Skinsinparadise Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 13 minutes ago, mistertim said: I have such a hard time constructing a scene in my mind where Jay and the scouts are watching film of Daniel Jones and they say "YES, that's the guy!" It just doesn't compute at all. It feels like listening to everyone and at this point tough for me to recall who said what that Jay's main position is no QBs at 15. Kyle too. But the only one that dived into Kyle's part of this was Keim and just a tad So the main debate is draft a QB or not. Then if it turns that someone there is pushing them to take a QB period then Jay and I gather maybe Kyle are saying not Haskins. Keim thinks the dude then is Jones and the national reporters seem to agree. Finlay and Sheehan think its Lock. But yeah Jones to me doesn't seem to be Jay's kind of guy. Jones is the opposite of a gun slinger. Supposedly Jay didn't think Kirk or Alex took enough risks and he's going to dive into someone even more conservative than them? Cooley would in particular have Jay all wrong as for what he likes. He contends from talking to him he gathered he likes a QB with some moxie both as a player and as a personality. And as Hoffman said once, Jones is negative moxie. To me the biggest misperception of Jones is the thought that since the dude is conservative he's really good at protecting the ball. But the funny thing is he isn't. He gets sacked a lot. He has his share of tipped balls. He has his share of interceptions. He led the eligible QBs in fumbles. The dude is both conservative and turnover prone. Yeah the two variables typically don't go hand in hand. But it has gone hand in hand in his college career. I still think it's a smokescreen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skin'emAlive Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 7 minutes ago, PartyPosse said: Give me Khalil Hodge in the 6th or 7th I have Khalil going in the 3rd to Chicago to fill the Trevathon hole. But I would be ecstatic if he fell to us in the 5th. He’s a beast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 The fact that the "trained with the Mannings and their guru" thing is still working on some people is astonishing. If that was such an advantage and they picked him out of the crowd bc he's special...don't you think he'd be better already?? When the biggest talking point about a guy is the better players he trains with...rethink it imo. Reminds me of Hackenburg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volsmet Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 47 minutes ago, mistertim said: Problem is, that's about the only thing that even somewhat stands out about Jones. Everything else is completely "meh". What's the point of a QB being very composed in the pocket in the face of pressure if he isn't all that good at actually being a QB? In real life, Lock takes care of the ball better than Jones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PartyPosse Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 Just now, Skin'emAlive said: I have Khalil going in the 3rd to Chicago to fill the Trevathon hole. But I would be ecstatic if he fell to us in the 5th. He’s a beast. He had a BAD pro day so i don't see him going on day 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinny21 Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 18 minutes ago, volsmet said: Ol ... without a close 2nd. I completely agree that shoring up LG to try to prevent/limit the quick pressure up the middle on Haskins would be paramount. With that said, Haskins obviously can make use of, or even needs, a speedier/separation type of receiver. Ironically, last year I really liked Parris Campbell, but this year, I think we can do better - Harry, AJ Brown, maybe Samuel/Butler/Isabella. Were we to have Haskins in the fold though, maybe Campbell is the better bet. We damn well better wind up with a guard in the 3rd though (and another later) in that scenario. On a related note - were we to wind up with Grier (I know you’d puke, and frankly, I’ve started to tilt a bit more your direction, though I still like him), I hope we draft Sills or Jennings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RemoveSnyder Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, stevemcqueen1 said: You should have told us that before the homeless clown-faced gimp showed up 😏 There's definitely some grab ass going on in here today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 12 minutes ago, Skins Skeptic said: I feel like Sheehan's sources are Cooley, Cooley and Cooley, but I think Dan loves him some Cooley. Could be. Sheehan has gotten some things right so his sources whether it's Cooley or whomever can be on the money. The cool thing about the QB narrative is really each beat guy has a slightly different narrative so its a good shot to see whose sources end up better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 31 minutes ago, Skins Skeptic said: So Russini has sources saying the Skins want to trade up for Haskins and Jones. I interpret that as the Skins trying to get the Giants to pick Haskins or Jones at 6. So Google says Gal Gadot has a husband. I interpret that as her just waiting for the signal from me to get a divorce and move in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinny21 Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 27 minutes ago, Skin'emAlive said: The ILB pick is a crap shoot. I like the speed kirven brings. I could see us going with Tre Lamar or someone else, like that dude from MD here as well. This ones a difficult pick for me. But I think speed at the LB position is paramount see as how stout our DL is. Kirven definitely has that. I’m inclined to agree with @volsmeton this one, but I will say that BBK packed on about 8 lbs pre-combine. I could see him playing ST in year 1 while he works himself closer to the 240 range (if possible). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volsmet Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 37 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said: The national and local reporters aren't that far apart on the Qb issue in one sense. That is, Bruce and Dan (some say Doug, too) love love love Haskins. The scouts and Jay in that building not so much. Keim in one of his podcast appearance flat out suggested from what he heard Kyle isn't a Haskins guy. Jay clearly isn't. He said (among others) if Haskins ends up the guy people in the FO were overridden. How much better Lock is than Haskins is substantial. 37 minutes ago, Skinarchy said: I hear ya, but I put much much more weight into: training heart I like Montez Sweat too. 32 minutes ago, Skins Skeptic said: If we're on a first round QB, I hope it's Lock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 13 minutes ago, PartyPosse said: I think our entire draft plan is dependent upon if Arizona takes Murray. If they decide not to it could indicate that teams aren't too high on this year's crops of QBs and could signal a massive fall for all of them. I personally hope they don't draft one at 15 and if someone like Haskins is there then I'm sure we could trade down with a team that really loves him and get a couple extra picks. If there's a team that loves Haskins below us, they'll surely trade with someone else ahead of us to get him with all this smoke out there. Which means if it's our smoke, we're really bad at this. (If we were hoping to use a QB to trade down) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volsmet Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 35 minutes ago, Skin'emAlive said: The ILB pick is a crap shoot. I like the speed kirven brings. I could see us going with Tre Lamar or someone else, like that dude from MD here as well. This ones a difficult pick for me. But I think speed at the LB position is paramount see as how stout our DL is. Kirven definitely has that. Pratt is also interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilco_holland Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 6 minutes ago, ConnSKINS26 said: So Google says Gal Gadot has a husband. I interpret that as her just waiting for the signal from me to get a divorce and move in. 😂 Good luck to top this comment today!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volsmet Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 32 minutes ago, stevemcqueen1 said: Any last consensus on Zach Allen, Dre'Mont Jones, or Jerry Tillery? We didn't get all of the way through the DLs this year. Jones gets washed v the run, he can’t be a 2g dl imo, give me all kinds of Tillery. 34 minutes ago, Poindexter said: Blake Cashman will be the LB we target...guaranteed. Unless for some reason Mack Wilson falls into the 3rd round. Cashman is a warrior and he is certainly a character fit. 17 minutes ago, stevemcqueen1 said: You should have told us that before the homeless clown-faced gimp showed up 😏 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volsmet Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 16 minutes ago, skinny21 said: I completely agree that shoring up LG to try to prevent/limit the quick pressure up the middle on Haskins would be paramount. With that said, Haskins obviously can make use of, or even needs, a speedier/separation type of receiver. Ironically, last year I really liked Parris Campbell, but this year, I think we can do better - Harry, AJ Brown, maybe Samuel/Butler/Isabella. Were we to have Haskins in the fold though, maybe Campbell is the better bet. We damn well better wind up with a guard in the 3rd though (and another later) in that scenario. On a related note - were we to wind up with Grier (I know you’d puke, and frankly, I’ve started to tilt a bit more your direction, though I still like him), I hope we draft Sills or Jennings. I love Campbell, but if we draft Haskins protecting the middle of the line is priority 1-100. He can’t succeed without it, protect him & coach him up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted April 25, 2019 Author Share Posted April 25, 2019 28 minutes ago, Skin'emAlive said: The ILB pick is a crap shoot. I like the speed kirven brings. I could see us going with Tre Lamar or someone else, like that dude from MD here as well. This ones a difficult pick for me. But I think speed at the LB position is paramount see as how stout our DL is. Kirven definitely has that. I love Tre Watson, he's a grown man. I think he'd be a nice bargain in a late round. But my favorite ILB prospect in the class is Te'Von Coney. He was the leader of a badass defense in Notre Dame. Very instinctive and physical and much more athletic than people expect. He reaches that outside hip and the runner just stops cold. He's got a reputation for being trash in coverage, but he got way, way better this season and he