twa Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 Just now, Springfield said: Fair enough. IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE. I fail to see how the good guy with a gun helped. Perhaps, the police could have apprehended him and he could have been served justice. Or maybe he would have blown his crazy little brains out anyhow. probably saved us a trial and endless appeals. For sure tracked and controlled the threat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 Just now, PokerPacker said: In this particular case, the good guy with a gun put him down before the police could arrive. You don't think the body count would be higher if they had to wait for the police to show up? I thought he was running away and they chased him down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerPacker Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 Just now, Springfield said: I thought he was running away and they chased him down. I will admit I hadn't read all the details. I will check into that. Prepare a plate of crow for when I get back and I may find myself eating it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 Just now, Springfield said: I thought he was running away and they chased him down. you missed the two wounds?...not counting the third probably self inflicted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 1 minute ago, twa said: you missed the two wounds?...not counting the third probably self inflicted. They didn’t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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PokerPacker Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 Okay, @Springfield, reading the exact details, the shooter fled after a local armed citizen fired upon him (and I believe during this exchange he was shot twice). He was not killed during the height of the spree, but it was an armed response from the locals that put an end to it and caused the shooter to flee and ultimately kill himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 1 minute ago, PokerPacker said: Okay, @Springfield, reading the exact details, the shooter fled after a local armed citizen fired upon him (and I believe during this exchange he was shot twice). He was not killed during the height of the spree, but it was an armed response from the locals that put an end to it and caused the shooter to flee and ultimately kill himself. Good. I’m glad that they stepped in then. Probably saved more people. I’m sleepy, you win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 Just now, Springfield said: Good. I’m glad that they stepped in then. Probably saved more people. I’m sleepy, you win. Hard to step in earlier when he wasn't there. sleep tight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerPacker Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 1 minute ago, Springfield said: Good. I’m glad that they stepped in then. Probably saved more people. I’m sleepy, you win. I will say this, though, I am a bit scared by their decision to chase him down after he fled. What I read is they pursued him up at up to 95 MPH chasing him down until he crashed (presumably because he shot himself). Granted, outside of the city limits of San Antonio, the roads can be quite open and high speed driving isn't unheard of (I used to go 85 MPH on my way to work once I got past the traffic). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 isn't that the speed limit? Pretty sure west of SA it is unlimited Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerPacker Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 17 minutes ago, twa said: isn't that the speed limit? Pretty sure west of SA it is unlimited Well you're not exactly wrong. Although I do believe Sutherland is east of San Antonio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterMP Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 7 hours ago, twa said: Shouldn't the database include military convictions though? Is this the 70's? As I said, somebody put it in the database wrong. If you put the wrong level or type of conviction into it (where the military does not have felonies and misdemeanors or a direct crime for domestic abuse (he was charged with assault), then the database has the wrong information in it and the person gets approved for a gun. A database is only as good as the people maintaining it and no system is ever going to maintain a database perfectly, which is one reason why I support a mechanism of some sort of local input (e.g. approval by local police with an appeal process if they are wrong). If you are dependent only on a national database, then you are going to have this type of issue occasionally. (Best guess as to why no carrry permits is the federal law for owning a gun requires a dishonorable discharge, which he didn't have. Wouldn't be surprised if TX law for conceal carry disallows with a bad character discharge. Also, apparently he had some issue with abuse of an animal so again maybe triggered something for the carry permit.) Hadn't he exited the Church when the local with the gun engaged him? And he'd left his car running? It sounded like to me that he was leaving and at least was done in the Church. (This doesn't mean that they didn't save lives as he had more guns in the car and could have been headed somewhere else to kill more people, especially as he hadn't killed the in laws.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 Awww man, looks like we don’t even get a facebook profile picture filter for this mass shooting. That blows. #TheNewNormal #WaterTheTreeOfLibertyWithInnocentBlood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LD0506 Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 So, that's settled, case closed, nothing to see here............ Quote For those with little understanding of and less regard for the Christian faith, there may be no greater image of prayer’s futility than Christians being gunned down mid-supplication. But for those familiar with the Bible’s promises concerning prayer and violence, nothing could be further from the truth. When those saints of First Baptist Church were murdered yesterday, God wasn’t ignoring their prayers. He was answering them. http://reverbpress.com/religion/pastor-hans-fiene-texas-shooting-god-answering-prayers/ Thanks for the help there big guy, if I happen to buttdial ya please don't pick up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 4 minutes ago, LD0506 said: So, that's settled, case closed, nothing to see here............ http://reverbpress.com/religion/pastor-hans-fiene-texas-shooting-god-answering-prayers/ Thanks for the help there big guy, if I happen to buttdial ya please don't pick up Thus the dilemma where every pastor is their own Pope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llevron Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 7 hours ago, visionary said: His fake empathy really drives me nuts. But past that them giving this armed citizen so much praise is going to lead to more deaths. No one here can be stupid enough to think that the average how blow American should be actively searching out crime and putting a stop to it themselves. And that is exactly what they are passively telling people. You need your gun so you can go save lives when called on. Not a good idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 3 minutes ago, Llevron said: His fake empathy really drives me nuts. But past that them giving this armed citizen so much praise is going to lead to more deaths. No one here can be stupid enough to think that the average how blow American should be actively searching out crime and putting a stop to it themselves. And that is exactly what they are passively telling people. You need your gun so you can go save lives when called on. Not a good idea. Passively???? ”The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.” That’s not passive, they have it tattooed on their eyelids. But then show them a video of the “good guy” shooting the victim (gas station robbery last year) and thry want to dismiss it. They really do want everyone running around armed and loaded. This is their fantasy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zguy28 Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 8 hours ago, visionary said: Too bad it did nothing to save the first 26. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 13 minutes ago, Zguy28 said: Too bad it did nothing to save the first 26. Yeah, them’s the breaks. How else can we focus on the “hero” to perpetuate our myth without five year olds being murdered first? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterMP Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 NPR reported this morning everybody that shouldn't get a gun based on the military entries in the national database is because of dishonorable discharge. Seems like they are only reporting dishonorable discharge or this is the only guy that should have been exempted that didn't get a dishonorable discharge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LD0506 Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 The whole "good guy w/ a gun" mythos presupposes a "bad guy" running loose, already shooting people. Absolutely nothing in their credo addresses prevention of mass murder, the whole playbook is "Be the one to take him down and win valuable prizes!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatBuzz Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 9 hours ago, Springfield said: I don’t want every gun nut with a hard on shooting up people who they think are causing problems. I mean according to most posters here, gun laws are already too lax. Do we have a major problem with this now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 Just go out and hope you are not in the sights of the next one. This is our solution. Playing the ****ing lottery. This country is dead. ~Bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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