visionary Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 I think 5-10 candidates overall at this point would be a lot easier to digest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 6 minutes ago, visionary said: I think 5-10 candidates overall at this point would be a lot easier to digest. At this point I am not sure how half these candidates are even affording to still be in the race. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogofWar1 Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 They really need to reinstate the undercard. I get the idea of the kiddy table is arguably insulting, but this whole 2 night, dang near 10 people each night format is terrible. Polls should ask for people's first and second choices. If you get over, say, 10% combined, congrats, you're in. If you get to 3% or better combined, then you can join the undercard debate. Below 3% on 1st and 2nd choice combined? Bye bye. Raise the % to be in the main event to 12% combined after a couple more debates, raise the undercard by 2% per debate until either no one is left or they all get on the main stage. At this point, it's such a worthless exercise to have Tim Ryan or Delaney, or about 5 others, up there. Get up in the polls or get off the stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 1 hour ago, Spaceman Spiff said: People out there are OFFENDED!!!!!1111 Everyone’s offended about everything 1 hour ago, visionary said: Do people actually like their private insurance? Yes. And theres polling on it that shows it’s more than just me. 1 hour ago, NoCalMike said: Right. This entire idea of "people love their insurance" is such a misnomer because right off the bat, most people who say they love it, it is because they haven't really had to use it beyond maybe an annual Dr visit where they pay a co-pay Nice! ive maxed our total out of pocket 3 of the last 5 years for the entire family. my only complaint is that they haven’t come up with a solution to the problem that a newborn, requiring lots of medical care, doesn’t have an SSN. Where did you get this argument from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 11 minutes ago, tshile said: Yes. And theres polling on it that shows it’s more than just me. What do you like about it that would change or go away? I was thinking the other day that I liked my insurance...but the more I thought about it, I just liked not having to find new doctors (because I've had to do that enough the last few years already and I hate doing the paperwork and don't want to have to redo tests and things). I think dealing with the system and mistakes on their end was also pretty annoying for my brother who switched over to medicaid because it was costing way too much money with constant doctor visits and different medicines with our private insurance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 5 minutes ago, tshile said: Well this is complete bull****. Nice! ive maxed our total out of pocket 3 of the last 5 years for the entire family. It's a generality of course. I am not claiming every single person hates their insurance, however I hear all the time people complaining about their "great employer based health insurance plans" The costs to the employer and employee are usually re-negotiated and raised almost annually while the coverage itself is lessened. co-pays, deductibles continue to rise, etc etc...... The truth is, a lot of employer-based health insurance isn't great, but it is still better what anyone could get on their own through the open-market. Something mediocre being superior to something bad, doesn't make the mediocre thing good. It's not like there aren't going to be those out there that actually have very good coverage through their employers, but I can say for certain a lot of people don't. I can even give you an example for myself, I am lucky that my wife works for the healthcare industry so her coverage is pretty great, I haven't had to sign up for coverage through my employer in years because of it. (I get a kickback, not much, but some for declining it). What my wife's work offers compared to mine is worlds apart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 Just now, NoCalMike said: It's a generality of course Ok so you made it up. That’s what I thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOF44 Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 Love my health insurance. 300 deductible, 3000 max out of pocket per year. Drugs are all free, to $20. The only way you ever get to the 3K is if you choose an out of network doc and you go the 80/20 route. In network is 20 per visit, 35 for specialist. Then pretty much 100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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No Excuses Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, visionary said: Not taking the bait of bad faith leftist attacks against Obama is going to be a good test for Biden's ability to ward off bad faith right wing attacks. He didn't do a very good job last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JCB Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 43 minutes ago, tshile said: Everyone’s offended about everything Yes. Um, if you dudes don't see the problem with calling a 50-something United States Senator, who is also a WOC candidate for POTUS, "kid" in 2019 . . . Seriously? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 33 minutes ago, visionary said: What do you like about it that would change or go away? My ability to change providers if I don’t like how they’ve treated me. When we have a candidate with a detailed proposal I’ll be able to consider more i have low premiums and low copays and medicine is cheap, often 0$. And I get discounts on copays if I use certain facilities or practices and it turns out they are excellent facilities and practices. Hard to get real specific when we don’t have a single candidate with a detailed plan. No point in going through it with 20 candidates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 3 minutes ago, JCB said: Um, if you dudes don't see the problem with calling a 50-something United States Senator, who is also a WOC candidate for POTUS, "kid" in 2019 . . . Seriously? At least he didn't call Cory Booker, "boy". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 46 minutes ago, visionary said: What do you like about it that would change or go away? So how hasn’t my other post in here too.... weird @visionary just to add, my provider was rated one of the best available on the exchanges (not where I got it, but they’re there) in this area and i know the ownership group for a broker in the area and they recommend my provider to anyone who can qualify/afford it. So it’s not just me that thinks they’re good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 Despite what you (Democratic candidates) personally feel about Obama's record, it is probably not a good idea to attack him. It is fair to address specific issues his administration fell short on and/or you as a candidate would like to improve/expand upon, but the "Obama ain't ish" tactic isn't going to go well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozo the kKklown Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 2 hours ago, visionary said: This all seems like nonsense. I am not a fan of Gabbard's but these people have no idea what they are talking about. They haven't done any in-depth research to see. When actual data scientists dig in and say it, then I will care. Not airhead media members and twitter clout people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCB Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 My dislike for Gabbard as a candidate has far more to do with the good points that No Excuses raised last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PF Chang Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 @visionary is right about Gabbard. There is nothing wrong with an anti-war message or attacking Harris over her record as a prosecutor. But it's not that simple. She is the favored candidate of "leftist" cranks like Glenn Greenwald, Michael Tracey, etc. Dishonest people who basically act as Trump supporters by pretending that all things Trump/Russia aren't just exaggerated, but are a literal hoax. They deny Russia's involvement in the DNC hack. All of this is basically because they are mad that Sanders lost the primary. Similar to the denialism about the hack, these types are either flirting with or outright endorsing the idea that Assad's use of chemical weapons in Syria was a hoax. Funny how everything these people endorse aligns perfectly with Vladimir Putin's geopolitcal goals. It's not just "blame things we don't like on Russia." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozo the kKklown Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 24 minutes ago, NoCalMike said: Despite what you (Democratic candidates) personally feel about Obama's record, it is probably not a good idea to attack him. It is fair to address specific issues his administration fell short on and/or you as a candidate would like to improve/expand upon, but the "Obama ain't ish" tactic isn't going to go well. Who actually did that tho? The media wants to depict it as saying anything against Obama as a Democrat is "Obama aint isht." Saying Obama was Deporter and Chief is a fair critique. Especially since Biden's entire platform is "I am an older, white Obama and will do what he did." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozo the kKklown Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 @TheGreatBuzz No convo about hospitals the last two nights. That is a legit issue, which you brought up a few days ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 8 minutes ago, PF Chang said: @visionary is right about Gabbard. There is nothing wrong with an anti-war message or attacking Harris over her record as a prosecutor. But it's not that simple. She is the favored candidate of "leftist" cranks like Glenn Greenwald, Michael Tracey, etc. Dishonest people who basically act as Trump supporters by pretending that all things Trump/Russia aren't just exaggerated, but are a literal hoax. They deny Russia's involvement in the DNC hack. All of this is basically because they are mad that Sanders lost the primary. Similar to the denialism about the hack, these types are either flirting with or outright endorsing the idea that Assad's use of chemical weapons in Syria was a hoax. Funny how everything these people endorse aligns perfectly with Vladimir Putin's geopolitcal goals. It's not just "blame things we don't like on Russia." Ok all that is fair, but going back to my comment. It was never meant as a "rah rah lets rally around Tulsi, isn't she the greatest?" thing. It was merely saying that she brought up some valid points about Kamala Harris's record. Those points would have been just as valid if someone else brought them up, but she is the one who did it. She may be out of the race in a few weeks and someone else can pick up on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 Ok, so watching the debate now, Kamilla is not doing a good job of defending herself from Gabbard or Biden's specific attacks. On the other hand it seemed like CNN was trying to set her up there and tried to make it harder for her to respond. Still she should have had a better response on busing or her issues while an AG. She really got hammered for a few minutes there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 1 hour ago, JCB said: Um, if you dudes don't see the problem with calling a 50-something United States Senator, who is also a WOC candidate for POTUS, "kid" in 2019 . . . Seriously? I absolutely do not see a problem with it. It’s not even remotely racist or sexist. Not even a tiny bit. There isn’t a sports fan on the planet that doesn’t hear that term thrown around constantly, and it’s certainly not sexist or racist or even slightly negative. And this being a sports related forum everyone here is well aware of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PF Chang Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 16 minutes ago, NoCalMike said: Ok all that is fair, but going back to my comment. It was never meant as a "rah rah lets rally around Tulsi, isn't she the greatest?" thing. It was merely saying that she brought up some valid points about Kamala Harris's record. Those points would have been just as valid if someone else brought them up, but she is the one who did it. She may be out of the race in a few weeks and someone else can pick up on it. No problem with that. I think Warren and Sanders will be able to criticize her record there effectively. Not directed at you, but to add something to my earlier post - I think Warren/Sanders are as anti-war as it gets. Gabbard's supporters deflect criticism by pretending anyone against her is a warmonger. Her supporters think all things Trump/Russia is just the "establishment" pushing for war with Russia. I think they are basically tankies who pretend the only way to avoid war with Russia is to capitulate to all of Vladimir Putin's goals, including being apologists/denialists for the genocidal actions of Assad, Putin's proxy in Syria. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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