Anselmheifer Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 35 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said: The thing to me is considering they are projecting a bunch of RTs to convert LT: Niang, Peart, Steele (who I've watched now some, and I think he's a project) -- then why not Wilson? Wilson certainly has the length to do it. He could probably take off 15 pounds and improve his agility -- to me the dude looks like will be a good one. I could see Wilson being so bulky and high that he struggles vs speed, but the same could be said for a lot of players. The reality is, the Patriots love OT's like this. Giant long armed guys that get by on that. The Patriots have a QB and system though that get the ball out very quickly. I'm not exactly sure in this day and age how much the RT/LT distinction matters. It's still the blind side, but these days, defensive schemes move their best pass rushers all over the place to get favorable matchups. Mostly gone are the days where you see a Bruce Smith line up at RDE and stay there all of the time. That's yet another reason I like Chase so much. He seems so fluid rushing from either side and even the interior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
actorguy1 Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 Starting to see some low level tweets about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 The draft is just a roster transaction. I doubt they postpone it since there isn't a need for any kind of gathering, and they will probably want to keep the chance to hold rookie camps on the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PartyPosse Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 Looking more and more like that end of May thing is true. More time to ponder Tua. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anselmheifer Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 There is going to be twice as much coronavirus at the end of May as there is in April. People aught to be squeezing in everything they can right now before things get really bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurgeh Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 10 hours ago, stevemcqueen1 said: The draft is just a roster transaction. I doubt they postpone it since there isn't a need for any kind of gathering, and they will probably want to keep the chance to hold rookie camps on the table. You're right, but much as I hate to say it I think the rest of the circus that goes along with the draft generates too many dollars for some people to give up on the idea of staging it, and if that means pushing the draft back, then back it will go. There's probably a small army of lawyers going through TV and sponsorship contracts right now looking at the get-out clauses, and not just for the draft coverage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Gurgeh said: You're right, but much as I hate to say it I think the rest of the circus that goes along with the draft generates too many dollars for some people to give up on the idea of staging it, and if that means pushing the draft back, then back it will go. There's probably a small army of lawyers going through TV and sponsorship contracts right now looking at the get-out clauses, and not just for the draft coverage. You're probably right. If there is money to be made on an NFL event, then they're going to try and stage it. But I think it won't end up getting staged because that could be controversial and the NFL tries to avoid controversy, as much as possible. I don't think there will be any reasonable opportunity to stage the event for months. I hope they stay on schedule and just do the draft remotely. It hurts the rookie class to be stuck in uncertainty for months, without knowing which team they're going to and what coaches they'll play for, and what those coaches expect from them. I have a feeling we're not going to see many rookies hit the ground running next season, like we did in 2019. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anselmheifer Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 I was just listening to a PFF/Daniel Jeremiah youtube this morning on my way in to work and Jeremiah loves Aiyuk. I think we under rate him here. He doesn't have an elite top gear, but he is very quick and is another guy that is great with YAC on screens and slants etc. Can get deep well enough to keep defenses honest with McLaurin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Anselmheifer said: I was just listening to a PFF/Daniel Jeremiah youtube this morning on my way in to work and Jeremiah loves Aiyuk. I think we under rate him here. He doesn't have an elite top gear, but he is very quick and is another guy that is great with YAC on screens and slants etc. Can get deep well enough to keep defenses honest with McLaurin. The draftnik community as a whole seems to be much higher on Aiyuk than we are. He has consistently been one of the top three or four BPA candidates at 66 in the mocks I've simulated, but I've never picked him. Drafting Aiyuk at 66 feels like a massive overpay when I can always seem to get Tyler Johnson and Michael Pittman and Isaiah Hodgins and Devin Duvernay in the fourth and