can hold up in zone because he's really smart and long armed. The hip flexibility isn't very good, but he copes by being patient and staying in position and vacating his gap early in order to get to the right hole. His take-on strength is excellent and he can stun a climbing guard with long arms and a hard blow. His tape shows good, clean, physical, classic MIKE linebacker play. If we could snag him in like the 5th round, that would be awesome. I'd even take him with one of our thirds. He's good enough to become a starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertim Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 21 minutes ago, volsmet said: In real life, Lock takes care of the ball better than Jones. Agreed. One thing I made sure to watch for when I went through Jones's cutups was batted balls. He had a really high number of them, despite being ****ing 6'5. The biggest driver for that that I found was his propensity to sometimes stare down his first reads bad. Like, really bad. There was one INT where he was literally looking right at the guy for about 4-5 seconds before finally letting it fly. DB saw it coming the whole time and was just sitting on it, waiting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 Just turned on ESPN, funny how Dianne Russini puts it Dan Snyder and Bruce Allen want Dwayne Haskins. Then says others in the building want Daniel Jones. But at least she's off the train of them wanting to trade up. She is saying now they want them to fall to #15. If you buy recent mocks, the odds either fall, Lock too are pretty good. Will see. Schefter now saying too they aren't trading up. And they are waiting for Haskins or Jones to fall to 15. If that's really true, I know what am rooting for to happen in picks 1-14. 😀 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skin'emAlive Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 23 minutes ago, volsmet said: Pratt is also interesting. Absolutely. I have him as the 3rd best ilb behind Devin and Mack Wilson. Everyone else is a big step behind those 3 imo. Earlier on in my mocks I had us going with Pratt with our high 3rd! The issue is I think we try and fill the Wr/Qb/S spots with out premium picks, and address the OL with our high 3rd instead. If any of Tytus Howard, McCoy, or Jenkins are there, we have to take them. Otherwise, yea I’m down for Pratt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins Skeptic Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said: If you buy recent mocks, the odds either fall, Lock too are pretty good. I absolutely know nothing about what is real, but the hype around Lock at the Senior Bowl was real. I'm not sure I believe anything else that has been said since, but he blew at least some people away. I really think he's going higher than people are talking about now. Wouldn't be shocked if he goes top 5 when all is said and done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 Tim Hasselbeck ripping Haskins on ESPN right now, showing plays where he stares down receivers and doesn't adjust. Then Rex Ryan kicks in agreeing with him and says the Haskins stuff to DC is a smokescreen. Pure talking head crap but I admit i was entertained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Batman Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 25 minutes ago, volsmet said: How much better Lock is than Haskins is substantial. I like Montez Sweat too. I ask this because you seem to be a Vols fan. I'm a Game****. I cannot understand the love for Lock. He is GOD AWFUL against every halfway decent team that isn't Georgia. Turnover prone, anti-clutch, completely loses defenders, misses open guys. Consistently, across his entire career. Look at his statistical breakdown. Did he just show out against UT over the years and I missed it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skin'emAlive Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 14 minutes ago, stevemcqueen1 said: I love Tre Watson, he's a grown man. I think he'd be a nice bargain in a late round. But my favorite ILB prospect in the class is Te'Von Coney. He was the leader of a badass defense in Notre Dame. Very instinctive and physical and much more athletic than people expect. He reaches that outside hip and the runner just stops cold. He's got a reputation for being trash in coverage, but he got way, way better this season and he can hold up in zone because he's really smart and long armed. The hip flexibility isn't very good, but he copes by being patient and staying in position and vacating his gap early in order to get to the right hole. His take-on strength is excellent and he can stun a climbing guard with long arms and a hard blow. His tape shows good, clean, physical, classic MIKE linebacker play. If we could snag him in like the 5th round, that would be awesome. I'd even take him with one of our thirds. He's good enough to become a starter. I think Te’Von brings too many similarities to Mason Foster honestly. Id rather see us going with speed or athleticism in the middle because we run the nickel so often. Pratt/Hodge/Kirven/Watson would all be good options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbias Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 Got a short video of Jay Gruden on his way to the war room: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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