skinfan2k Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 I saw i think one of the baseball insiders indicated that Bryce is going to add a opt-out after year 1 lol. I'm guessing he knows he can get out of philly if he hates it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAVEONAWARPATH Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 59 minutes ago, stevemcqueen1 said: Bryce signing with Philadelphia will cap off one of the worst winters in a long time for this city. Not happy about it but Soto/Robles lessens the blow significantly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 Boom, got a 6 game pack of tix for Saturday games and signed the kiddo up for the MVP kids club (so i can go on the field when she runs the bases). Will be weird taking my dog, Harper, to pups in the park this year. None are vs. Philly tho. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 On 2/23/2019 at 6:59 PM, CRobi21 said: Juan Soto things. 8 hours ago, Mr. Sinister said: Kid is going places. Gonna be a pleasure to watch. While im hesitant to say "As good as Bryce" atm, his AB approach makes me believe that he won't lull as much as Bryce. As good as Bryce has been, his swing always seemed like it had less of a buffer zone than other cats in his class. 7 hours ago, BenningRoadSkin said: I’m not gonna put that much on Soto but I’d rather play him that pay Harper his wages demands. Hopefully he and Robles can become special. Add some strength defensively too which was declining under Harper. An old post which I’m quite proud of. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 Bold prediction: Nats finish well ahead of the Phils in the standings even after Harper signs there. Harper gets booed as early as mid-April by the Philly "faithful." 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo#44 Posted February 25, 2019 Author Share Posted February 25, 2019 57 minutes ago, Warhead36 said: Bold prediction: Nats finish well ahead of the Phils in the standings even after Harper signs there. Harper gets booed as early as mid-April by the Philly "faithful." No one is talking about how bad their rotation is. Jake Arrieta is their #2. After May last year, he posted a 4.88 ERA. He has been on a three year decline. Vince Velasques, Zack Eflin, and Nick Pivetta had a good month or two and then got blown up. Odubel Herrera had a couple hot months and sucked, they still employ Mikel Franco. Segura, Harper, Realmuto, Hoskins make a good core, but people act like our lineup is ****. Eaton is better than a declining McCutcheon, Robles/Taylor are better than that headcase Herrera, Soto/Harper are a wash. Rendon is miles better than Franco, Segura/Turner are a wash, Dozier/Kieboom/Kendrick are better than Hernandez/Kingery. I'd take Hoskins over Zimm at this point--but only because of the injury issue. Realmuto is miles better than Gomes/Suzuki. But who would you rather have: Max-Stras-Corbin-Sanchez-Hellickson/Fedde/Ross or Nola-Arrieta-Pivetta-Eflin-Velasquez, who they have past Vasquez, I have no idea. They're also all right handed. Which means Matt Adams will get a lot of PAs. He has an .825 OPS for his career against righties. Their bullpen was **** last year too. They added David Robertson--who is okay as a closer. Fun fact--he's 2 years older than Doolittle, who is also better. And now their vaunted farm system is empty--either by trades or busts. Mostly busts. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoVaSkins21 Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 4 hours ago, stevemcqueen1 said: Bryce signing with Philadelphia will cap off one of the worst winters in a long time for this city. It's obviously about the money with Harper. Instead of being the centerpiece for a really good team, he just wants to be greedy and cash in. He'll probably end up being Giancarlo Stanton part 2 and won't end being worth it for Philly. $325M for Stanton and $300M+ for Harper. History has shown that these deals never work out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 4 hours ago, BRAVEONAWARPATH said: Not happy about it but Soto/Robles lessens the blow significantly. Yeah, we'll end up being alright. A successful strength in numbers strategy to cope with losing him can work. It still sucks though, because Bryce can single-handedly get you 8+ wins when he's at his best. I wish we could have made a run with him here. And I am not going to enjoy the permanent what-might-have-been scenario of losing an MVP caliber player to a division rival as he entered his prime. Especially if he wins anything with him. He's the most talented position player in the short history of our franchise, and likely will remain so for a while. Sucks that he didn't play out his career here. But, realistically, his good seasons also come sandwiched between 1 WAR seasons. His defensive inconsistency is a real price to pay despite the value at the plate. And 30 million dollars for a 1 WAR season is brutal. I think Bryce is making a terrible mistake. He should have taken the deal the Nats offered at the end of the season. Chasing the money to Philly of all places... it makes him a Judas and they're going to turn on him when he struggles. It's not going to be him finding a second home like Max did, it's going to be him starting his second life as a baseball vagabond and mercenary. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo#44 Posted February 25, 2019 Author Share Posted February 25, 2019 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 (edited) The disrespect to Philly is tangible now. Why would they even keep their offer out there? Edited February 25, 2019 by @SkinsGoldPants 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OVCChairman Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 45 minutes ago, @SkinsGoldPants said: The disrespect to Philly is tangible now. Why would they even keep their offer out there? because for 60 days they've been the only real player... and may still be. Rumor is that Dodgers are looking short term so Philly likely still the only one's willing to look at 10 years like originally wanted. I actually think this Dodgers thing could make things interesting, and it may actually be better for Bryce. I know he want security, but if he signs a 2 year deal with a 3rd year option, he'll be 28-29 when this happens again. I heard someone say that LA has always been his preferred destination because of proximity to home (Vegas) and the market of Hollywood. They also have spring training in Phoenix (also close to home) vs Phiilly who has theirs in FLA. If he wants to be close to Vegas and play in a BIG market, the Dodgers make the most sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sinister Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 I'll say this: He will get FAR less kid glove treatment from fans when he goes through a cold spell, especially after signing that contract. I think he'll miss how he was treated here. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 24 minutes ago, Mr. Sinister said: I'll say this: He will get FAR less kid glove treatment from fans when he goes through a cold spell, especially after signing that contract. I think he'll miss how he was treated here. Yeah. The Nats were his chance to build a legacy in a favorable environment. He could have been our Stan Musial. It's going to get ugly for him if he keeps putting up crap seasons in even years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OVCChairman Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, stevemcqueen1 said: Yeah. The Nats were his chance to build a legacy in a favorable environment. He could have been our Stan Musial. It's going to get ugly for him if he keeps putting up crap seasons in even years. My brother in law (Yankees fan) and I had this conversation 2 years ago. He was convinced that Harp was gonna end up in pinstripes. I told him that it didnt make sense because we've been just as competitive as the Yankees since Harper got drafted, and he can be the ORIGINAL National. In NY he's going to get lumped in with some of the greats, but here... He could be our Cal Ripken. He could cement himself into Nationals 'Mt Rushmore' and be there forever. He's likely to not even top the Yankees top 10. He could be what Ken Griffey Jr is to the Mariners, or Frank Thomas is to the White Sox. His Legacy would be so much bigger as a Nat. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo#44 Posted February 25, 2019 Author Share Posted February 25, 2019 If they resigned Harper, would they have gone after Corbin, Gomes, Rosenthal, Dozier, Hellickson, Sanchez... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, Riggo#44 said: If they resigned Harper, would they have gone after Corbin, Gomes, Rosenthal, Dozier, Hellickson, Sanchez... Some. Probably not all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo#44 Posted February 25, 2019 Author Share Posted February 25, 2019 1 minute ago, @SkinsGoldPants said: Some. Probably not all. I'd think Gomes, Rosenthal, Dozier, Sanchez would be likely. If they signed Harper, Eaton and/or Taylor would have been dealt? It's interesting to think what might have happened... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, Riggo#44 said: I'd think Gomes, Rosenthal, Dozier, Sanchez would be likely. If they signed Harper, Eaton and/or Taylor would have been dealt? It's interesting to think what might have happened... Eaton would have been moved Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OVCChairman Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 4 minutes ago, @SkinsGoldPants said: Eaton would have been moved It pains me to say this, but my gut tells me that if Harper has signed, Robles would have become a trade-able asset. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 1 minute ago, OVCChairman said: It pains me to say this, but my gut tells me that if Harper has signed, Robles would have become a trade-able asset. Not a chance. That's who Miami wanted in a trade for Realmuto. If they were open to moving Robles at all, it would have been done for him and they wouldn't have signed two catchers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OVCChairman Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 1 minute ago, @SkinsGoldPants said: Not a chance. That's who Miami wanted in a trade for Realmuto. If they were open to moving Robles at all, it would have been done for him and they wouldn't have signed two catchers. That was before Harper was signed. Houston also had a deal in place for Harper and we passed on it... I think they had hope but they knew Harper wasn't a lock, so they went conservative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearrock Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, OVCChairman said: because for 60 days they've been the only real player... and may still be. Rumor is that Dodgers are looking short term so Philly likely still the only one's willing to look at 10 years like originally wanted. I actually think this Dodgers thing could make things interesting, and it may actually be better for Bryce. I know he want security, but if he signs a 2 year deal with a 3rd year option, he'll be 28-29 when this happens again. I heard someone say that LA has always been his preferred destination because of proximity to home (Vegas) and the market of Hollywood. They also have spring training in Phoenix (also close to home) vs Phiilly who has theirs in FLA. If he wants to be close to Vegas and play in a BIG market, the Dodgers make the most sense If short term deals are on the table, i would imagine lot of teams would be back in (and the Nats should be back in too). But short term deals would be difficult for several reasons. From Harper's perspective, a two or three year deal is a high risk due to the looming CBA expiration in 2021. Talks appear to be headed towards a very hostile environment and possibility of work stoppage is real for 2022. He wouldn't want to enter FA before 2021 (when all the teams would be tightfisted due to potential work stoppage) or before 2022 (when there may actually be work stoppage). Even if CBA gets hashed out, there is a very good possibility that money will be shifted more to younger players (who currently represent the bargain in arbitration years). At age 29 or 30, Harper may be looking at becoming the next JD Martinez. The other consideration is that right now Harper hasn't produced to earn a $300 mil contract. But teams are willing to give him the opportunity to earn it because he's entering his top prime years and he's shown that he could do it. If he ends up 4-5 war instead of 7-8 over the next 3-4 years, there's no way he sniffs 6-7 year contract at 29-30 with AAV of 30+. 