CTskin Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 I went 25 on defense and 25 on offense. -I would prefer to keep an additional CB. Was thinking about keeping Dunbar and trying to sneak Hosley onto the PS, but already Hosley looks like the better CB of the two -If it were me, Grant wouldn't make the team, but we know the coaches' pet has a spot -Tough to decide among the young OL; last year our opening day depth chart had 11 -We rostered 4 OLBs last year and I'm going with 5 this year. I don't love cutting Trail and Carter. -Was torn with Mbu, but I don't think he'd make it to the PS. Given Taylor's knees, we need a to have a serviceable backup on hand... who also has upside. DL (7) 1PS OL (9) 1PS Allen, Jonathan Crowley Banks, Brandon Catalina, Tyler (PS) Francis, A.J. Kalis, Kyle Hood, Ziggy Kling, John Ioannidis, Matt Kouandjio, Arie Lanier II, Anthony Lauvao, Shawn Mbu, Joey Long, Spencer McClain, Terrell Moses, Morgan McGee, Stacy Nsekhe, Ty Pipkins, Ondre (PS) Painter, Vinston Taylor Sr., Phil Patrick, Ronald CB (5) Roullier, Chase Breeland, Bashaud Scherff, Brandon Dunbar, Quinton Williams, Isaiah Fuller, Kendall Williams, Trent Holsey, Joshua QB (3) Homer, Tevin Cousins, Kirk Moreau, Fabian McCoy, Colt Norman, Josh Sudfeld, Nate McKinnon, RB (3) ILB (4) Brown, Mack Brown, Zach Hilliard, Kenny Compton, Will Jones, Matt Foster, Mason Kelley, Rob Spaight, Martrell Perine, Samaje Vigil, Zach Thompson, Chris OLB (5) TE (4) Anderson, Ryan Bibbs, E.J. Carter, Chris Carrier, Derek Galette, Junior Davis, Vernon Harvey-Clemons, Garner, Manasseh Kerrigan, Ryan Paul, Niles Robertson, Pete Reed, Jordan Smith, Preston Sprinkle, Jeremy Trail, Lynden WR (6) 2PS S (4) 1PS Crowder, Jamison Blackmon, Will Davis, Robert Cravens, Su'a Doctson, Josh Everett, Deshazor Grant, Ryan Marley, Nico (PS) Harris, Maurice McClure, Stefan Hazel, Matt (PS) Nicholson, Montae Jacobs, Levern Scott, Tim Pascal, Zach (PS) Smithson, Fish Pryor Sr., Terrelle Swearinger, D.J. Quick, Brian Quick, James EDIT- I accidentally crossed of Preston Smith. Thanks for the heads up @I Love The Skins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Love The Skins Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 Way too soon to give up on Preston Smith IMO. It's only his 3rd year in the league and I think the reason he struggled last year was because Joe Barry didn't use him right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyHolt Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 9 DBs seems like cutting it too thin. We have at least 4 out on every play, vs nickel 5. Dime is 6. I thought we went with 11 last year (going from memory). Compare that to the DL, where we usually only have 2 on the field, yet keep 7. DBs also take an awful lot of abuse. With Trent out, Preston should be 100% safe, Sure, Carter has the coaches eye a bit, but seems destined for PS (Houston Bates II). I had theorized that Trent coming back from suspension, may have put his job at risk. How many years of inconsistent play is accepted? I often feel like Dunbar is a Grant on defense. I didn't really like him last year.... yeah so maybe Holsey takes his spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BatteredFanSyndrome Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 Not a chance in hell that Preston Smith doesn't make the 53. Hard to argue with much else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinny21 Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 @RandyHoltdon't think Carter is eligible. Agree that 9 is thin at db, especially if you cut Blackmon (emergency corner). Who knows though with so many tough cuts. Dunbar vs Holsey is going to be interesting. Agree with the others that Smith is making the 53. While I like the idea of Harvey-Clemons as our dimebacker (almost a replacement for Cravens' role last year), I don't think he's there yet. Overall though, good stuff @CTskin and thanks for starting the thread... I was feeling bad about junking up other threads with this convo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drowland Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 I only see them keeping 6 DL. Backup DL don't play much on ST so that spot would go to a DB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTskin Posted August 25, 2017 Author Share Posted August 25, 2017 @RandyHolt, @BatteredFanSyndrome, @I Love The Skins, @skinny21- Thanks for the heads up amigos, I didn't even realize I crossed out Preston Smith. Made a quick fix and crossed off Cris Carter... Regardless, it's going to be a tough cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinny21 Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 1 hour ago, drowland said: I only see them keeping 6 DL. Backup DL don't play much on ST so that spot would go to a DB. If I had to put money down, I'd have them at 6 dlinemen. I think 7 is the smarter play though given the reasons I mentioned above. I'd love to know the thought process of the decision. Like, do they say "Tomsula's a beast, so let him pick his 6 (same number as last year) and work his magic", or do they have the mindset that they need to give him a bit extra to work with (especially as it's his first year with this group) to really let him shine? My hunch is that Gruden will be ok with an extra player going to the defense (this year at least) because it's the group 1) with a new coordinator/coaches and scheme, 