Moose & Squirrel v Boris & Natasha: what's the deal with the rooskies and trumpland?

[NoCalMike]

2 minutes ago, BenningRoadSkin said:

That's why I mentioned our public schools. I think the end goal for the super wealthy is removing that from public sector as well.

 

All their policies would suggest so. Removing funds from the most vulnerable is where it starts. Go after the portion of the country with little means and zero political movement.  That is the low-hanging fruit.  If you are concerned about where your next dollar is coming from constantly, your political mobility will be slim to none.

 

The goal has always been to turn the middle class against the lower class.  In reality both are being screwed, but the wealthy elite want the middle class looking down instead of up for the source.

[Bozo the kKklown]

Just now, NoCalMike said:

In reality both are being screwed, but the wealthy elite want the middle class looking down instead of up for the source.

DING DING DING

 

And sadly, they winning.

[Bang]

it is easier to blame those with less power. Anger is easier to incite when those you're conditioned to be angry at can't fight back.

 

~Bang

[Llevron]

3 minutes ago, Bang said:

it is easier to blame those with less power. Anger is easier to incite when those you're conditioned to be angry at can't fight back.

 

~Bang

 

damn 

[TradeTheBeal!]

27 minutes ago, NoCalMike said:

 

All their policies would suggest so. Removing funds from the most vulnerable is where it starts. Go after the portion of the country with little means and zero political movement.  That is the low-hanging fruit.  If you are concerned about where your next dollar is coming from constantly, your political mobility will be slim to none.

 

The goal has always been to turn the middle class against the lower class.  In reality both are being screwed, but the wealthy elite want the middle class looking down instead of up for the source.

 

 

[Bozo the kKklown]

6 minutes ago, Bang said:

it is easier to blame those with less power. Anger is easier to incite when those you're conditioned to be angry at can't fight back.

 

~Bang

You see it.

 

They are playing us all.

[Bang]

14 minutes ago, BenningRoadSkin said:

You see it.

 

They are playing us all.

Oh absolutely.

we tear at each other and they get rich off the blood.

 

We on the lower rungs have SO much more in common than not.. and skin pigmentation is not anything.. BUT it's easy to see, and if it's easy to see a difference it's easier to attach blame to those who are different.

If ever we could see it, they'd never be able to stop us. But, unfortunately, poorer classes have an educational disadvantage, too, which again makes it easier to sow discord..

Been preaching it here for years. Anger and fear are the easiest emotions to create and manipulate. Who wants us angry? Who keeps selling us on being afraid? Who shoves us apart?

THAT is our enemy.

 

Unity and knowledge is THEIR enemy

 

~Bang

Edited December 6, 2017 by Bang

[redskinss]

Slightly off topic but I have a question for the history majors in here. 

I've always been a ww2 history buff but not much of anything post war. 

What did the Germans do as a society to heal from the divide between Nazi sympathizers and the citizens who did not side with the Nazis? 

I have a feeling were going to have a similar problem post trump albeit on a much lesser scale (at least I hope) 

 

[Bozo the kKklown]

5 minutes ago, redskinss said:

Slightly off topic but I have a question for the history majors in here. 

I've always been a ww2 history buff but not much of anything post war. 

What did the Germans do as a society to heal from the divide between Nazi sympathizers and the citizens who did not side with the Nazis? 

I have a feeling were going to have a similar problem post trump albeit on a much lesser scale (at least I hope) 

 

They did what America should have done after the Civil War, put people on trial and outlaw those images.

6 minutes ago, Bang said:

But, unfortunately, poorer classes have an educational disadvantage, too, which again makes it easier to sow discord..

And my issue with this is that we have that disadvantage, and they are making it much worse. 

 

Where we are today, its not a coincidence.

[redskinss]

3 minutes ago, BenningRoadSkin said:

They did what America should have done after the Civil War, put people on trial and outlaw those images.

But how does that heal society? 

Just time? 

Basically what I'm saying is,  I have way too many people I used to consider friends before all this trump nonsense that I now either despise or would rather not associate with. 

How do I get back to calling them friends? 

Edited December 6, 2017 by redskinss

[Llevron]

6 minutes ago, redskinss said:

 How do I get back to calling them friends? 

 

Realistically speaking unless you join side. or they yours, you probably wont. 

[twa]

8 minutes ago, redskinss said:

 

How do I get back to calling them friends? 

 

you could start by not comparing them to Nazi sympathizers.

[Mooka]

Top story on Fox News this morning is trying to discredit Mueller. 

 

When they try to officially fire Mueller you know the investigation will hit home. 

 

 

4 minutes ago, redskinss said:

Slightly off topic but I have a question for the history majors in here. 

I've always been a ww2 history buff but not much of anything post war. 

What did the Germans do as a society to heal from the divide between Nazi sympathizers and the citizens who did not side with the Nazis? 

I have a feeling were going to have a similar problem post trump albeit on a much lesser scale (at least I hope) 

 

 

Eh, officially things, like the agreed denazification didn't do everything. (Benning's being a little blunt  )

 

Persecuting everyone who was a nazi was almost as difficult as what the nazi's did themselves. I'd imagine it would be like holding North Koreans accountable for their actions if the Un regime fell. 

 

But yes, time was mostly it. Took decades. I'd recommend this book: https://www.amazon.com/Hitler-Myth-Image-Reality-Third/dp/0192802062

 

 

 

[Llevron]

Just now, twa said:

 

you could start by not comparing them to Nazi sympathizers.

