volsmet Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 With only 1 pick in the top 85, Buffalo had 4 guys drafted by pick 84. Unbelievable job by the Bills once again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tibbidoe Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 Why do the Rams leave it up to me to fix their crappy offensive line every year? 😡 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PartyPosse Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 I got hosed because I was under the impression Anthony Harris would have been gone by now. im more or less right there with 2 secondary, 1 OL and 1 WR though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerPacker Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 I've got 4 remaining undrafted players at this juncture. I expect Joe Bachie to get drafted at some point, and probably Josiah Coatney. Knipp and Berry were odd late-round fliers that I never assumed would be drafted. I'll be interested in what they make of themselves after the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reaper Skins Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 I nailed two late round Cardinals picks. Rashard Lawrence and Evan Weaver. Go me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallen5862 Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 What did I miss on TE Hunter Bryant? I selected him with pick #119 in the Mock draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goskins10 Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 Well based on the pure spread and several not getting drafted - this is the worst year I have as a GM. But you wait and see - my guys will all be pro-bowlers and your's will all be at home! Why? Because I said so! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinny21 Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 Ok, so how the actual draft played out vs my picks for the Texans... little strange Texans take Blacklock at 40. It was a coin flip between Blacklock and Taylor for me, I took the latter (he ends up going 41st). Texans trade 57 for Cooks. I take Madabuike (he went 71st). Texans take Greenard at 90. My ‘target’, Greenard goes right before my pick - that was a kick in the nuts. I take Hunt. Post roster lock, the picks changed - Texans now had 2 4ths. I traded up for a second 4th. Texans then went OT (Heck), corner (Reid) and then receiver (Coulter in the 5th) After taking an OT/G last rd, I went corner, then receiver also. Anywho... Total pick differential for me is +5. Not great, but I feel pretty good about it. 40 Johnathon Taylor - actual 41 57 Justin Madabuike - actual 71 90 Robert Hunt - actual 39 111 Reggie Robinson - 123 159 Isaiah Hodgins - actual - 207 240 Bryce Huff - UDFA (Jets) 250 Simon Stepaniak - actual 209 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duffy Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 2020 ES Mock Draft Results (Baltimore Ravens) / ACTUAL RESULTS #28 Denzel Mims - WR - Baylor / #59 New York Jets (-31) Nearly went C. Ruiz here #47 Neville Gallimore - DL - Oklahoma / #82 Dallas Cowboys (-35) Would have been a WR if I hadn't taken Mims #60 Clyde Edwards-Helaire - RB - LSU / #32 Kansas City Chiefs (28) This was the plan all along. Surprised he went so early #92 Troy Dye - LB - Oregon / #132 Minnesota Vikings (-40) #106 Damien Lewis - OG - LSU / #69 Seattle Seahawks (37) #129 Amik Robertson - CB - LA Tech / #139 Las Vegas Raiders (-10) Pretty close. Really like this player #143 Tyre Phillips - OL - Mississippi State / #106 Baltimore Ravens (37) #183 Dalton Keene - TE - Virginia Tech / #101 New England Patriots (82) I like Keene, but never expected him to go this early #225 Kenny Robinson, Jr. - S - XFL / #152 Carolina Panthers (73) Cheat code. Robinson wasn't listed on many big boards since he wasn't in college #238 Trevon Hill - EDGE - Miami / Undrafted 💩 (-17) Dart throw. I missed +124 overall Didn't do as well as I expected, but the back nine saved me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chump Bailey Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 Las Vegas Raiders Actual #12 QB JUSTIN HERBERT ~ #6 LOS ANGELES CHARGERS ~ 6 #19 WR TEE HIGGINS ~ #33 CINCINNATI BENGALS ~ (14) #80 S KYLE DUGGER ~ #37 NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS ~ 43 #81 LB DAVION TAYLOR ~ #103 PHILADELPHIA EAGLES ~ (22) #91 CB DARNAY HOLMES ~ #110 NEW YORK GIANTS ~ (19) #121 RB ANTHONY MCFARLAND ~ #124 PITTSBURGH STEELERS ~ (3) #196 WR JOHN HIGHTOWER ~ #168 PHILADEPHIA EAGLES ~ 28 #206 DT BRODERICK WASHINGTON ~ #170 BALTIMORE RAVENS ~ 36 #226 S TANNER MUSE ~ #100 LAS VEGAS RAIDERS ~ 126 #233 CB STANTLEY -OLIVER-JONES ~ #221 CAROLINA PANTHERS ~ 12 +193 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PartyPosse Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 Recapping the Kurt Cousins' led Minnesota Vikings Draft Rd. 1 #22 - Kristian Fulton - CB LSU - Tennessee #61 Rd. 1 #25 - Grant Delpit - CB LSU - Browns #44 Rd. 2 #58 - Shane Lemieux - G - ORE - Giants #150 Rd. 3 #84 - Antonio Gandy-Golden - WR - Liberty - Redskins #142 Rd. 3 #105 - Julian Okwara - EDGE - ND - Lions #67 Rd. 4 #132 - Benito Jones DT - MIS - UD Rd. 5 #155 - Quintez Cephus - WR - WIS - Lions #166 Rd. 6 #205 - Kenny Willekes - EDGE - MSU - VIKINGS #225 Rd. 7 #219 - Anthony Gordon - QB - WSU - ID Rd. 7 #253 - Jake Hansen - IOL - ORE - GB #208 I don't even wanna add it up. I got killed on my first three. At least I nailed Kenny WIllekes in the 6th and technically Minny went QB in the 7th at 244, just not the one I thought they would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chump Bailey Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 23 minutes ago, PartyPosse