Bozo the kKklown Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 (edited) 15 minutes ago, TheGreatBuzz said: Link? I honestly hadn't heard that. I meant the Department of Homeland Security https://www.cbsnews.com/news/dhs-report-warns-of-right-wing-extremists/ thats from 2009 and Fox News, Federalist Society, CATO, AEI, All came out saying it was unfair and political because Obama was just elected. https://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/04/16/extremist-report-draws-criticism-prompts-apology/ Over eight years later we saw Charlottesville. Last year, the FBI said “black extremist groups” are our biggest threat because anything black is scary. https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/10/06/the-fbi-has-identified-a-new-domestic-terrorist-threat-and-its-black-identity-extremists/ 9 minutes ago, stevemcqueen1 said: It's a slow process. But I see words like radicalization and terrorism finally being used to describe the situation. I think (hope) there is a generally awakening to the problem in the general public. The next step is for advertisers to pull their money out of Fox News and other radical right wing propaganda media. We'll see how long that takes. That I'm not hopeful about. I’m hopeful but idk. Edited October 28, 2018 by BenningRoadSkin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 I think you guys are backwards in your assessment. I think that a certain segment of society wants to believe in conspiracies, they want to have somebody to be upset about, they want political drama. Fox News just gives these people what they want. If anything, I think it’s a symbiotic relationship. The masses desire a conspiracy, something to make them think they’re right and regular people are wrong. Fox News delivers that to them. The cycle continues. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sinister Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 19 minutes ago, stevemcqueen1 said: It's a slow process. But I see words like radicalization and terrorism finally being used to describe the situation. I think (hope) there is a generally awakening to the problem in the general public. The next step is for advertisers to pull their money out of Fox News and other radical right wing propaganda media. We'll see how long that takes. That I'm not hopeful about. Agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Excuses Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 #bothsides Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozo the kKklown Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 Just a reminder this isn’t new oh yea... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumbo Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 i've always thought the grahams suck hugely...bad juju....but then i sometimes frame religions as 'necessary evils' per this species' development...and some elements of some religions are way worse than others... (i ask members to resist derailing the thread just cuz of this one comment, please) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Excuses Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 3 minutes ago, BenningRoadSkin said: oh yea... Not much has changed since the 70s on issues like this. It’s largely because a whole lot of moderate whites are not bothered by this stuff enough to punish the GOP for embracing divisive garbage. And then its the left that gets accused of “identity politics”, when it’s the only big tent party that represents Americans of all backgrounds rather than just White Christians. Maybe moderate whites will change how they vote moving forward. I hope so at least. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatBuzz Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 10 minutes ago, BenningRoadSkin said: Just a reminder this isn’t new oh yea... I said a while ago, and I think it still true, that people comparing the right to Nazis are wrong (at least to what most people think of Nazis). They are the 1925 Nazis, not the 1939 Nazis. They are however following that same arc. And I suspect they will continue to unless stopped. 2 minutes ago, Jumbo said: i've always thought the grahams suck hugely...bad juju....but then i see religions as 'necessary evils' per this species development...and some elements of some religions are way worse than others... (i ask members to resist derailing the thread just cuz of this one comment, please) I thought you had football stuff to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozo the kKklown Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 (edited) Americans had the original Nazis. Hitler followed our policies with the treatment of black, Inidigenous peoples, Chinese and European immigrants. https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/04/30/how-american-racism-influenced-hitler Edited October 28, 2018 by BenningRoadSkin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jumbo Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 don't forget eugenics was first prominent in the good ole usa in the late 20's early 30's and hitler's team utilized a lot of that thinking (maybe benning's link already covered this) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 Just overheard that President Trump did not reach out to any of the people who were targets of the letter bombs. I understood that it would have just been a gesture, but symbols of unity can matter. Besides, it's just one more stone in the arsehole pyramid that is Trump. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatBuzz Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 8 minutes ago, Burgold said: Just overheard that President Trump did not reach out to any of the people who were targets of the letter bombs. I understood that it would have just been a gesture, but symbols of unity can matter. Besides, it's just one more stone in the arsehole pyramid that is Trump. Did you even remotely expect him to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 1 minute ago, TheGreatBuzz said: Did you even remotely expect him to? I live in hope... I wallow in despair. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 (edited) Edited October 28, 2018 by visionary 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurgundyMalaise Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 On 10/27/2018 at 11:47 AM, StillUnknown said: shot multiple people, including cops, still taken alive As a black man, I hate that I feel some kind of way about this, but I cannot deny that I do. The Dallas shooter shot even more cops and was taken in alive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BurgundyMalaise Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 3 hours ago, BenningRoadSkin said: Americans had the original Nazis. Hitler followed our policies with the treatment of black, Inidigenous peoples, Chinese and European immigrants. https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/04/30/how-american-racism-influenced-hitler This **** is getting ridiculous. 6 million Jews were exterminated in 4 years, in heinous fashion. Our atrocities you're referencing are like a whole century. It's still a despicable part of our history but be real about how one political movement killed 17 million people in a handful of years and compare that to our worst decade. It doesn't make it ok but you and your ilk are extremely disrespectful to that genocide by watering it down with comparisons to the U.S. I would love for you to get on a mic and tell Holocaust survivors that America had the first iteration of Nazis, . You citing a new yorker article doesn't make the claims anymore substantial. All of your hyperbole continuously confirms your severe lack of wisdom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sinister Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 Lack of wisdom indeed.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llevron Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 If you ain't gonna read the link then why dont you sit this one out playa @MondayNightCowboyKilla89 it says very clearly in the link that they are talking about inspiration for the holocaust, basically. No one was comparing anything to the holocaust. Your fake outrage at what you assume is someone saying America was worse than Germany or some such idiotic bull**** is either a misunderstanding of the basic concept in the link or, like I said, just fake. Read and you will see where you messed that one up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sinister Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 https://www.google.com/amp/amp.timeinc.net/time/4703586/nazis-america-race-law Quote Law made second-class citizens of blacks, Filipinos, Puerto Ricans, Asians and Native Americans. Most especially, it deprived these non-white Americans of any meaningful right to vote. Quote European racists took note. Among them was Adolf Hitler. In Mein Kampf, Hitler called America the “one state” making progress toward the creation of the kind of order he wanted for Germany. In 1935, the National Socialist Handbook on Law and Legislation, a basic guide for Nazis as they built their new society, would declare that the United States had achieved the “fundamental recognition” of the need for a race state. https://press.princeton.edu/titles/10925.html Quote Nazism triumphed in Germany during the high era of Jim Crow laws in the United States. Did the American regime of racial oppression in any way inspire the Nazis? The unsettling answer is yes. In Hitler's American Model, James Whitman presents a detailed investigation of the American impact on the notorious Nuremberg Laws, the centerpiece anti-Jewish legislation of the Nazi regime. Contrary to those who have insisted that there was no meaningful connection between American and German racial repression, Whitman demonstrates that the Nazis took a real, sustained, significant, and revealing interest in American race policies.As Whitman shows, the Nuremberg Laws were crafted in an atmosphere of considerable attention to the precedents American race laws had to offer. German praise for American practices, already found in Hitler's Mein Kampf, was continuous throughout the early 1930s, and the most radical Nazi lawyers were eager advocates of the use of American models. But while Jim Crow segregation was one aspect of American law that appealed to Nazi radicals, it was not the most consequential one. Rather, both American citizenship and antimiscegenation laws proved directly relevant to the two principal Nuremberg Laws—the Citizenship Law and the Blood Law. Whitman looks at the ultimate, ugly irony that when Nazis rejected American practices, it was sometimes not because they found them too enlightened, but too harsh. Took just a few minutes. Yeah..... so maybe it's more than just one New Yorker article... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sinister Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 7 minutes ago, Llevron said: If you ain't gonna read the link then why dont you sit this one out playa @MondayNightCowboyKilla89 Read and you will see where you messed that one up. I'm still lol'ing over the " you and your ilk" part, after being so laughably wrong about pretty much everything. Total self ownage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Llevron Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 1 minute ago, Mr. Sinister said: I'm still lol'ing over the " you and your ilk" part, after being so laughably wrong about pretty much everything. Total self ownage I peeped it too. But ignored it cause its completely in line with my past run ins with dude. America, at the time, wrote the latest book on genocide and racial segregation. Hitler ran it to horroble perfection. But our role in it cannot be denied by anyone honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozo the kKklown Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 I would suggest antebellum slavery was pretty effing bad too, when talking about the Holocaust being something the Germans did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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