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      The home team fans are at home, these games no longer matter, and it’s probably better for the team to lose than it is to win.  It must be December in Washington.  Welcome to week 15!
       
      Redskins Inactive: 
      Colt McCoy  
      Trey Quinn 
      Quinton Dunbar  
      Josh Harvey-Clemons  
      Ross Pierschbacher  
      Brandon Scherff  
      Caleb Wilson  
       
      Eagles Inactive: 
      Nate Sudfeld  
      Nelson Agholor 
      Jordan Howard  
      Shareef Miller 
      Lane Johnson  
      Sua Opeta  
      Derek Barnet
       
      There are two camps for Redskins fans at this time of year.  Those that want to tank and those that want to win.  If this describes you, I want you to know something important. You’re wrong.  You should probably feel bad about it too, but that’s your business.  The right way to go about this, is simply to embrace the double think.  
       
      Before and after the game it’s perfectly reasonable to acknowledge that losing has its advantages.  It does and it is undeniable.  Afterall we could be talking about the difference between Chase Young being in a Redskins uniform, or not.  What we need for that to happen is simple.  Redskins lose out.  Giants beat the Dolphins and Redskins.  Dolphins beat the Bengals.  All of these things are perfectly reasonable outcomes.  We’re that close to having an elite pass rusher.   
       
      Before that happens, we have a game to play.  It is in this moment that we should embrace the other side of our demented double think.  While the game is being played, especially against a division opponent, fans should want their team to do well.  Assuming they have a soul and any decency.  There is just no way that I can root for the Eagles to beat the Redskins during a game.  If you are the type of fan that does this, I hope you find someone that can fix what has broken inside of you.   
       
      Pregame Prediction:  Redskins 23 – Eagles 30  
      More interesting game we are missing because we are still watching the Redskins:  Packers – Bears  
      Things I am snacking on:  Brownie.   
      Number of colons used:  Six.  (so far)  
       
      Check back for updates.  I’m going to wander around the room for a while and stretch my legs to get away from a certain well-known ESPN Eagle fan’s boring conversations that my ear phones aren’t blocking out entirely.
Voice_of_Reason

Evaluating Jay Gruden in 2018

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5 minutes ago, Butters20 said:

Trent is still top 3 in league.

 

He still has trade value. But the injuries are accumulating and it would be a shame to tie him to this team. 

 

If you love something, set it free.     Or something like that 

I don't believe he's top 3 in the league. His value is very minimal. Nobody will give up much for him if anything. We'll have to cut him and we should but we won't because this team doesn't operate with any sort of foresight or outside the box creative thinking.

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12 minutes ago, Warhead36 said:

The team has obviously quit. I know we have 3rd stringers all over on offense, but the effort level isn't there and that's on the coach.

 

While I think Gruden got some rotten luck with the injuries, ultimately he has gotta go. You look around the league and other teams whose seasons were over long before ours are playing a lot harder.

 

The fact that we have so many backups playing should mean we see even more effort by guys trying to prove their worth, if not for this team, then for any other team that might see them on tape. 

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When players are complaining about practice and they don't have enough pride to give 100% effort on the field then the coach has lost the team, once that's happened its over, time to move on.

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Snyder should fire Jay Gruden and hire Russ Grimm ASAP.  He would take the job as he loves the franchise and bring discipline which is what we need most.   

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2 minutes ago, emoore0222 said:

Snyder should fire Jay Gruden and hire Russ Grimm ASAP.  He would take the job as he loves the franchise and bring discipline which is what we need most.   

 

 And we can get Monte Coleman to be the LB coach, Charles Mann to be the d-line coach, John Riggins to be the RB coach, and...well, you get the picture.

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3 minutes ago, emoore0222 said:

Snyder should fire Jay Gruden and hire Russ Grimm ASAP.  He would take the job as he loves the franchise and bring discipline which is what we need most.   

NO. No more ex-players! No more Manusky's. No more Grimms. No more Buccaneers. JUST. SAY. NO.

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2 minutes ago, BraveWarrior said:

 

The fact that we have so many backups playing should mean we see even more effort by guys trying to prove their worth, if not for this team, then for any other team that might see them on tape. 

 

Effort won't get you much against pro players.

Though the effort is seriously missing on D right now.

 

And we're gonna end the season with a weird stat as the team that scores first always win our games. Considering our O, it'll likely carry on til the end of the season.

 

I feel like our coaching staff is fed up having to plug and play new guys every week. And you can feel that on the players. End of season cannot come soon enough for all of them...

 

Last year our season was over when CT went down.

This season did the same when Alex Smith, Lauvao and Scherff went down.

 

So it seems some are hoping to get fired, cut, or whatever so they can get out of this mess soon.

 

Sadly we cannot be cut and have to live through it...

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4 minutes ago, NickyJ said:

NO. No more ex-players! No more Manusky's. No more Grimms. No more Buccaneers. JUST. SAY. NO.

Agreed. My requirement for new GM and/or coach is to have NO ties to this franchise. None whatsoever. I want someone completely fresh and new.

 

We're the only franchise in the league that is obsessed with our past. There are brilliant minds all over the NFL.