said: Recapping the Kurt Cousins' led Minnesota Vikings Draft Rd. 1 #22 - Kristian Fulton - CB LSU - Tennessee #61 Rd. 1 #25 - Grant Delpit - CB LSU - Browns #44 Rd. 2 #58 - Shane Lemieux - G - ORE - Giants #150 Rd. 3 #84 - Antonio Gandy-Golden - WR - Liberty - Redskins #142 Rd. 3 #105 - Julian Okwara - EDGE - ND - Lions #67 Rd. 4 #132 - Benito Jones DT - MIS - UD Rd. 5 #155 - Quintez Cephus - WR - WIS - Lions #166 Rd. 6 #205 - Kenny Willekes - EDGE - MSU - VIKINGS #225 Rd. 7 #219 - Anthony Gordon - QB - WSU - ID Rd. 7 #253 - Jake Hansen - IOL - ORE - GB #208 I don't even wanna add it up. I got killed on my first three. At least I nailed Kenny WIllekes in the 6th and technically Minny went QB in the 7th at 244, just not the one I thought they would. That's an excellent draft friend. No need to hang your head in the least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drowland Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 Recapping Browns draft #10 Javon Kinlaw - DT / #14 - 49ers (-4) #33 Erza Cleveland - OT / #58 - Vikings (-25) #74 Malik Harrison - LB / #98 - Ravens (-24) #115 Antonio Gibson - RB / #66 - Redskins (+49) #187 Khalid Kareem - DE / #147 - Bengals (+40) #244 Jared Mayden - S / UDFA (-11) Final result +25, not bad. Top 3 picks I got in the correct round and Gibson and Kareem went a full round + earlier. I'm kicking myself because I was between Darnell Mooney and Mayden for #244 and went Mayden. Mooney ends up going #173 in the 5th. I listened to Daniel Jeremiah on that one who thought Mayden would go in the 5th or 6th 🙄. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerPacker Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 I decided to double-analyze this year's draft. Once where I compare the values of our picks versus where they went in the real draft, and once where I compare the values of the real picks versus where they went in our draft. I then took the difference between the two to see who did the best compared to their real life counterpart. Eat your heart out, Gutekunst. NFL GMs liked my draft more than random people on the internet liked yours! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volsmet Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 The Bills did big things without any picks in the top 50, but we should have just taken Wannum or Rodgers over Ducros, sometimes the appeal of randomness is too alluring. Good times again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComManDersFan57 Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 On 4/27/2020 at 12:36 AM, PokerPacker said: I decided to double-analyze this year's draft. Once where I compare the values of our picks versus where they went in the real draft, and once where I compare the values of the real picks versus where they went in our draft. I then took the difference between the two to see who did the best compared to their real life counterpart. Thanks for taking the time to do this. I usually do a similar comparison but haven't had time yet this year. Hopefully I'll be able to soon. The algorithm I've used is fairly simple. I take the Jimmy Johnson values of each team's mock pick and compare them to the values of the actual picks. The total for each team is then divided by the number of picks to get an average value. If mock players aren't actually picked, I put them at pick number 256. My draft was fairly decent. I took a chance on taking Xavier McKinney in round 1 but he wasn't taken until early in round 2. However, my 2nd round pick, Jalen Reagor, was taken by the Eagles in round 1. Yay me. My best pick difference wise was Jordyn Brooks. He was taken by the Seahawks with pick 27 and I took him in round 3 at pick 103. I blew it on A.J. Green at pick 146. He wasn't drafted and will certainly lower my score substantially. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 Explain it to me like I'm 5 what that real value, mock value, differential stuff means, please. I don't know if I'm good or bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tibbidoe Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 I've been bored, so I got the ES GM Draft results from @goskins10 from 2016-2020 and have been putting them all together in a single excel file. If there's interest, I want to assign an actual value to players, starting from the ES Mock and continuing year-to-year. It'll be based on the following (or something simliar, if anybody has better suggestions): A- The difference between where the player was drafted in the mock vs real draft B- Round player was drafted in mock draft C- Points for a player selected in the same overall slot as the real draft D- Points for being selected by the same team as the real draft E- Points lost for selecting a player who isn't drafted in real draft F- Points for selecting offensive/defensive rookie of the year G- Points for player making the All-Rookie team H- Points for selecting offensive/defensive player of the year I- Points for player making the All-Pro team J- Points for each Pro Bowl selection player gets K- Points for player being named league MVP L- Points for player being named Super Bowl MVP M- Point for each game played N- Points for making it to the Hall of Fame (irrelevant until years from now) Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chump Bailey Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 13 minutes ago, tibbidoe said: I've been bored, so I got the ES GM Draft results from @goskins10 from 2016-2020 and have been putting them all together in a single excel file. If there's interest, I want to assign an actual value to players, starting from the ES Mock and continuing year-to-year. It'll be based on the following (or something simliar, if