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Miami Herald: I’m done trying to understand Trump supporters. Why don’t they try to understand me?


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On 8/14/2022 at 5:01 PM, Llevron said:

I’m not at all on bored with the idea that 99% of these people are talking ****. Most of the people who attacked the Capital weren’t serious either, until they were. They say that themselves in their own trials. 
 

And I think there is a huge difference between protesting the government and the threatening  to kill government workers. I see their threats as exactly that. They are not coy about their intent. 

Ok but when a shot rang out everyone did what exactly?

 

nothing. They got quiet and moved out of the way. 
 

it’s all fun and games…

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9 hours ago, tshile said:

Ok but when a shot rang out everyone did what exactly?

 

nothing. They got quiet and moved out of the way. 
 

it’s all fun and games…

 

Well you have a good point. Most of those folks didn't have weapons though. Specifically, the armed protest at the FBI office seems like a serious threat to me. At that point the only difference for me between them and terrorists are the fact that they are American citizens. And I don't really hold that in high enough regard for it to mean much. Armed protests are not normal political discourse. 

 

 

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Dinesh D’Souza Movie Star Booted From Party for Bringing Gun

 

Earlier this year, election-fraud conspiracy theorist Gregg Phillips shot to fame on the right as one of the stars of 2,000 Mules, conservative pundit Dinesh D’Souza’s quasi-documentary attempt to prove the 2020 election was stolen. Since the movie’s release in May, however, Phillips has claimed he has proof of election fraud that was “10 times” bigger than 2,000 Mules.

 

On Saturday, Phillips vowed to finally release his information in front of a crowd of more than 100 conservative conspiracy theorists and influencers at an exclusive gathering he dubbed “The Pit.” But what was meant to be Phillips’s moment of triumph ended in disaster, as police ushered Phillips from his own afterparty for bringing a gun and warned him not to return.

 

Phillips’ ouster from his event marks the latest blunder for election-fraud conspiracy theorists. For Phillips and his organization, True the Vote, it’s yet another time they’ve tried and failed to prove election fraud.

 

Phillips’ weekend initially went according to plan, with a rogue’s gallery of QAnon promoters and other far-right figures meeting at an “undisclosed location” near Scottsdale, Arizona to hear Phillips’ much-hyped announcement. Dubbed “The Ripcord,” as in Phillips’s constant threats to “pulling the ripcord www” and releasing his purported evidence.

 

The big reveal, however, turned out to be a massive flop, with Phillips merely directing his fans to a partially built website that appears to offer supporters a chance to pay money to see proof of election fraud.

 

That disappointment didn’t stop Phillips and the conservative pundits in his entourage from heading to Scottsdale’s Hotel Valley Ho for the after-party. Soon after the event began, though, hotel security noticed that Phillips was armed with a gun, a violation of hotel policy.

 

Phillips refused the security guards’ multiple requests that he leave the party, according to a Scottsdale Police Department email to The Daily Beast. The security guards called the police, who warned Phillips in the parking lot outside the hotel that he needed to leave or face a trespassing charge.

 

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Weeks before Mar-a-Lago search, ex-Trump DOD official vowed to publish classified documents from National Archives

 

In June of this year, seven weeks before the FBI raided former President Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate in search of classified materials, former Defense Department appointee and outspoken Trump loyalist Kash Patel vowed to retrieve classified documents from the National Archives and publish them on his website.

 

Trump had just issued a letter instructing the National Archives to grant Patel and conservative journalist John Solomon access to nonpublic administration records, according to reporting at the time.

 

Patel, who under Trump had been the chief of staff for the acting defense secretary, claimed in a string of interviews that Trump had declassified a trove of "Russiagate documents" in the final days of his administration. But Patel claimed Trump's White House counsel had blocked the release of those documents, and instead had them delivered to the National Archives.

 

"I've never told anyone this because it just happened," Patel said in an interview on a pro-Trump podcast on June 22. "I'm going to identify every single document that they blocked from being declassified at the National Archives, and we're going to start putting that information out next week."

 

Patel did not provide a clear explanation of how he would legally or practically obtain the documents.

 

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40 minutes ago, China said:

 

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As somebody whose grandmother was likely on a government list during McCarthy for being a liberal, I find his statement about "if your grandmother was a conservative, you could be on their list" rather amusingly ignorant of our country's history.  She was one of the early members of the Women's League of Voters and regularly put out liberal position pieces for them.

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