2) with more turnover/new starters, and 3) it's the group that has the most room to grow (and needs the most improvement). If that's the case, I think they either carry 5 receivers (with one or more going to the PS)and 4 tes, or 3 tes (with Sprinkle on the PS) and 6 receivers. That allows them to carry 10 dbs, 9 linebackers, 6 dlinemen, and a 26th defender (lineman? dimebacker?). I guess I wouldn't rule out Sudfeld missing the cut either. Given the choice between Davis (wr) and Sprinkle, I think you almost have to hold onto Davis due to his potential. Could be way overthinking this whole thing though, lol. Actually, the more I look at this roster, the more I question whether certain guys - namely Harris and Dunbar - make the squad. These next two games (obviously) are gonna be huge for our late draft picks - Nicholson, Holsey and Harvey-Clemons, as well as the guys that would have to make room for them - Blackmon, Dunbar, Harris, etc. Last thing, I'm excited for Roullier and Kalis. Nice to see young olineman earning their stripes and potentially bolstering our foundation/future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyHolt Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 Do we have a TE that is considered a grade A blocking TE? What about B? I would say nope. Paul and Vernon certainly seem average.... call them C's. Paul is undersized, and Davis seems more of a hands guy, but maybe the best we have. How does that factor into our lack luster run blocking, and specifically, our roster projection. Maybe we keep an extra OL to trot out a la Tom Compton this year, for heavy jumbo. Keep 3 TE, PS Sprinkle, and carry an extra OL. I don't see carrying 4 TEs yet none a great blocker. A bigger question for the masses, show your hand, share your surprise cut predictions. Preston was a possible surprise cut I had been sitting on. My thinking, he is very inconsistent and despite injuries there, hasn't seized hold of the job. We drafted Anderson. Galette finally looking ready and getting a lot of great reviews. Trent, back at OLB for good after a monster breakout year. Who was Preston going to steal snaps from - Kerrigan? Does he play teams? Some coaches will argue you don't keep a player based on his draft position if there are better players to retain, if even at other positions. With Trent injured, and Galette slow to come back, he is safe. If he is above being cut, then he could have been considered in a trade. The other surprise cut I was sitting on all summer, our favorite, Will Compton. I don't think that is happening either. That leaves me with Will Blackmon as a prediction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinny21 Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 @RandyHoltI'm hopeful that Paul can be a notch above 'C' level given his comments about his weight gain last year, but yeah... C at best until we see otherwise. Vernon may be a touch higher as well, but I get the impression he struggles blocking in space. Or maybe it's just that he hasn't (IMO) lived up to his hype as a blocker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markmills67 Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 Just a thought but why not release Sudfield and go with Pryor as a emergency QB. It gives us another roster spot to play with, plus any injuries to Cousin's and McCoy then replace them with cheap vet. Just a thought. HTTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinny21 Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 28 minutes ago, markmills67 said: Just a thought but why not release Sudfield and go with Pryor as a emergency QB. It gives us another roster spot to play with, plus any injuries to Cousin's and McCoy then replace them with cheap vet. Just a thought. HTTR Yeah, the thing for me is that Sudfeld hasn't shown much, so putting him on the PS shouldn't be a risk. If he's coming into a game because Cousins and McCoy are injured... not sure we would expect much. On top of that, with (seemingly) such competition at other spots, I think freeing up a slot makes sense. Of course I kinda doubt they go that route, but you never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 Who gives a **** about suds. He is not good. If Kirk and Colt go down, whatever. The **** hits the fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedBNG Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 3 hours ago, skinny21 said: Yeah, the thing for me is that Sudfeld hasn't shown much, so putting him on the PS shouldn't be a risk. I agree. I think the Suds experiment is pretty much over, and he won't go anywhere on PS. Sudsy to PS for Nico. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinny21 Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 1 hour ago, Koolblue13 said: Who gives a **** about suds. He is not good. If Kirk and Colt go down, whatever. The **** hits the fan. Yeah, I kinda doubt anyone on this board does, but (obviously) Gruden's' the one that counts. As an ex-qb (and as an OC), he might not be cool with rolling with 2. 