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      The home team fans are at home, these games no longer matter, and it’s probably better for the team to lose than it is to win.  It must be December in Washington.  Welcome to week 15!
       
      Redskins Inactive: 
      Colt McCoy  
      Trey Quinn 
      Quinton Dunbar  
      Josh Harvey-Clemons  
      Ross Pierschbacher  
      Brandon Scherff  
      Caleb Wilson  
       
      Eagles Inactive: 
      Nate Sudfeld  
      Nelson Agholor 
      Jordan Howard  
      Shareef Miller 
      Lane Johnson  
      Sua Opeta  
      Derek Barnet
       
      There are two camps for Redskins fans at this time of year.  Those that want to tank and those that want to win.  If this describes you, I want you to know something important. You’re wrong.  You should probably feel bad about it too, but that’s your business.  The right way to go about this, is simply to embrace the doublethink.  
       
      Before and after the game it’s perfectly reasonable to acknowledge that losing has its advantages.  It does and it is undeniable.  Afterall we could be talking about the difference between Chase Young being in a Redskins uniform, or not.  What we need for that to happen is simple.  Redskins lose out.  Giants beat the Dolphins and Redskins.  Dolphins beat the Bengals.  All of these things are perfectly reasonable outcomes.  We’re that close to having an elite pass rusher.   
       
      Before that happens, we have a game to play.  It is in this moment that we should embrace the other side of our demented doublethink.  While the game is being played, especially against a division opponent, fans should want their team to do well.  Assuming they have a soul and any decency.  There is just no way that I can root for the Eagles to beat the Redskins during a game.  If you are the type of fan that does this, I hope you find someone that can fix what has broken inside of you.   
       
      Pregame Prediction:  Redskins 23 – Eagles 30  
      More interesting game we are missing because we are still watching the Redskins:  Packers – Bears  
      Things I am snacking on:  Brownie.   
      Number of colons used:  Six.  (so far)  
       
      Check back for updates.  I’m going to wander around the room for a while and stretch my legs to get away from a certain well-known ESPN Eagle fan’s boring conversations that my ear phones aren’t blocking out entirely.
       
      1st Quarter Redskins 7 - 3 Eagles
      "The Closer" Haskins showed up for work early today and hit his former college teammate for a touchdown.  He really took the life out of this crowd in *checks notes* Fedex Field. 
       
      2nd Quarter Redskins 14 - 10 Eagles
      This quarter was defined by penalties.  The Redskins made the mistake of lightly hitting an Eagles tight end on the shoulder, and then another by tackling the Eagles QB around the waist.  Refs clearly didn't appreciate the Redskins playing football.
       
      This is the best half of football of Haskins pro career.  The Redskins passing offense as a whole has looked impressive, which... well it just shouldn't be.  Right?  Feels like a trap.  As soon as we start to feel good about it, BOOM they'll tear our hearts out. 
       
      I'll say this much though, Redskins receivers have been running around wide open throughout this first half.  The Redskins should have scored more than 14.
       
      Halftime:  If you had a choice between standing in a relatively long line for ice cream and cookies or nachos and hot dogs which would you choose?  I would go with ice cream.  Unfortunately I didn't realize there were two separate lines, and so I ended up with nachos and disappointment.  Also, I should probably mention Urban Meyer is here.  I bet he got the ice cream.   
       
      3rd Quarter Redskins 14 - 17 Eagles
      Wentz made a good throw, giving his team the lead, and it reminded me that Wentz was once a pretty good QB.  Hasn't looked like it often today.  The Eagles really haven't had a lot of open players for Wentz to throw to, but there is more to it than that.  Wentz looks slow. 
       
      Haskins has out played him through three quarters, and we haven't even reached Haskins best quarter. 
       
      4th Quarter Redskins 27 - 37 Eagles
      Some drunk Redskins fans sitting in front of the press box have recognized a Eagles fan that appears often on CNN and have started knocking on the glass to wave their hands and smile at him now the the Redskins have the lead.  These fans have apparently never learned not to tempt fate.
       
