TheGoodBits Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 Steroid era was a huge stain on baseball. If you just say “no big deal” and elect the poster boys of steroid abuse to the HOF, what kind of message does that send to the next generation of players who inevitably will find their own way to get an illegal leg up on the competition? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman Spiff Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 25 minutes ago, Hersh said: A lack of enforcement doesn’t mean one isn’t cheating. An interesting bit of information would be to see how many players at the time knew if steroids in baseball were permitted or not. Then again, the whole greenies thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo#44 Posted January 26, 2018 Author Share Posted January 26, 2018 11 hours ago, Hersh said: A bigger stain? That’s a new one. I’m against all cheaters getting in so I’m happy they haven’t made it in. They have no one to blame but themselves. Harsh and I agree on something?! Holy ****! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 1 hour ago, Riggo#44 said: Harsh and I agree on something?! Holy ****! I almost made the same comment yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo#44 Posted January 26, 2018 Author Share Posted January 26, 2018 12 minutes ago, Hersh said: I almost made the same comment yesterday. And now I agree with Chris Russell too?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo#44 Posted January 28, 2018 Author Share Posted January 28, 2018 Can someone please explain WTF the new Braves Mascot is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Lombardi's_kid_brother Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 On 1/25/2018 at 7:49 PM, skinsfan_1215 said: Steroid era was a huge stain on baseball. If you just say “no big deal” and elect the poster boys of steroid abuse to the HOF, what kind of message does that send to the next generation of players who inevitably will find their own way to get an illegal leg up on the competition? Players have been cheating like crazy since the dead ball era. And you know what was a great way to make the Hall of Fame in the first half of the century? Dilute the talent pool by not allowing black players in. Mickey Mantle had some kind of foreign substance in his blood in every game he played. On 1/25/2018 at 7:49 PM, skinsfan_1215 said: Steroid era was a huge stain on baseball. And also completely awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lombardi's_kid_brother Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 I think you can easily argue that the ban on amphetamines had a much wider and deeper impact on baseball than the ban on steroids. Greenies were a day to day part of baseball for damn near 60 years, and at times, probably close to 90 percent of the players used them. Also, is the demise of Chief Wahoo going to circle back on the Skins at some point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjfootballer Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 14 minutes ago, Lombardi's_kid_brother said: Also, is the demise of Chief Wahoo going to circle back on the Skins at some point? Oh, you know 100% it will. But (and I know I'm biased) to me it's like comparing a boardwalk drawing of me on a surfboard and the Mona Lisa (yes, a little hyperbole). If that is the case, the Chiefs and Braves should come under just as much scrutiny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo#44 Posted January 29, 2018 Author Share Posted January 29, 2018 15 minutes ago, Lombardi's_kid_brother said: Also, is the demise of Chief Wahoo going to circle back on the Skins at some point? It already has, on Reddit at least--and it's the same line of stupidity: Scalps, dictionary defined racist term, always a racist term, and apparently the Post survey a couple of years ago was "the Washington Post doing some shady **** to cover for Snyder." So clueless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDoyler23 Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 On 1/28/2018 at 10:11 AM, Riggo#44 said: Can someone please explain WTF the new Braves Mascot is? ...no. No I cannot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo#44 Posted February 10, 2018 Author Share Posted February 10, 2018 Yu Darvish to the Cubs, 6 years, $126m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman Spiff Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 I think Darvish is slightly overrated. That said, I think at this point he might be better than Arrieta who is still very good but not lights out as he was a couple years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 On 1/29/2018 at 2:18 PM, Riggo#44 said: It already has, on Reddit at least--and it's the same line of stupidity: Scalps, dictionary defined racist term, always a racist term, and apparently the Post survey a couple of years ago was "the Washington Post doing some shady **** to cover for Snyder." So clueless. Ya, Reddit doesn't count, not when most Native Americans are fine with us keeping the name. Use changing the logo on the helmet, that's a different conversation, and I'd be fine if we did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebluefood Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 On 1/29/2018 at 1:52 PM, Lombardi's_kid_brother said: Players have been cheating like crazy since the dead ball era. And you know what was a great way to make the Hall of Fame in the first half of the century? Dilute the talent pool by not allowing black players in. Mickey Mantle had some kind of foreign substance in his blood in every