anybody has better suggestions): A- The difference between where the player was drafted in the mock vs real draft B- Round player was drafted in mock draft C- Points for a player selected in the same overall slot as the real draft D- Points for being selected by the same team as the real draft E- Points lost for selecting a player who isn't drafted in real draft F- Points for selecting offensive/defensive rookie of the year G- Points for player making the All-Rookie team H- Points for selecting offensive/defensive player of the year I- Points for player making the All-Pro team J- Points for each Pro Bowl selection player gets K- Points for player being named league MVP L- Points for player being named Super Bowl MVP M- Point for each game played N- Points for making it to the Hall of Fame (irrelevant until years from now) Thoughts? Sounds great and thanks for the effort! I got a C in statistics so I'll leave the heavy thinking to yourself and others Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tibbidoe Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 39 minutes ago, Chump Bailey said: Sounds great and thanks for the effort! I got a C in statistics so I'll leave the heavy thinking to yourself and others lol I'm just like excel. haha Still have quite a bit to finish, but if anybody knows much about formulas, I'll be happy to turn it over to get the scoring. I'm assuming there's an easier way than line-by-line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volsmet Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 4 hours ago, tibbidoe said: I've been bored, so I got the ES GM Draft results from @goskins10 from 2016-2020 and have been putting them all together in a single excel file. If there's interest, I want to assign an actual value to players, starting from the ES Mock and continuing year-to-year. It'll be based on the following (or something simliar, if anybody has better suggestions): A- The difference between where the player was drafted in the mock vs real draft B- Round player was drafted in mock draft C- Points for a player selected in the same overall slot as the real draft D- Points for being selected by the same team as the real draft E- Points lost for selecting a player who isn't drafted in real draft F- Points for selecting offensive/defensive rookie of the year G- Points for player making the All-Rookie team H- Points for selecting offensive/defensive player of the year I- Points for player making the All-Pro team J- Points for each Pro Bowl selection player gets K- Points for player being named league MVP L- Points for player being named Super Bowl MVP M- Point for each game played N- Points for making it to the Hall of Fame (irrelevant until years from now) Thoughts? Pff and nfl.com all rookie teams preferably. Points for team accomplishments, Sb mvp etc, 🤷🏻♂️ only qbs on great teams can win those, tough to add to overall draft grades. I wouldn’t value the exact spot either or same team... we don’t really have a clear objective here, but I’d suggest it should be to get the players who prove to be best, so I’m a fan of rewarding all pro etc, though obviously that is tougher with teams picking later. To do it fairly, as you did above, we’d need to assign a total value of the draft picks & then a value for the results of those picks, +/-. For udfa, I’d take off maybe a tenth of a point per spot missed, if you had the 2nd to last pick & he didn’t get drafted, you lose .2. I tend to go back and forth between team need, bpa, besting actual draft spots, and just drafting obscure players. Teams with QBs will probably never get to draft an mvp unless we aren’t really drafting for our team as a GM would... its 🤷🏻♂️... but it’s awesome. Your work makes it all that much more interesting to keep up with. * Points for making a 53 man roster are a must in any grading, imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallen5862 Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 I like all the Charts and tables that are being used to analyse our drafts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerPacker Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 2 hours ago, volsmet said: Teams with QBs will probably never get to draft an mvp unless we aren’t really drafting for our team as a GM would... Ahem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volsmet Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 2 minutes ago, PokerPacker said: Ahem You drafted Mahomes & Jackson, I believe, which means Jackson is probably playing WR for your squad? 🤔 Which means we still have Flacco starting in the league? What a travesty for the game writ large. It’s just difficult to find a balance without guidelines that are being graded, it would be nice to have a specific target we’re shooting at. I prefer the long term grades, maybe we could have a separate contest with a less ambiguous target. Nice drafting, fwiw, that’s incredible to have grabbed both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerPacker Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 Just now, volsmet said: You drafted Mahomes & Jackson, I believe, which means Jackson is probably playing WR for your squad? 🤔 Which means we still have Flacco starting in the league? What a travesty for the game writ large. It’s just difficult to find a balance without guidelines that are being graded, it would be nice to have a specific target we’re shooting at. I prefer the long term grades, maybe we could have a separate contest with a less ambiguous target. Nice drafting, fwiw, that’s incredible to have grabbed both. You have me mistaken for someone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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