big-time throws on 43 dropbacks. It was a far cry from the quarterback who had only nine big-time throws all last season. He looked so much more comfortable pushing the ball down the field and giving his guys chances to make plays.

 

The sort of accuracy he showed when throwing into tight windows or to closely guarded receivers was something we didn’t get to see nearly as much in 2019. For the quarterback many have tabbed as “this year’s Joe Burrow,” he had a Burrow-esque Week 1.

3. WR JAYLEN WADDLE, ALABAMA

Waddle made his 34 pass plays against Missouri count on Saturday. His eight catches for 134 yards and two scores are obviously impressive on their face, but the way they came makes it all the more breathtaking. Waddle took 23 snaps as an outside receiver, equalling his entire 2019 total in that role. He showed the ability to get off the line of scrimmage and attacked the ball instead of letting it come to him.

 

That’s not always the case for a lot of speed receivers, but it’s something he’ll have to do in the NFL.

4. CB ROGER MCCREARY, AUBURN

The true junior was in a small rotation for Auburn’s No. 2 corner spot across from Noah Igbinoghene last year and has now transitioned to a full-time starter on the outside. He still looks a bit skinny at his listed 6-foot, 188 pounds, even though he’s gained nearly 10 pounds since arriving on campus.

He makes up for that lack of size with some pretty legit athleticism. Even though Kentucky isn’t necessarily known for its passing prowess, McCreary was still in hip pockets all game. He allowed only one catch on three targets for two yards and added a 100-plus yard pick-six where he read the quarterback's eyes on the goal line before coming off his guy in man coverage for the interception.

 

5. QB K.J. COSTELLO + RB KYLIN HILL, MISSISSIPPI STATE

I grouped these two together because they’re in a similar vein. Costello showing he can handle a volume passing offense, a ridiculous 30 dropbacks under pressure (out of 65) and SEC defenses while still play winning football was huge for his draft stock. He had six big-time throws along with three turnover-worthy plays en route to 623 passing yards, five scores and two picks.

 

Hill’s work in the passing game, as well, will be invaluable for his draft stock. His 10 targets in this game were nearly halfway to his total of 23 in 2019, while his 155 yards are only 25 short of his 2019 total. The way he attacked the ball away from his body is exactly what you want to see from a pass-catching back, and his three broken tackles after the catch are, too. Mike Leach’s offense is going to be fun with these two in charge.

 

6. ED ALI GAYE, LSU

The JUCO transfer made his presence felt right out the gate for LSU. At 6-foot-6, 262 pounds, Gaye is a long, powerful, pocket-pushing type of defensive end. He racked up 11 pressures on 49 pass-rushing snaps, including a sack and a hit. Gaye showed adept hand usage, too, but he’s going to be limited physically.

His burst off the line of scrimmage left a good deal to be desired, and he was terribly stiff getting around the edge. A few more of those nine hurries should have translated into sacks or hits if he was able to get back to the quarterback.

7. WR ELIJAH MOORE, OLE MISS

While there was certainly some “fluff” in Moore’s 10-catch, 227-yard performance, what he did with the ball in his hands was incredibly impressive. He averaged over 10 yards per reception after the catch and broke four tackles.

 

He’s got the type of speed and YAC-ability to be a vertical slot type of player in the NFL. He saw 61 of his 78 snaps come in the slot in Week 4. He looks like he’s taken a considerable step forward after a sophomore year where he caught 67 passes for 850 yards with 13 broken tackles.

8. CB RODARIUS WILLIAMS, OKLAHOMA STATE

Saturday’s game against West Virginia was easily a career day for the redshirt senior cornerback, and that’s saying something. That’s because Williams has already started 41 games in his college career. He’s played in every game for Oklahoma State since he was a freshman, and it looks like he’s putting it all together this season.

He had four pass breakups on four targets this past weekend, as the Mountaineers' receivers couldn’t get vertical on him. In two games this year, Williams hasn’t given up any yards on seven targets. That’s called playing your way up draft boards.

9. ED JORDAN SMITH, UAB

At 6-foot-7, 255 pounds, Smith is in a nearly identical mold of defensive end as Ali Gaye. The redshirt junior looks to have bulked up a good deal from last year when he racked up 52 pressures and earned a 91.5 pass-rushing grade. Through three games this season, Smith is already at 16 pressures and a 90.7 pass-rushing grade. This past weekend, he dominated Southern Alabama’s offensive line and finished with four stops on the day.

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10. OT LARRY BOROM, MISSOURI

You might be asking, “Who?” Don’t worry, I asked that too. And the answer would be the tackle the player who just pitched a shutout against Alabama. He didn’t get beaten once on 46 pass-blocking snaps, including 14 true pass sets.

The redshirt junior certainly qualifies as a jumbo tackle at his listed 6-foot-6, 332 pounds. He’s far more nimble than you’d expect at that size, however, as he played basketball in high school. After allowing 20 pressures across four different positions in his first year as a starter in 2019, Borom looks to have taken a considerable leap with his technique at right tackle this season.

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