Bacon Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 The Phillies' managerial situation is a mess with Kapler and they haven't been to the playoffs since 2011. You can forgive me for not assuming they will be an unstoppable juggernaut without seeing proof on the field first. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Renegade7 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 19 hours ago, Burgold said: As for as Harper goes... I think his positioned has weakened. It's time to offer him vet minimum plus incentives. I think there's some truth to this. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo#44 Posted February 18, 2019 Author Share Posted February 18, 2019 Has anyone considered it's the players colluding to get a bigger share of the revenue pie in a couple years? I'd also chalk it up to front offices getting smarter. No one is signing the Dallas Keuchels for 5/120 anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoodBits Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 12 minutes ago, Riggo#44 said: Has anyone considered it's the players colluding to get a bigger share of the revenue pie in a couple years? I'd also chalk it up to front offices getting smarter. No one is signing the Dallas Keuchels for 5/120 anymore. Biggest issue is simply with how few teams are actively trying to compete in a given year. Baseball has become entrenched in rebuild cycles because of how cheap and long their rookie contracts are, and how massively bloated their veteran FA contracts are (at least til recently). Add that to the fact that many teams legitimately aren’t able to maintain a $170m+ payroll, and you’ve got a situation where the handful of big spending teams legitimately run out of openings. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillUnknown Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 17 minutes ago, Riggo#44 said: Has anyone considered it's the players colluding to get a bigger share of the revenue pie in a couple years? that would require a level of selflessness that seems unlikely and illogical from the perspective of the players. When injury is right around the corner, its harder to collude from a players standpoint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 15 minutes ago, Riggo#44 said: Has anyone considered it's the players colluding to get a bigger share of the revenue pie in a couple years? That would be a significant deviation from all accepted economic theories of how markets work. Also, front offices would be leaking to reporters that players turned down their offers that are in line with expected outcomes. 15 minutes ago, Riggo#44 said: I'd also chalk it up to front offices getting smarter. No one is signing the Dallas Keuchels for 5/120 anymore. I think front offices are getting smarter and have determined that, generally speaking, if you can get 90% of Player A's production from Player B at half the cost, that's what you want to do. It's very weird that every team made that determination with 2 years of one another, in the same sport where it took "Moneyball" theory a decade to catch on with everyone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoodBits Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, PleaseBlitz said: I think front offices are getting smarter and have determined that, generally speaking, if you can get 90% of Player A's production from Player B at half the cost, that's what you want to do. It's very weird that every team made that determination with 2 years of one another, in the same sport where it took "Moneyball" theory a decade to catch on with everyone. It does seem a little odd, but I think the impact of the luxury tax escalation is underestimated. Teams now have massive incentives to not go over that threshold more than a year at a time. If you can’t go over more than a year at a time, you’ve got to really avoid long term contracts with 30+ year olds that could start declining any year. You can no long just absorb those costs. Before the current CBA, Dodgers were over $200m (including $275m one year) for like 5 years straight. Edited February 18, 2019 by skinsfan_1215 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo#44 Posted February 18, 2019 Author Share Posted February 18, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, skinsfan_1215 said: It does seem a little odd, but I think the impact of the luxury tax escalation is underestimated. Teams now have massive incentives to not go over that threshold more than a year at a time. If you can’t go over more than a year at a time, you’ve got to really avoid long term contracts with 30+ year olds that could start declining any year. You can no long just absorb those costs. Before the current CBA, Dodgers were over $200m (including $275m one year) for like 5 years straight. I think teams are doing a better job developing prospects too. When was the last time you saw 2 teenagers, within a decade of each other, come up and set records? Acuña was 20 last year. We're seeing better players devolped and called up sooner than ever before. And they're producing. Edited February 18, 2019 by Riggo#44 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoodBits Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 4 minutes ago, Riggo#44 said: I think teams are doing a better job developing prospects too. When was the last time you saw 2 teenagers, within a decade of each other, come up and set records? Acuña was 20 last year. We're seeing better players devolped and called up sooner than ever before. And they're producing. Thats been a huge shift, yes. IMO one of the player-friendly changes needed is how service time is calculated in the minors and how long rookie contracts last. Need more of these guys hitting FA by 25-26 like Harper and Machado vs not hitting FA until 29-30. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebluefood Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 At this point, I'd be fine with Harper going somewhere other than an NL East Rival. Hell, I'd almost prefer to see him under a Chicago White Sox cap than back in D.C. since our outfield is getting kinda cramped (and God knows the South Siders need all the help they can get right now). I want him and any other player to get paid but I also just want this whole thing to end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoodBits Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 16 minutes ago, thebluefood said: At this point, I'd be fine with Harper going somewhere other than an NL East Rival. Hell, I'd almost prefer to see him under a Chicago White Sox cap than back in D.C. since our outfield is getting kinda cramped (and God knows the South Siders need all the help they can get right now). I want him and any other player to get paid but I also just want this whole thing to end. I honestly don’t even care if he goes to an NL East team, that way I can hate him like they all did for years. “Harper is a phony overrated douche” has a nice ring to it. But I’d die inside a little if he went to one of those teams and *won* with them. Won MVPs, won pennants, etc. God forbid he brings a WS to Philly. So yeah, safest bet is for him to go a SD or whatever. Need CWS to step up and buy Machado, then SD go nuts to get Harper. I don’t see either of those things happening. 😕 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinfan2k Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 if Harper really wanted to go Philly, it woudl have happened already, maybe he is waiting it out for a last offer from the Nats. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 48 minutes ago, skinfan2k said: if Harper really wanted to go Philly, it woudl have happened already, maybe he is waiting it out for a last offer from the Nats. Does feel if there were a 300M+ offer. It would have been signed by now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinfan2k Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 3 hours ago, @SkinsGoldPants said: Does feel if there were a 300M+ offer. It would have been signed by now. Maybe he is waiting for Nats to match mysterious 325 or 350 offer lol He did the same **** with Kayla. he left her and then it took a while back to realize he had to go back to her. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo#44 Posted February 19, 2019 Author Share Posted February 19, 2019 BREAKING: Cataclysmic event in WPB! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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@DCGoldPants Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 Man, did I miss these guys. Love knowing most evenings I'll be able to unwind and watch baseball. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 (edited) Washington Post's Nats beat reporter Jesse Dougherty writes that the Nats and Davey Martinez are thinking about batting Victor Robles 9th as a "second leadoff hitter." They did that (position player 9th/pitcher 8th) some last year, most often with Wilmer Difo when he filled in at 3rd base Anthony Rendon was injured. https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2019/02/19/nationals-are-toying-with-idea-batting-victor-robles-ninth-second-lead-off-hitter/?utm_term=.28d3fa97a115 Edited February 19, 2019 by Dan T. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 Some managers like doing that. I remember Riggleman did that also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoodBits Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 1 minute ago, Dan T. said: Washington Post Nats beat reporter Jesse Dougherty writes that the Nats and Davey Martinez are thinking about batting Victor Robles 9th as a "second leadoff hitter." They did that (position player 9th/pitcher 8th) some last year, most often with Wilmer Difo when he filled in at 3rd base Anthony Rendon was injured. https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2019/02/19/nationals-are-toying-with-idea-batting-victor-robles-ninth-second-lead-off-hitter/?utm_term=.28d3fa97a115 Would be a win/win imo. Robles is going to be no higher than a 7 hole hitter for us with a regular lineup. Hitting him 7 or 8 with catcher and pitcher behind him is an utter waste of his speed. Additionally, a young hitter with good *potential* at the plate could really use some protection to help him develop, which he wouldn’t get hitting 7th or below. Turner Eaton Rendon Soto Dozier Zimm Gomes/Suzuki Pitcher Robles Lineup looks ok on paper with the potential to be good. Certainly should generate plenty of RBI chances for 3-6 slots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 4 minutes ago, skinsfan_1215 said: Would be a win/win imo. Robles is going to be no higher than a 7 hole hitter for us with a regular lineup. Hitting him 7 or 8 with catcher and pitcher behind him is an utter waste of his speed. Additionally, a young hitter with good *potential* at the plate could really use some protection to help him develop, which he wouldn’t get hitting 7th or below. Turner Eaton Rendon Soto Dozier Zimm Gomes/Suzuki Pitcher Robles Lineup looks ok on paper with the potential to be good. Certainly should generate plenty of RBI chances for 3-6 slots. The Post article posits a different lineup: Eaton Turner Soto Rendon Zimmerman Dozier Catcher Pitcher Robles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearrock Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 Boz is on fire with his chat today, lol. Anyone subscribe to the Athletic? I love WP Nats coverage, but with Chelsea Jane on her politics assignment, I was wondering if a subscription to the Athletic might be worth it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 Just now, bearrock said: Boz is on fire with his chat today, lol. Anyone subscribe to the Athletic? I love WP Nats coverage, but with Chelsea Jane on her politics assignment, I was wondering if a subscription to the Athletic might be worth it Mark Zuckerman does a pretty decent job with his Nats Pastime site: http://www.masnsports.com/nationals-pastime/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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