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Tank the rest of the season, and hope we can get someone in the draft like Will Grier of WVU....JMHO.....place to start fixing this mess possibly...JMO

 

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7 minutes ago, skins island connection said:

 

 And we can get Monte Coleman to be the LB coach, Charles Mann to be the d-line coach, John Riggins to be the RB coach, and...well, you get the picture.

 

ANd hire Brian Mitchell as PR director. Then he can't talk **** about us anymore... 

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12 minutes ago, Warhead36 said:

I don't believe he's top 3 in the league. His value is very minimal. Nobody will give up much for him if anything. We'll have to cut him and we should but we won't because this team doesn't operate with any sort of foresight or outside the box creative thinking.

He's at least close to top 3 when healthy still, but he rarely is these days.

 

But he's younger and better than Duane Brown when he was dealt. Brown also had some big injuries and he was holding out. He was traded (with a 5th) for a 2nd and a 3rd.  It's really a matter of finding a team with a big LT need, that's close enough to contending for him to make a difference, and that evaluates Williams' injuries as not too troubling.

 

He also could be a guy who's peak trade value could come during the season, pre-deadline.

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7 minutes ago, skins island connection said:

 

 And we can get Monte Coleman to be the LB coach, Charles Mann to be the d-line coach, John Riggins to be the RB coach, and...well, you get the picture.

Has anyone you mentioned coached in the NFL?  Did they coach in the last few years?  Did they help win a super bowl as a coach?   I can understand you not agreeing but I don't think the extra was necessary.

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2 hours ago, righteousbowi said:

Ladies and Gentlemen,  I do believe this may be the last of the Tampa connection In DC. Time to right the ship and bring back a Defensive minded coach, I'll say Vic Fangio(miss spell) or Greg Williams. 

Gregg has won 3 games with the Browns since he became interim coach. 

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Does he still suck? Let me check...

 

Yup, still sucks. 

 

Seriously, I’m tired of seeing Jay’s clueless mug on TV looking like he’s not really sure what’s going on. You never see him respond to poor play or chew guys out or anything. It’s just the same, dopey look like he’s going through the motions. We will never win anything with him and some of the other guys on this staff, no matter who is playing.

 

He has had an opportunity and he hasn’t performed. Simple as that.

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This game had some of the most unimaginative play calling I have ever seen.  Every single time AP got the ball the Giants were on top of him.  It was like they knew our playbook better than Sanchez did, which is not all that hard to imagine.  Jay is supposed to be a great offensive mind.  The only thing offensive about him is his play calling.  Absolutely horrendous.  Pack up your office and don't forget to turn off the lights on your way out.

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I've always liked Jay...it's hard not to. But he can't come back. He just doesn't have what it takes to take the next step. 

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I'm watching RZ and they're showing Broncos/49ers. The 49ers, who also have a ton of injuries including to their starting QB, are up 20-0 on a good Bronco team.

 

I'm not saying we should expect similar results, but I want the same kind of dedication to effort and preparation.

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8 minutes ago, lavar1156 said:

I've always liked Jay...it's hard not to. But he can't come back. He just doesn't have what it takes to take the next step. 

 

Lol @ next step.

 

Hd can't take us to square one if he tried, forget the next step.

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I think today was a big step in showing Jay the door. 

 

I'm not one to typically **** about playcalling but...todays playcalling was terrible.  And I know we've got two quarterbacks that have been here about 5 minutes but....that end around to Chesson was just dumb.  I've yet to see an end around play work with Gruden as coach.  

 

Jay is a good dude but I think it's time for a refresh.

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49 minutes ago, BraveWarrior said:

 

The fact that we have so many backups playing should mean we see even more effort by guys trying to prove their worth, if not for this team, then for any other team that might see them on tape. 

 

effort means less when the collective talent drops below  a certain level

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A good coach understands the players he has and their limitations...

 

A good coach DOES NOT...

 

Run RPO with Mark Sanchez behind 4th string O line at their own 1 yard line

 

Hand the ball to Chris Thompson up the gut on 3rd and 2 when you have Adrian Peterson

 

Run a jet sweep to chiasson when you have CT and Crowder

 

And that was while the game was still within reach

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47 minutes ago, NickyJ said:

NO. No more ex-players! No more Manusky's. No more Grimms. No more Buccaneers. JUST. SAY. NO.

No more coaches from losing franchises 

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In general i have been supporter of Jay but i think this is a lost cause now... just the whole leadership structure....

 

Fire Bruce and Jay now... promote the young guy within to be the GM... give him few werks head start to look for the right new coach and move on...

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1 hour ago, Warhead36 said:

I don't believe he's top 3 in the league. His value is very minimal. Nobody will give up much for him if anything. We'll have to cut him and we should but we won't because this team doesn't operate with any sort of foresight or outside the box creative thinking.

He's top 3 (name 3 that are undisputibly better). 

 

And he's scheme flexible, since he's very mobile and athletic. 

 

Therefore, he's got a lot of value. 

 

Anyways....

Don't think he gets traded or cut, but it's a way to get picks and save money...

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