 

That would require them to stop sympathizing with people comparable to Nazi's though, wouldn't it? Which would basically mean stop supporting Trump. And now we made it back to the beginning. 

 

This is why you dont talk to TWA. He takes us back smdh

[Bozo the kKklown]

15 minutes ago, redskinss said:

But how does that heal society? 

Just time? 

Basically what I'm saying is,  I have way too many people I used to consider friends before all this trump nonsense that I now either despise or would rather not associate with. 

How do I get back to calling them friends? 

Punishment, shame, and time.

 

And if thats their views, why be friends with them?

4 minutes ago, Llevron said:

 

That would require them to stop sympathizing with people comparable to Nazi's though, wouldn't it? Which would basically mean stop supporting Trump. And now we made it back to the beginning. 

 

This is why you dont talk to TWA. He takes us back smdh

The Nazis learned their ways from America.

 

TWA doesnt know law or understand history. He is, sadly, a perfect example of the mess of corporate power in our country.

[twa]

3 minutes ago, BenningRoadSkin said:

 

TWA doesnt know law or understand history. He is, sadly, a perfect example of the mess of corporate power in our country.

 

I know both better than most....pretty good at reading people too.

[redskinss]

11 minutes ago, Mooka said:

Top story on Fox News this morning is trying to discredit Mueller. 

 

When they try to officially fire Mueller you know the investigation will hit home. 

 

 

 

Eh, officially things, like the agreed denazification didn't do everything. (Benning's being a little blunt  )

 

Persecuting everyone who was a nazi was almost as difficult as what the nazi's did themselves. I'd imagine it would be like holding North Koreans accountable for their actions if the Un regime fell. 

 

But yes, time was mostly it. Took decades. I'd recommend this book: https://www.amazon.com/Hitler-Myth-Image-Reality-Third/dp/0192802062

 

 

 

Thank you,  I just ordered the paperback version off amazon. 

Looks very interesting 

[LadySkinsFan]

The Germans passed laws against Nazi anything, made denying the Holocaust a crime, and educated their citizens. Yes, they have outliers, but they are largely controlled. 

 

Education was key, they acknowledge what was done. They didn't hide it. And they made Nazi history shameful.

 

We should have done the same after the Civil War, but business interests took priority, leading to the Great Depression, just as the Republicans are doing now. No more Great Recession, it will be the Second Great Depression.

[No Excuses]

4 minutes ago, twa said:

 

I know both better than most....pretty good at reading people too.

 

twa

 

Our resident scientist, lawyer and historian.

 

God bless.

[twa]

Good description LSF

 

The civil war was a bit different problem though, though many of the same solutions were used.

[Warhead36]

5 minutes ago, LadySkinsFan said:

The Germans passed laws against Nazi anything, made denying the Holocaust a crime, and educated their citizens. Yes, they have outliers, but they are largely controlled. 

 

Education was key, they acknowledge what was done. They didn't hide it. And they made Nazi history shameful.

 

We should have done the same after the Civil War, but business interests took priority, leading to the Great Depression, just as the Republicans are doing now. No more Great Recession, it will be the Second Great Depression.

Agreed. We need to AGGRESSIVELY address the issue like Germany did.

 

But the redneck hicks can't accept the fact that their traitorous ancestors are losers.

[twa]

6 minutes ago, No Excuses said:

 

twa

 

Our resident scientist, lawyer and historian.

 

God bless.

 

don't hate polymaths, we are useful at times....as are specialists

add

did I not mention my athletic and sexual prowess...and humble nature?

Edited December 6, 2017 by twa

[AsburySkinsFan]

8 minutes ago, Warhead36 said:

Agreed. We need to AGGRESSIVELY address the issue like Germany did.

 

But the redneck hicks can't accept the fact that their traitorous ancestors are losers.

They’ve already undermined education, experts, and government. 

 

I think the greatest irony in all of this is that it was the conservatives who years ago and still claim to absolute truth all while practicing individual relativism.

[Bang]

Aside from Denazification efforts to cleanse the government and society of all ties to the Nazis, many of the Nazis that were not hanged were forced to labor in reconstruction of their own country, which they led to the destruction.

Standing side by side among the innocent German people, forced to repair it..  folks were made to find common ground, or the mobs took care of it.

People forget that the Nazis conducted a long campaign of domestic terror after the war. Insurgents known as "Werewolves" terrorized Germans who cooperated with the Allies. That helped in separating those who wanted to atone and rejoin their country and those who did not.

 

~Bang

Edited December 6, 2017 by Bang

[NoCalMike]

Healing between the masses would have to start with leadership.  Right now they are playing into it as much as anyone.  The GOP (most of them) know what kind of person Trump is, and how unfit he is to be in his position, but they have deemed that less important then getting legislation passed.  They have unified with him and his kind (at least publicly) over doing the right thing.  That right there in itself is a huge barrier for the healing that will need to take place post-Trump.

 

This country's leadership first and foremost, on both sides, need to make it clear that Trump is not an acceptable breed of of individual to be POTUS.  It was one thing for him to win the election, but everything that has happened since should have solidified his loss in support from both sides of the aisle.  

 

If this doesn't happen, then post-Trump will likely mean more of the same, or perhaps someone just as scummy from the Left getting into office.

 

If Trump is not removed from office at some point, then he becomes the new standard. He becomes the standard quo.   America is now Trumperica. It is up to our leaders and then the citizenry to change that.