fifth rounds. I'm pretty convinced they are better players than him straight up, and thus they offer far better draft value than him. I don't think he's very consistent or impactful. The overwhelming bulk of his collegiate production came in about six or seven games, and in the rest he was a JAG. And it wasn't a situation where he's still opening things up and moving safeties even when not putting up monster numbers like when teams were scheming to shut down Hodgins and Johnson. He was just invisible. During the season, I didn't get the sense that people were that high on him, and as someone who got to see a fair number of AZ St games during the year, it was always clear to me that Eno Benjamin was far and away the best player on that team, and that he basically willed them to that win against Cal where Aiyuk was invisible. It also felt really apparent to me that guys like Justin Jefferson, Hodgins, Tyler Johnson, Duvernay, Pittman, etc. were all better players than Aiyuk. To the point where it would have been pretty hard to watch a game of one of those guys and then immediately put on an AZ St game and, juxtaposing performance like that, conclude that Aiyuk was better than them. But since the season ended, Aiyuk has steadily climbed big boards for no apparent reason, and I think it's one of those post season over-corrections where the evaluations have gotten too far away from his on-field performances. I think he's going to be overdrafted and that Hodgins and Tyler Johnson are going to be way, way underdrafted. I'm fine with Aiyuk being overdrafted so long as we're not the team that does it, because I think it will help push better guys down the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinny21 Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 Right there with you on Aiyuk@stevemcqueen1, though I’m thinking we (due to the draft community rankings) might be undervaluing Pittman. Don’t see any reason for him to be pushed down to the 4th or whatever. Well, there’s the receiver depth, but analytics (breakout age/dominator rating) and a surprising combine should probably put him just below (what I have as) the top tier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 There was a minute after the Utah game where people had an "Oh ****" moment with Pittman and he jumped from basically being a UDFA into like second round consideration. Then that kind of take on him appeared to lose steam and he fell into a day three range. It kind of feels like we were closer to his true value in our "over-reaction" to the Utah game. He's a pretty dominant player who was clearly overshadowed by playing on the same team as two other receivers who just happen to be better players than him. Kind of the same effect that you'd see with Minnesota, Clemson, LSU, Alabama, etc. I'm noticing that my dislike for Aiyuk kind of mirrors my negative take on Jalen Raegor. They're the kind of the same player. Soft, very low-skill return and YAC specialists who get by purely on speed and solid run after the catch creativity, although Raegor is a much better jump ball guy than Aiyuk and he's got better vision as a runner. They just don't have that essential "football player" quality to them and that is basically a deal-breaker for me when there are other options available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HigSkin Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 14 hours ago, actorguy1 said: Starting to see some low level tweets about this. yea, it's gaining some traction... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 1 hour ago, stevemcqueen1 said: The draftnik community as a whole seems to be much higher on Aiyuk than we are. He has consistently been one of the top three or four BPA candidates at 66 in the mocks I've simulated, but I've never picked him. Drafting Aiyuk at 66 feels like a massive overpay when I can always seem to get Tyler Johnson and Michael Pittman and Isaiah Hodgins and Devin Duvernay in the fourth and fifth rounds. I'm pretty convinced they are better players than him straight up, and thus they offer far better draft value than him. Yeah I am with you on this. I did my version of my take on Aiyuk awhile back, I liked but not loved him, I didn't get the first round hype. Ditto Shenault. For me both players have something in common in that they have a twist to them. Aiyuk to me is a really intriguing as a kick off returner. He seems to be gifted at that. Shenault, is like a running back with the ball in his hands. But when watching them purely as route running receivers, I wasn't blown away by either dude. 46 minutes ago, stevemcqueen1 said: I'm noticing that my dislike for Aiyuk kind of mirrors my negative take on Jalen Raegor. They're the kind of the same player. Soft, very low-skill return and YAC specialists who get by purely on speed and solid run after the catch creativity, although Raegor is a much better jump ball guy than Aiyuk and he's got better vision as a runner. They just don't have that essential "football player" quality to them and that is basically a deal-breaker for me when there are other options available. We see a lot of the receivers the same with maybe Reagor being the exception. Reagor to me just jumps in the games I watch. Heck I wasn't even intending to watch Reagor again yesterday but while I was watching Niang, I kept seeing Reagor make plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Est.1974 Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 Tannehill getting 30mil per year. I mean, let’s not underestimate the benefit of a QB on rookie contract. Tua must have a very long list of suitors..