TradeTheBeal! Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 43 minutes ago, goskins10 said: It means that they know when I said she needs to be heard I was talking about in court not by MSM. Yet they purposefully made reference to her being heard in public to try and make the point she has been heard. All you ever said about court was that Joe needed to “prove his innocence”. Which was so laughably slanted and ignorant of the law, I didn’t honor it with a response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 Lol ok. But what do you think I meant by that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simmsy Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 If there are charges to be brought, bring them. If you want her to testify before congress, let her. Other than that, who cares? Its just going to be he said, she said, without evidence it doesn't matter. Not trying to be crude, just pragmatic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goskins10 Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 1 minute ago, TryTheBeal! said: All you ever said about court was that Joe needed to “prove his innocence”. Which was so laughably slanted and ignorant of the law, I didn’t honor it with a response. I will look back but I do not remember writing he had to prove his innocence. If I did or it came off that way then it was an error in how I wrote it. Of course he does not have to prove his innocent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, Simmsy said: If there are charges to be brought, bring them. If you want her to testify before congress, let her. Other than that, who cares? Its just going to be he said, she said, without evidence it doesn't matter. Not trying to be crude, just pragmatic. A senate ethics committee hearing might be a deal, but he is no Senator now.... maybe a different committee if he wins how about a town hall or debate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 26 minutes ago, Simmsy said: If there are charges to be brought, bring them. If you want her to testify before congress, let her. Other than that, who cares? Its just going to be he said, she said, without evidence it doesn't matter. Not trying to be crude, just pragmatic. This isn't crude, I think it is spot on. This is not a criminal matter, this is only a political matter. The accuser, Ms. Reade, has started telling her story, and it will continue to gain traction. It happened a long time ago, so her evidence is - so far - pretty spotty, but she now has some corroborating witnesses. She also has some inconsistencies. Biden will continue to deny it, Trump will continue to bring it up, Biden will probably bring up the dozen or so people that have accused Trump of sexual assault and other stuff, and the media will have stories. In the end, voters will decide for themselves if they think this accusation is (1) credible and, if so, (2) outweighs Trump's many faults. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 It's starting to stress me out. I just got into an argument with my brother over this. I think it's because he's being ranted at via text by a friend who is a socialist and a Bernie guy who hates Biden, but now my brother is starting to repeat conspiracy theories about Biden and the media and other stuff. I'm kind of scared this is going to give the election to Trump now. I just don't see a good way out of this that won't potentially make everything much much worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Simmsy Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 41 minutes ago, twa said: A senate ethics committee hearing might be a deal, but he is no Senator now.... maybe a different committee if he wins how about a town hall or debate? If she were to talk, I think it would have to be in a setting where she is under oath. Doesn't mean she can't lie, but I think it would give her more credibility (but I also understand why she wouldn't want to do that at all). 17 minutes ago, PleaseBlitz said: This isn't crude, I think it is spot on. This is not a criminal matter, this is only a political matter. The accuser, Ms. Reade, has started telling her story, and it will continue to gain traction. It happened a long time ago, so her evidence is - so far - pretty spotty, but she now has some corroborating witnesses. She also has some inconsistencies. Biden will continue to deny it, Trump will continue to bring it up, Biden will probably bring up the dozen or so people that have accused Trump of sexual assault and other stuff, and the media will have stories. In the end, voters will decide for themselves if they think this accusation is (1) credible and, if so, (2) outweighs Trump's many faults. Thats basically how I feel about it. However, with as many allegations Trump has against him, he would be an idiot to cast stones at Biden...so I expect him to cast stones at Biden. Of course Trump's base won't care, but we don't need to focus on his voter base. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Renegade7 Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 Think this was said before, what if he Biden picks Hillary as VP? Think folks will "but her emails" her again and let Trump stay President? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llevron Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 17 minutes ago, Renegade7 said: Think this was said before, what if he Biden picks Hillary as VP? Think folks will "but her emails" her again and let Trump stay President? Same people that voted for him last time absolutely would vote for him again. Only hope is the people who voted 3rd party Or didn’t vote at all would come around. But why would they? As far as many of them are concerned, the party needs to come to them. Not the other way around. And bringing in the last person they said no to doesn’t do that. Trump is just as much of a threat now as he was last time and people made excuses before. They will again if you let them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 7 minutes ago, Llevron said: Same people that voted for him last time absolutely would vote for him again. Only hope is the people who voted 3rd party Or didn’t vote at all would come around. But why would they? As far as many of them are concerned, the party needs to come to them. Not the other way around. And bringing in the last person they said no to doesn’t do that. His base will never leave him, but his base alone can't keep him to be President. Ask Bernie. I get that they already rejected her, but a lot of that was this idea Trump wasn't as bad as he turned out to be. We see that with the exodus of their moderates and female voters. 