1 hour ago, BleedBNG said: I agree. I think the Suds experiment is pretty much over, and he won't go anywhere on PS. Sudsy to PS for Nico. Nico, huh? Certainly possible. I like his chances better next year, when Brown, Compton and Foster (I think?) are all FAs and he's had a bit more time - in the weight room, to learn the system, and for the coaches to trust him more. Definitely has a chance though... as I said earlier, these next couple of games are big for those final spots. Man, I've been stating the obvious a lot recently. Don't know what's gotten into me, lol. Channeling my inner John Madden I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jericho Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 This is more my preference that per se the team's, but I'd like to see the following breakdown by positions: Offense (24) QB - 2 RB - 3 TE - 4 WR - 6 OL - 9 Defense (26) DL - 7 LB - 9 DB - 10 And then the three specialists You could finagle the DB and LB breakdowns a little, depending on who you want for that last spot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markmills67 Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 7 hours ago, BleedBNG said: I agree. I think the Suds experiment is pretty much over, and he won't go anywhere on PS. Sudsy to PS for Nico. Good idea, but I would go with the extra DL. HTTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Kev Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 Suds has been disappointing and hasn't shown any improvement, but I think Gruden still keeps three QB's. I'd like to see Perine and Brown get a quarter each so pass pro could be assessed, I like Brown and hope he can make the team but four RB's seems unlikely. One thing that's really annoying me is the pronunciation of Perine. In my head it's Pur-reen and I was a bit confused when hearing the coms' saying Pea-rine. I'm rooting for the guy but he's got to sort this out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowhunter Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 1 hour ago, London Kev said: Suds has been disappointing and hasn't shown any improvement, but I think Gruden still keeps three QB's. I'd like to see Perine and Brown get a quarter each so pass pro could be assessed, I like Brown and hope he can make the team but four RB's seems unlikely. One thing that's really annoying me is the pronunciation of Perine. In my head it's Pur-reen and I was a bit confused when hearing the coms' saying Pea-rine. I'm rooting for the guy but he's got to sort this out. Just call him "Hoss" and all is well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo'sRangers Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 2 hours ago, London Kev said: One thing that's really annoying me is the pronunciation of Perine. In my head it's Pur-reen and I was a bit confused when hearing the coms' saying Pea-rine. I'm rooting for the guy but he's got to sort this out. I was corrected by a native Oklahoman over just this right after the draft. They do pronounce it Pea-rhine. Phonetically I'm not sure that is proper, but Phonics was my least favorite grade school class. Do they still teach Phonics in grade school? I did not like it but I did CLEP out of freshman English in college so maybe it served some benefit. Hoss sounds pretty good to me as well. Hail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RabidFan Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 I don't see Hood or Mack Brown being cut. Good list though. I too would like to keep Trail and Carter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carex Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 Marley and Harvey-Clemons are listed as ILB I see Sudfeld and Mack Brown ending up on the PS I think Dunbar makes it and one other Safety with 11 DB total. I also think Francis might make the PS over Pimpkins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 2 hours ago, carex said: Marley and Harvey-Clemons are listed as ILB I see Sudfeld and Mack Brown ending up on the PS I think Dunbar makes it and one other Safety with 11 DB total. I also think Francis might make the PS over Pimpkins 4 or 5 inside LBs, though? I can definitely see keeping either of them over Spaight. 2 hours ago, Riggo'sRangers said: I was corrected by a native Oklahoman over just this right after the draft. They do pronounce it Pea-rhine. Phonetically I'm not sure that is proper, but Phonics was my least favorite grade school class. Do they still teach Phonics in grade school? I did not like it but I did CLEP out of freshman English in college so maybe it served some benefit. Hoss sounds pretty good to me as well. Hail Hoss does sound good. His name is awful and awkward. up to the draft I thought it was Sam-ahj Per -eene and that was cool. Then I watched a highlight video and was like what? eww. why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carex Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 8 minutes ago, Koolblue13 said: 4 or 5 inside LBs, though? I can definitely see keeping either of them over Spaight. I think 4 ILB. 7 DL, 8LB total and 11 DB. I suppose who they cut and keep there might depend on who they think they can stash on the PS, because Clemons-Harvey and Marley are strictly backups to situational schemes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 59 minutes ago, carex said: I think 4 ILB. 7 DL, 8LB total and 11 DB. I suppose who they cut and keep there might depend on who they think they can stash on the PS, because Clemons-Harvey and Marley are strictly backups to situational schemes I'd guess Marley goes PS. He's more of a feel good novelty, than a legit ILB. Nice having some depth on defense now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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