game he played. Came to say this very thing. Hell, the curveball was considered cheating in the 19th Century yet Candy Cummings' plaque is still there. That's not to mention the widespread use of Greenies back in the "good ol' days" by the likes of Micky Mantle, Hank Aaron, Willie Mays, and Willie Stargell. And how many great pitchers covered balls with tobacco juice or cut balls with bottle caps to get an edge? How many "fierce competitors" spiked their opponents while sliding into 2nd, destroying their legs and their careers? And if we wanna talk about personal character flaws keeping folks out of the HOF, let's talk about players and executives who did everything they could to keep black people out of big league baseball. Cap Anson was the 19th century's greatest player and one of its greatest managers but refused to take the field with black players. http://www.chicagonow.com/chicago-sports-heroes-then-now/2014/03/chicago-baseball-legend-cap-anson-should-not-be-in-the-hall-of-fame/ Quote The first incident on the field occurred during an exhibition game in 1883 against the Toledo Mud Hens. The Hens had a black catcher named Moses Fleetwood Walker who was scheduled to play against Chicago. But Anson refused to take the field against a black player. Cap later reluctantly played the game after he was told he would have to forfeit the White Stockings half of the gate receipts. Four years later Anson was at it again. In an exhibition game against the Newark Little Giants, on July 14, 1887, Anson refused to play against George Stovey, Newark's black pitcher. This time the histrionics worked. By the next day the owners had voted 6-4 to begin a "gentleman's agreement" to disallow black players from all major baseball leagues. Now that's cheating. Steroids is a paltry footnote compared to this. They cheated fans, they cheated a 10th of the national population, and they sure as hell cheated themselves. The steroids era happened. Great players came out of it, whether or not they used it. There may be a new era-defining scandal brewing right now that we know absolutely nothing about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lombardi's_kid_brother Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 MLB Hall of Famer Gaylord Perry. Everyone can go to hell. Seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjfootballer Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 Just let them all in. What the hell. Pete, Barry, Rafael, Sammy, Mark, Roger, etc. Why not? It's just a game. Nobody died because of what they did. And while we're at it, can we just do something about the DH already. Keep it, ditch it. Just make it uniform and let's move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebluefood Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 10 minutes ago, pjfootballer said: Just let them all in. What the hell. Pete, Barry, Rafael, Sammy, Mark, Roger, etc. Why not? It's just a game. Nobody died because of what they did. And while we're at it, can we just do something about the DH already. Keep it, ditch it. Just make it uniform and let's move on. Hall of Fames, in general, are bull****. The moment they let Joe Namath into Canton rendered it completely useless - especially since they keep guys like Ken Anderson out. And agreed on the DH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 21 minutes ago, pjfootballer said: Just let them all in. What the hell. Pete, Barry, Rafael, Sammy, Mark, Roger, etc. Why not? It's just a game. Nobody died because of what they did. I'm the opposite. It's the hall of fame. It's an honor, and these guys played without honor. Nobody is going to die if they don't get into the Hall. So ****'em. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozo the kKklown Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 2 hours ago, PleaseBlitz said: I'm the opposite. It's the hall of fame. It's an honor, and these guys played without honor. Nobody is going to die if they don't get into the Hall. So ****'em. The honorable Ty Cobb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 3 minutes ago, BenningRoadSkin said: The honorable Ty Cobb. Are you saying he did something within the confines of the game that was dishonorable, or just saying that he was a despicable person in general? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 The majority of Babe Ruth's career occurred when what would be considered now as a ground rule double (ball bouncing over outfield fence) being counted as home runs. Imagine the uproar if we had players hitting another 5-10 more homers a year...instead of doubles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozo the kKklown Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 12 minutes ago, The Evil Genius said: The majority of Babe Ruth's career occurred when what would be considered now as a ground rule double (ball bouncing over outfield fence) being counted as home runs. Imagine the uproar if we had players hitting another 5-10 more homers a year...instead of doubles. he also used to cork his bat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lombardi's_kid_brother Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 4 minutes ago, PleaseBlitz said: Are you saying he did something within the confines of the game that was dishonorable, or just saying that he was a despicable person in general? He was arguably the worst human being to ever play the sport. There's some evidence he bet on games. He climbed into the stands and beat up a fan with no hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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