      Redskins defense played fairly well all game but picked the worst possible time to give up a long drive for a touchdown.  The Eagles offense came off the field with a four point lead and less than a minute left in the game.  The fumble return for a touchdown on the aborted hail marry attempt just added insult to injury.  Redskins come up short, for the eleventh time this season. 
       
      End of game thoughts.  Haskins actually looked like a real NFL QB for an entire NFL game.  Not just a drive here or there, but for an entire game Haskins looked like he belonged.  He looked like one of the reasons the Redskins might win the game.  He's shown flashes in the past but nothing like this.  A very encouraging sign for fans that believe he can be a part of the future here. 
       
      The Giants did their part to fall back in the draft, by absolutely dismantling the mighty Dolphins.  May the Giants be victorious, at least one more time this season.  We just need to lose to the Giants and have the Dolphins beat the Bengals, and the Redskins will be sitting alone at 3 wins.  Chase Young could happen.

       
       
       
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!!!!0mgz!!!! Trent Williams finally showed up

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Trent has awesome leverage.  He just had his perspective about life changed by a scary medical situation.  His leverage is he can just retire and live on his many many many millions, which is way more common for stars these days.  And the other half of that leverage is he knows if he did the Redskins would be sunk.  He could also just retire for a year, watch Gruden and Allen both be fired, and unretire.

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I'm on record as being happy to give Trent a marginal raise and /or more guaranteed money. Not excessive but fair over the next 2/3 years.

 

However, if he intends to **** about then he can go for me. 

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1 hour ago, Peregrine said:

Trent has awesome leverage.  He just had his perspective about life changed by a scary medical situation.  His leverage is he can just retire and live on his many many many millions, which is way more common for stars these days.  And the other half of that leverage is he knows if he did the Redskins would be sunk.  He could also just retire for a year, watch Gruden and Allen both be fired, and unretire.

 

If Trent didn't need to worry about the money he'd just retire now. He obviously cares plenty about getting more money, so that alone reduces his leverage. With his current contract situation he basically doesn't get paid if he doesn't play. If he wants a ton of new money the Skins can just say no and tell him to stay home and get zip if he refuses to suit up. Yes it will hurt the team but it's not like we were going to be competitive anyway this season, and we also don't have to start Haskins. Draft Trent's replacement next year with a likely high 1st round pick. 

 

Retiring and then immediately coming back would be a ridiculously transparent move. The team could probably sue him, and could probably win. 

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1 hour ago, mistertim said:

 

If Trent didn't need to worry about the money he'd just retire now. He obviously cares plenty about getting more money, so that alone reduces his leverage. With his current contract situation he basically doesn't get paid if he doesn't play. If he wants a ton of new money the Skins can just say no and tell him to stay home and get zip if he refuses to suit up. Yes it will hurt the team but it's not like we were going to be competitive anyway this season, and we also don't have to start Haskins. Draft Trent's replacement next year with a likely high 1st round pick. 

 

Retiring and then immediately coming back would be a ridiculously transparent move. The team could probably sue him, and could probably win. 

 

Even if he retires the Redskins own his rights until his contract is up unless they agree to release him. So the Redskins still have his rights for 2 yrs unless they voluntarily release him. 

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On 6/18/2019 at 2:28 PM, Skinsinparadise said:

 

The more I listen to narratives about this -- the more it seems like money and not the medical staff stuff is primarily driving this.  but it sounds like what makes it tough for the beat guys to know for sure is they are only getting the team's side of events and Trent and his agent aren't talking on or off the record about it right now.

 

As some have said it could end up being a simple game of chicken where Trent either shows up to play or he doesn't to honor his current contract -- most are guessing he would honor his contract considering there is a lot of money at stake. 

