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Presidential Election :11/3/2020- Trump the Impeached vs Superplanner Lizzie & some other Dems

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3 hours ago, BenningRoadSkin said:

 

He's from Brooklyn and NY has plenty of socialists.

 

He draws that much in solid red areas; then that's really something.

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5 hours ago, Rdskns2000 said:

He's from Brooklyn and NY has plenty of socialists.

 

He draws that much in solid red areas; then that's really something.

 

Wasnt there another kinda fringey “outsider” politician recently that liked to brag about his crowds?

 

Ronald or Donald something?

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13 minutes ago, TryTheBeal! said:

 

Wasnt there another kinda fringey “outsider” politician recently that liked to brag about his crowds?

 

Ronald or Donald something?

Obama?

 

 

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Mayor Pete coming up on Meet The Press.  

 

I really don;t follow politics that much.  Pretty much everything I know, I get from here.  But I saw him on this show a while back, and really liked him, at least as a person.  (Don't think he's qualified to be POTUS.  But I wouldn't mind him becoming more influential in the Dem Party.  Maybe have a big role, down the road.)  

 

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I still don't think his resume says he's qualified.  But I think he handled several question, which I think were some pretty heavy questions, pretty well.  

 

(Yeah, I think there were some questions where he didn't have really detailed answers.  But I also think they were questions for which there aren't simple answers.  There is no simple way to fix the damage Trump has done in the last week or two.  I think his answers to questions like those, while they weren't simplistic, bumper sticker, instant fixes, did reqognize those factors that need to be juggled.)  

 

I haven't really seen much from the other candidates, so I'm not planning on trashing them.  But I'll say Mayor Pete has a really positive look, to me.  

 

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11 hours ago, Sacks 'n' Stuff said:

I never believed Tulsi was a Russian asset til twa started defending her.

 

The Ruskies have even gotten to Beto.....be afraid.

 

 

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This presents an optics problem. Infighting with accusations of being a Russian plant waters down the argument against trump. Needlessly so. 
 

If the goal is to oust trump we’re better served by Clinton keeping her mouth shut. Doesn’t even matter if she’s right. Picking a fight with gabbard was stupid. 
 

There’s a look that the neoconservative bogeyman will become to liberal bogeyman.  

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8 minutes ago, tshile said:

Picking a fight with gabbard was stupid. 

 

Hillary is a Russian plant.....it all makes sense now. 

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Kamala is making my projection look bad....get it together girl.

 

 

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The poll, taken Wednesday through Friday, put Biden at 18%, Warren at 17% and Buttigieg at 13% among 500 likely Democratic caucusgoers.

...Among the second tier of candidates, activist Tom Steyer was at 3%. Three other candidates also reached 3% because of rounding: Hawaii Rep. Tulsi Gabbard, Harris and Klobuchar. 

Doesn't change the qualifying math for the November debates since no one who's out got 5%.

 

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Zuckerburg is letting untrue ads for Trump on FB. His offering advice to Pete leads me to totally disavow his candidacy. I thought Pete was smarter.

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51 minutes ago, BenningRoadSkin said:

Buttigieg is a younger corporate shill than Biden, so it makes sense that corporate interests are following him. 

 

Not disputing your assertion.  (Although I've seen the "corporate shill" label used as a synonym for "doesn't think capitalism should be criminalized".)  But could you elaborate?  All I know about him is "I like the way he handles an interview."  

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1 hour ago, BenningRoadSkin said:

Buttigieg is a younger corporate shill than Biden, so it makes sense that corporate interests are following him. 

 

Empty words spoken with no evidence to back it up. 

 

Moderate does NOT equal "corporate shill."

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35 minutes ago, Chachie said:

I love the ever-mutating title of this thread. 🙂

Depends on my mood. Donny makes it easy.

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The Zuckerbeg article makes me a bit uneasy about Pete, but on the other hand I’d be glad to see that Zuckerberg may not be all in on Trump and the GOP.  Although supposedly his advice was a couple of years ago?  So who can say?

 

His ‘advice’ was to give references for some qualified former employees who wanted to join Pete’s staff.

 

I’m more annoyed with Pete’s recent decision to start attacking other candidates and flip on some of his positions.

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1 hour ago, Dan T. said:

 

Empty words spoken with no evidence to back it up. 

 

Moderate does NOT equal "corporate shill."

Whether or not you want to accept "corporate shill" as the proper framing (and I'm not quite going that far myself), the phrase doesn't come from just being a "moderate". It comes from stuff like this:

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-10-21/zuckerberg-offered-advice-in-hiring-to-buttigieg-in-rare-move

 

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/pete-buttigieg-only-top-tier-2020-democrat-lobbyist-donations_n_5cbe09d6e4b0f7a84a73681d

 

https://readsludge.com/2019/10/18/as-he-attacks-medicare-for-all-mayor-pete-gets-campaign-cash-from-health-care-executives/

 

Not exactly "no evidence". 

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If the "moderate" right looks at Warren and thinks "socialist" the country is doomed already.  The right has hammered their nonsense messaging so hard that it seems like any reform to the current system at all is an "attack on freedom."

 

The lasting effects of Reaganomics and the like may very well be the most damaging idea to have entered the heads of so many Americans over the past 30 years.  The concept at it's core was a farce, but it's bred something even worse, the "FU, I got to get mine" mindset.  The worst part is the way it has successfully pit the middle class against the lower class, while the upper class laughs all the way to the bank........overseas. 

 

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28 minutes ago, Rufus T Firefly said:

Whether or not you want to accept "corporate shill" as the proper framing (and I'm not quite going that far myself), the phrase doesn't come from just being a "moderate". It comes from stuff like this:

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-10-21/zuckerberg-offered-advice-in-hiring-to-buttigieg-in-rare-move

 

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/pete-buttigieg-only-top-tier-2020-democrat-lobbyist-donations_n_5cbe09d6e4b0f7a84a73681d

 

https://readsludge.com/2019/10/18/as-he-attacks-medicare-for-all-mayor-pete-gets-campaign-cash-from-health-care-executives/

 

Not exactly "no evidence". 

 

Just pointing out, you're responding to a poster who is arguing that he's not a corporate shill, he's a moderate, by pointing out that he supports giving people the option of Medicare, but doesn't mandate it (right away)."  

 

I would assert that not supporting the government simply declaring all private health care illegal, but instead giving people a government option, seems to me to be a position that's much more "moderate" than "corporate shill".  

6 minutes ago, Sacks 'n' Stuff said:

Nobody even knows what socialism and capitalism mean anymore.

 

Not even Warren Buffett.  (Reference to one of my favorite Daily Shows).  

 

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