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 1 hour ago, UK SKINS FAN 74 said: Tannehill getting 30mil per year. I mean, let’s not underestimate the benefit of a QB on rookie contract. Tua must have a very long list of suitors..... Yeah rookie QBs are going to be more and more valuable. I know @volsmet would say Tannehill is probably worth even 35 million but wow. 😁 1 hour ago, UK SKINS FAN 74 said: Tannehill getting 30mil per year. I mean, let’s not underestimate the benefit of a QB on rookie contract. Tua must have a very long list of suitors..... I'd add thank you Bruce for sticking us with 4 years of guarantees from the Alex contract and by extension mitigating the impact of us having our own cheap rookie QB. I said at the time when they let go of Kirk that if they are going that route then exploit the rookie QB route but clearly they disagreed. 😥 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Skinsinparadise Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 New mock https://www.profootballnetwork.com/pre-free-agency-2020-three-roundnfl-mock-draft-nick-farabaugh/2/ Round 2 33) Cincinnati Bengals: Austin Jackson, OT, USC 34) Indianapolis Colts: Neville Gallimore, IDL, Oklahoma 35) Detroit Lions: Ross Blacklock, IDL, TCU 36) New York Giants: Ezra Cleveland, OT, Boise State 37) Los Angeles Chargers: A.J. Terrell, CB, Clemson 38) Carolina Panthers: Grant Delpit, S, LSU 39) Miami Dolphins: J.K. Dobbins, RB, Ohio State 40) Arizona Cardinals: Prince Tega Wanogho, OT, Auburn 41) Cleveland Browns: Ashtyn Davis, S, California 42) Jacksonville Jaguars: Antoine Winfield Jr., S, Minnesota 43) Chicago Bears: Lloyd Cushenberry, IOL, LSU 44) Indianapolis Colts: Laviska Shenault, WR, Colorado 45) Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Jonathan Taylor, RB, Wisconsin 46) Denver Broncos: Justin Madubuike, IDL, Texas A&M 47) Atlanta Falcons: Kyle Dugger, S, Lenoir-Rhyne 48) New York Jets: A.J. Epenesa, EDGE, Iowa 49) Pittsburgh Steelers: Josh Uche, EDGE, Michigan 50) Chicago Bears: Cole Kmet, TE, Notre Dame 51) Dallas Cowboys: Jalen Reagor, WR, TCU 52) Los Angeles Rams: Malik Harrison, ILB, Ohio State 53) Philadelphia Eagles: Noah Igbinoghene, CB, Auburn 54) Buffalo Bills: Julian Okwara, EDGE, Notre Dame 55) Atlanta Falcons: Curtis Weaver, EDGE, Boise State 56) Miami Dolphins: K.J. Hamler, WR, Penn State 57) Houston Texans: D’Andre Swift, RB, Georgia 58) Minnesota Vikings: Brandon Aiyuk, WR, Arizona State 59) Seattle Seahawks: Bradlee Anae, EDGE, Utah 60) Baltimore Ravens: Donovan Peoples-Jones, WR, Michigan 61) Tennessee Titans: Jonah Jackson, IOL, Ohio State 62) Green Bay Packers: Adam Trautman, TE, Dayton 63) Kansas City Chiefs: Clyde Edwards-Helaire, RB, LSU 64) Seattle Seahawks: Robert Hunt, IOL, Lousiana Lafayette Round 3 65) Cincinnati Bengals: Netane Muti, IOL, Fresno State 66) Washington Redskins: Damon Arnette, CB, Ohio State 67) Detroit Lions: Matthew Peart, OT, Connecticut 68) New York Jets: Chase Claypool, WR, Notre Dame 69) Carolina Panthers: Troy Pride Jr., CB, Notre Dame 70) Miami Dolphins: Matt Hennessy, IOL, Temple 71) Los Angeles Chargers: Ben Bartch, OT, St John 72) Arizona Cardinals: Jordyn Brooks, ILB, Texas Tech 73) Jacksonville Jaguars: Willie Gay Jr., ILB, Mississippi State 74) Cleveland Browns: Akeem Davis-Gaither, ILB, Appalachian State 75) Indianapolis Colts: Isaiah Wilson, OT, Georgia 76) Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Jacob Eason, QB, Washington 77) Denver Broncos: Jaylon Johnson, CB, Utah 78) Atlanta Falcons: Cameron Dantzler, CB, Mississippi State 79) New York Jets: Bryce Hall, CB, Virginia 80) Las Vegas Raiders: Jalen Hurts, QB, Alabama 81) Las Vegas Raiders: Marlon Davidson, IDL, Auburn 82) Dallas Cowboys: Jordan Elliott, IDL, Missouri 83) Denver Broncos: Saadiq Charles, OT, LSU 84) Los Angeles Rams: Ben Bredeson, IOL, Michigan 85) Philadelphia Eagles: Troy Dye, ILB, Oregon 86) Buffalo Bills: Cam Akers, RB, Florida State 87) New England Patriots: Brycen Hopkins, TE, Purdue 88) New Orleans Saints: Darnay Holmes, CB, UCLA 89) Minnesota Vikings: Damien Lewis, IOL, LSU 90) Houston Texans: Jonathan Greenard, EDGE, Florida 91) Las Vegas Raiders: Terrell Burgess, S, Utah 92) Baltimore Ravens: Darrell Taylor, EDGE, Tennessee 93) Tennessee Titans: Davon Hamilton, IDL, Ohio State 94) Green Bay Packers: Michael Pittman Jr., WR, USC 95) Denver Broncos: Antonio Gibson, RB, Memphis 96) Kansas City Chiefs: Alex Highsmith, EDGE, Charlotte 97) Cleveland Browns: Raekwon Davis, IDL, Alabama 98) New England Patriots: Lynn Bowden Jr., WR, Kentucky 99) New York Giants: Amik Robertson, CB, Louisiana Tech 100) New England Patriots: Nick Harris, IOL, Washington 101) Seattle Seahawks: Gabriel Davis, WR, UCF 102) Pittsburgh Steelers: K’Von Wallace, S, Clemson 103) Philadelphia Eagles: Brandon