 

I see it just the exact opposite way. If it was a money thing then why not just state that as most every other athlete has done?  Why take this route if there was nothing to it?

 

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I think if it were about a medical issue than it likely should remain private. Frankly, if he felt it were medical negligence it should be handled in a separate legal forum. 

 

My opinion, he is griping about his contract, the crappy organization he wasted his career with and is using the medical angle as a scapegoat. 

 

 

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On 6/22/2019 at 8:42 AM, Bonez3 said:

I think if it were about a medical issue than it likely should remain private. Frankly, if he felt it were medical negligence it should be handled in a separate legal forum. 

 

 

 

 

In all honesty it has remained private. Only fan and reporter speculation. I have heard nothing from TW or his agent, and only heard Bruce say he knows what the problem is. Nothing else. TW missed off-season workouts that he wasnt going to be at anyways due to injury. So not seeing where this is not being kept private.

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1 hour ago, Xameil said:

In all honesty it has remained private. Only fan and reporter speculation. I have heard nothing from TW or his agent, and only heard Bruce say he knows what the problem is. Nothing else. TW missed off-season workouts that he wasnt going to be at anyways due to injury. So not seeing where this is not being kept private.

I think it's obvious his demands about being released were linked to his frustration about the medical situation. Regardless of the actual details, using the situation as leverage is poor form. That was my point. 

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2 minutes ago, Bonez3 said:

I think it's obvious his demands about being released were linked to his frustration about the medical situation. Regardless of the actual details, using the situation as leverage is poor form. That was my point. 

Again...only reports I hear about him demanding release was from a reporter.

 

Adrian Peterson, arguably his best friend on the team has said that was a surprise to him. So I dont really buy any of this until I hear it from TW.

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2 minutes ago, Xameil said:

Again...only reports I hear about him demanding release was from a reporter.

 

Adrian Peterson, arguably his best friend on the team has said that was a surprise to him. So I dont really buy any of this until I hear it from TW.

Yea- A lot of smoke though.

 

But, if it manifests than I'll hold that view. We'll have to wait and see. I want him suited up for Philly week 1 no doubt. But when the face of the franchise has a story like this leaked, erroneous or otherwise, just lousy. 

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1 hour ago, Bonez3 said:

I think it's obvious his demands about being released were linked to his frustration about the medical situation. Regardless of the actual details, using the situation as leverage is poor form. That was my point. 

Why?  When exactly is he supposed to use leverage? 

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1 hour ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

Why?  When exactly is he supposed to use leverage? 

When or what?

 

When - the answer is never IMO. I think if you have concerns around medical negligence you turn it over to your legal team and they can advise you. If they advise you to remove yourself from your employment, than do so and let them comment.

 

What to use as leverage would be performance metrics. If he's due for a raise, ok, put it on the table. 

 

If your upset about the handling of your medical care, I don't think 'I'm leaving this place' is the most professional move. 

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2 minutes ago, Bonez3 said:

When or what?

 

When - the answer is never IMO. I think if you have concerns around medical negligence you turn it over to your legal team and they can advise you. If they advise you to remove yourself from your employment, than do so and let them comment.

 

What to use as leverage would be performance metrics. If he's due for a raise, ok, put it on the table. 

 

If your upset about the handling of your medical care, I don't think 'I'm leaving this place' is the most professional move. 

 

It's a business tactic, and a smart one.  Supply and demand.  When the solar eclipse happened, two months beforehand those glasses were two bucks a piece.  The day before?  Two hundred.  That's how business works.

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1 minute ago, Bonez3 said:

When or what?

 

When - the answer is never IMO. I think if you have concerns around medical negligence you turn it over to your legal team and they can advise you. If they advise you to remove yourself from your employment, than do so and let them comment.

 

What to use as leverage would be performance metrics. If he's due for a raise, ok, put it on the table. 

 

If your upset about the handling of your medical care, I don't think 'I'm leaving this place' is the most professional move. 