7 minutes ago, OVCChairman said: It pains me to say this, but my gut tells me that if Harper has signed, Robles would have become a trade-able asset. Would make sense. Trade Robles for top flight pitching prospect. Eaton right now probably helps more than Robles and the team has to view some decisions through the prism of the window it has with Max. 5 minutes ago, @SkinsGoldPants said: Not a chance. That's who Miami wanted in a trade for Realmuto. If they were open to moving Robles at all, it would have been done for him and they wouldn't have signed two catchers. How much better is Realmuto over Gomes+Suzuki? Realmuto is great, but he's not Posey in his prime. Edited February 25, 2019 by bearrock 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, OVCChairman said: That was before Harper was signed. Houston also had a deal in place for Harper and we passed on it... I think they had hope but they knew Harper wasn't a lock, so they went conservative. Nothing to do with Harper. They wanted Robles and Soto for the future knowing they'd keep Harper or run with Eaton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 24 minutes ago, OVCChairman said: My brother in law (Yankees fan) and I had this conversation 2 years ago. He was convinced that Harp was gonna end up in pinstripes. I told him that it didnt make sense because we've been just as competitive as the Yankees since Harper got drafted, and he can be the ORIGINAL National. In NY he's going to get lumped in with some of the greats, but here... He could be our Cal Ripken. He could cement himself into Nationals 'Mt Rushmore' and be there forever. He's likely to not even top the Yankees top 10. He could be what Ken Griffey Jr is to the Mariners, or Frank Thomas is to the White Sox. His Legacy would be so much bigger as a Nat. In a weird way, I'm kind of glad that Zimmerman will stay Mr National (for position players) for now. I love Ryan and he was the original draw that got me to start watching. His walkoffs were sports porn and they reminded me why I loved baseball as a kid. And he's a favorite son of Virginia. Bryce is obviously in a different class as a player, but I don't feel like the fanbase ever truly fell in love with him. It's weird, because he's a really nice guy and a great player and a huge star. There is nothing wrong with him, I'm not quite sure what the hold up was. Bryce is like that super gorgeous model you date in your first few years in college but she's a little crazy and her life style is alien to you and you never truly feel at home with her. Not like with that first love you had from High School (Zimmerman). And then after you break up she starts dating a weird rich guy who claims he's a DJ and he's kind of a tool and you don't see or think about her much any more after that. Then you go on to meet the beautiful girl who is right for you and you settle down and get married (Scherzer). 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OVCChairman Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 Just now, stevemcqueen1 said: In a weird way, I'm kind of glad that Zimmerman will stay Mr National (for position players) for now. I love Ryan and he was the original draw that got me to start watching. His walkoffs were sports porn and they reminded me why I loved baseball as a kid. And he's a favorite son of Virginia. Bryce is obviously in a different class as a player, but I don't feel like the fanbase ever truly fell in love with him. It's weird, because he's a really nice guy and a great player and a huge star. There is nothing wrong with him, I'm not quite sure what the hold up was. Bryce is like that super gorgeous model you date in your first few years in college but she's a little crazy and her life style is alien to you and you never truly feel at home with her. Not like with that first love you had from High School (Zimmerman). And then after you break up she starts dating a weird rich guy who claims he's a DJ and he's kind of a tool and you don't see or think about her much any more after that. Then you go on to meet the beautiful girl who is right for you and you settle down and get married (Scherzer). Because we all had a feeling that he wasn't invested in us like we would have been invested for him. From the minute he was drafted, most people knew we only had him til he was a free agent. Then we were going to either have to totally over pay, or he was going to be wearing a different uni. Zimmerman was our first draft pick, so he's always going to be a member of Nats lore... I hope he's holding a WS trophy in some of the banners we see around the ballpark in future years, he deserves it. LoL on the analogy regarding HS dating. Zimm better retire a Nat, never wearing another uni as long as he's a player. The dude deserves everything he gets from us, and I'll truly be hurt to see him be traded or released. The guy is absolutely the 1st person on Nats 'Mt Rushmore' and he'll be there forever imho. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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