7 minutes ago, Llevron said: Trump is just as much of a threat now as he was last time and people made excuses before. They will again if you let them. There aren't enough people left that can convince themselves she's just as bad to get him re-elected. Can we do better, I hope, but I wouldn't rejected her as VP for same reason I voted for her the last time, she knows what she's doing and she knows what she's talking about at a time we need it most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llevron Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 11 minutes ago, Renegade7 said: There aren't enough people left that can convince themselves she's just as bad to get him re-elected. You give people too much credit. You dont think there will be a sufficient number of people that will say they are not voting as protest? Or that the only thing that really hurt Trump was COVID and he cant control that no one can? People will absolutely make excuses for their stupidity. Its only human. We haven't done anything collectively to prove we have grown at all in the last 4 years. I personally cant expect that we have. All that said, I still think there are enough people like me who will vote blue regardless at this point. And I think most of the idiots are going to die as they dont believe this virus can kill them. Hopefully that combo will get him out of office. Or a firing squad. Whichever. edit: And mail in voting. Thats our best chance And the GOP knows it. Thats why they are killing the postal system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 10 minutes ago, Llevron said: You give people too much credit. You dont think there will be a sufficient number of people that will say they are not voting as protest? Or that the only thing that really hurt Trump was COVID and he cant control that no one can? People will absolutely make excuses for their stupidity. Its only human. We haven't done anything collectively to prove we have grown at all in the last 4 years. I personally cant expect that we have. Kentucky and Kansas elected Democrats as governors since Trump got elected, that proves a lot, imo. One maybe a fluke, but both? You seen some of the senate polling results lately? Quote All that said, I still think there are enough people like me who will vote blue regardless at this point. And I think most of the idiots are going to die as they dont believe this virus can kill them. Hopefully that combo will get him out of office. Or a firing squad. Whichever. edit: And mail in voting. Thats our best chance And the GOP knows it. Thats why they are killing the postal system. Until USPS is gone, it's still here. I'm not reacting to that threat because Wisconsin proved not letting them vote from home hurt GOP, too, royally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hail2skins Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 19 minutes ago, Llevron said: You give people too much credit. You dont think there will be a sufficient number of people that will say they are not voting as protest? Or that the only thing that really hurt Trump was COVID and he cant control that no one can? People will absolutely make excuses for their stupidity. Its only human. We haven't done anything collectively to prove we have grown at all in the last 4 years. I personally cant expect that we have. Nailed it. Too many people simply wont even admit that Trump is a jackass. He's getting reelected in November, not even any doubt in my mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 Just now, hail2skins said: Nailed it. Too many people simply wont even admit that Trump is a jackass. He's getting reelected in November, not even any doubt in my mind. GOP Establishment doesn't agree with you, they are way past Susan Collins level concerned. https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/27/politics/2020-election-trump-senate/index.html Quote "It is a real concern at this point," said the Senate Republican aide. "We were looking at picking up a few seats even if we lost some. Now there are a whole new group of states that are a real problem." While Republicans are confident they can regain the Senate seat in Alabama, where Democrat Doug Jones is running for reelection in a state Trump won by nearly 30 percentage points, they are increasingly concerned about tight races in Arizona and Colorado. And as Trump's standing with voters deteriorates, there are worries that states like North Carolina, Maine and maybe even Iowa could be opportunities for Democrats. With a slim four seat majority and far more incumbent Republicans in competitive races than Democrats, there is very little margin for error for the GOP. And the issue for Republicans is there is no roadmap for running in this kind of scenario. This isn't naive or wishful thinking, and it's not even Summer yet. Folks already getting tired of camping and the depression hasn't even been declared official yet, this was always going to be a one-two punch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hail2skins Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 Renegade, with all due respect, I heard the same crap in 2016 about downballot carnage for the GOP. It simply is not going to happen. Trump will be reelected and I think the GOP will retain the Senate. I don't think they take back the House. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llevron Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 @Renegade7 I don't think you are wrong I just dont have a lot of faith in people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 5 minutes ago, hail2skins said: Renegade, with all due respect, I heard the same crap in 2016 about downballot carnage for the GOP. It simply is not going to happen. Trump will be reelected and I think the GOP will retain the Senate. I don't think they take back the House. Democrats were losing elections left and right leading up to 2016. Now it's the other way around and you staking to this claim there's still no difference? There are actual results to point to in the last 3.5 years, not just poll results, this is different. 2 minutes ago, Llevron said: @Renegade7 I don't think you are wrong I just dont have a lot of faith in people. That's more then fair, it really is at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 4 hours ago, visionary said: It's starting to stress me out. I just got into an argument with my brother over this. I think it's because he's being ranted at via text by a friend who is a socialist and a Bernie guy who hates Biden, but now my brother is starting to repeat conspiracy theories about Biden and the media and other stuff. I'm kind of scared this is going to give the election to Trump now. I just don't see a good way out of this that won't potentially make everything much much worse. Glad I'm not the only one that has to talk their siblings away from the ledge, sometimes. I have more luck with my sister then my brother, but at least we all amicable, I know folks that wish they could say that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClaytoAli Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 4 hours ago, visionary said: wishful thinking, she’s not president because people just don’t like her! 56 minutes ago, hail2skins said: Renegade, with all due respect, I heard the same crap in 2016 about downballot carnage for the GOP. It simply is not going to happen. Trump will be reelected and I think the GOP will retain the Senate. I don't think they take back the House. dude Trump may force me to vote for Biden... just that plain and simple for conservative folk that don’t his style. Only because he has to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooked Crack Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 America: No thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 It is hilarious watching people flip sides when it’s the other teams guy that gets accused by someone I used to regurgitate the “she only came out because she wanted to hurt him if she was honest she wouldn’t have waited so long” argument too. I thought we all finally learned that lesson in the meetoo movement. Guess not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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