Jones, S, Texas 104) Los Angeles Rams: Alton Robinson, EDGE, Syracuse 105) Minnesota Vikings: Leki Fotu, IDL, Utah 106) Baltimore Ravens: Rashard Lawrence, IDL, LSU Nick Farabaugh is an NFL Draft Analyst for PFN. Follow him on Twitter @FarabaughFB and give him your feedback on his Pre-Free Agency 2020 Mock Draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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KDawg Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 I'm not sure I want anything to do with Arnette. He looks good. But something in my gut says that he benefitted more than anyone else on that Ohio St. D from Young/Okudah's presence. And that's not even mentioning guys like Harrison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 2 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said: I'd add thank you Bruce for sticking us with 4 years of guarantees from the Alex contract and by extension mitigating the impact of us having our own cheap rookie QB. I said at the time when they let go of Kirk that if they are going that route then exploit the rookie QB route but clearly they disagreed. 😥 Allen is a curse. That sequence of letting Kirk walk for a comp pick, trading for Alex Smith, and then giving him a contract extension needs to be recognized as one of the worst decisions in franchise history. An absolute disaster that cratered us. Every time I think about how it played out my blood pressure skyrockets and I have to step away from football before I start raving about how Allen deserves summary execution for what he did to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 1 hour ago, stevemcqueen1 said: Allen is a curse. That sequence of letting Kirk walk for a comp pick, trading for Alex Smith, and then giving him a contract extension needs to be recognized as one of the worst decisions in franchise history. An absolute disaster that cratered us. Every time I think about how it played out my blood pressure skyrockets and I have to step away from football before I start raving about how Allen deserves summary execution for what he did to us. Yep among other things including mishandling the Trent situation. I do believe the reports that they had first round pick offers earlier last season. Imagine if we had another first rounder in this draft, wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 1 hour ago, KDawg said: I'm not sure I want anything to do with Arnette. He looks good. But something in my gut says that he benefitted more than anyone else on that Ohio St. D from Young/Okudah's presence. And that's not even mentioning guys like Harrison. My concerns about Arnette is that he seems to have some off the field issues. And I was reluctant to watch him because I figured how can the #2 corner from Ohio State be that good so I thought it was sort of a chic thing with some draft geeks to tout the other corner at Ohio State. Then I watched him play a few games and I was impressed -- among other things he drapes-mirrors receivers well. He's also feisty like Okudah. Okudah admitted that he didn't play that great until last season when his secondary coach really taught technique well. You can see some Okudah in Arnette. Okudah is the better player -- heck to me Okudah is probably the third best player in the whole draft. But Arnette in my view is a fun watch and a really good player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 Ya. I’m not saying he doesn’t look skilled. I just have a hard time with anyone on the Ohio State D. And that actually includes Okudah... Simply because of Young. I think Okudah is very good... but I’m not sure he’s that much better than Diggs/Henderson/Fulton. He looks better. But is he? Not sure. All four of the guys I named had ridiculous pass rushes lined up in front of them. Its why I look at Cam Dantzler, see how slow he is in comparison, see his team, and then see him handle top notch top tier receivers relatively well and I just keep coming away impressed with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volsmet Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 4 hours ago, stevemcqueen1 said: Allen is a curse. That sequence of letting Kirk walk for a comp pick, trading for Alex Smith, and then giving him a contract extension needs to be recognized as one of the worst decisions in franchise history. An absolute disaster that cratered us. Every time I think about how it played out my blood pressure skyrockets and I have to step away from football before I start raving about how Allen deserves summary execution for what he did to us. I found it troubling that so few thought signing Kirk/trading for Smith were each atrocious considerations. It’s hard to fathom choosing to do either intentionally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PartyPosse Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 2 hours ago, KDawg said: I think Okudah is very good... but I’m not sure he’s that much better than Diggs/Henderson/Fulton. He looks better. But is he? Not sure. I think the difference is Okudah doesn’t have a weakness. Henderson, for example, is an average at best tackler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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