 

We'll just have to agree to disagree.  I think you should use whatever leverage in whatever capacity you have whenever you have it, because the team will always do the same to you.

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1 hour ago, volsmet said:

Following OTA’s, Houston’s interest in Trent has increased.

 

Do they have better medical staff though??

 

just kidding, what's the deal here then, haven't taken much notice on this recently, are the Texans reportedly interested?

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57 minutes ago, UK SKINS FAN '74 said:

 

Do they have better medical staff though??

 

just kidding, what's the deal here then, haven't taken much notice on this recently, are the Texans reportedly interested?

 

They’ve been trying to trade for Trent & other OTs for a few years now. My boy Tytus Howard & fellow rookie Max Scharping failed to impress in OTA’s — they fired the GM who made those picks 45 days after he made them.

 

 

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If we are talking leverage then who has more? Do the Skins need Trent more or does Trent need the Skins more? 

 

The response can be debated, but my thoughts are who else would start at tackle? Moses will be on one side, but who else can play after that? Factor on that Moses, based on his history, will be playing through injuries and also miss a bit of time this season who will be protecting the edges? Just imagine if we are forced to start looking at Flowers as a swing tackle because we are just that short there? Technically he's got the most experience (granted it's all horrible). 

 

For Trent I have no idea how his financial situation looks. If he's in need of cash then the Skins hold a lot of power. Sadly this is the situation I find myself rooting for. If he's saved well and is legitimately upset over the medical side he doesn't need football, let alone the Redskins. That would have a Barry Sanders type feel to it, which I think is the absolute worst outcome. 

 

Anyway, time will tell. It's the dead time in the NFL so hopefully cooler heads prevail. 

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1 hour ago, volsmet said:

 

They’ve been trying to trade for Trent & other OTs for a few years now. My boy Tytus Howard & fellow rookie Max Scharping failed to impress in OTA’s — they fired the GM who made those picks 45 days after he made them.

 

 

 

Interesting take. Kalil is all but knackered but the have him on a one year deal I guess.

 

Include Zach Cunningham in a trade and I might give it some thought.

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2 hours ago, UK SKINS FAN '74 said:

 

Interesting take. Kalil is all but knackered but the have him on a one year deal I guess.

 

Include Zach Cunningham in a trade and I might give it some thought.

 

Just what a coach in Houston has expressed, could be empty chatter, but ... that’s unlikely.

 

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9 hours ago, Xameil said:

Again...only reports I hear about him demanding release was from a reporter.

 

Adrian Peterson, arguably his best friend on the team has said that was a surprise to him. So I dont really buy any of this until I hear it from TW.

 

This is big reason I haven't commented in this thread yet.  I'm waiting to see if he really jus doesnt come back or says he wont on the record.  I want him to stay, but only if he wants to.

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Can Sherff play left tackle? Or tackle at all? If the answer to this is yes then I see what we can get for Trent....

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5 minutes ago, kingdaddy said:

Can Sherff play left tackle? Or tackle at all? If the answer to this is yes then I see what we can get for Trent....

 

We drafted him to play tackle & had to move him off of rt in about 3 days.

 

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6 minutes ago, kingdaddy said:

Can Sherff play left tackle? Or tackle at all? If the answer to this is yes then I see what we can get for Trent....

 

No. He's an elite guard, and will get paid like one. No need to mess with that, Haskins will need an interior to step up into. Moving him to OT just gives us a probably decent, but flawed tackle and a new hole at OG. I'd rather he remain elite at his position and find OT help elsewhere. If Haskins is as smart and processes things as quickly as I suspect he will once he's caught up on the scheme, he'll help mitigate some of that edge pressure himself. He's got that ability to sense pressure coming at his back. 

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4 minutes ago, volsmet said:

 

We drafted him to play tackle & had to move him off of rt in about 3 days.

 

This is what I thought....How bout paying him like an elite guard and moving him to tackle? That sounds like a plan.

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