Moose & Squirrel v Boris & Natasha: what's the deal with the rooskies and trumpland?

[twa]

Just now, mistertim said:

 

Yeah makes sense. If you give them some guarantee that they can't be prosecuted for the other stuff after a plea deal then they could plead guilty to the one charge, then refuse to provide what they proffered and there wouldn't be much the prosecution could do about it. 

 

So why not charge for all you have?

 

Or did they 

[mistertim]

15 minutes ago, twa said:

 

So why not charge for all you have?

 

Or did they 

 

Um, because its a plea deal, that's how those work as far as I understand it. The more you can provide on someone higher up the food chain the better a deal you'll get. Also, Seth Abramson brought up another point in his twitter thread. After reading the court documents, he said (paraphrasing) that Mueller was likely charging him with the most innocuous lies so he could shield from Trump or others who he may be homing in on exactly how much or what Flynn may have divulged. So it may very well mean that what Flynn proffered was seriously damning stuff.

 

Or you could just believe that, with all of the crazy **** that it increasingly seems there is to pin Flynn to the wall with, all that a large group of some of the best prosecutors and legal minds in the country could really get him on were the most banal lies he told. 

[Sacks 'n' Stuff]

54 minutes ago, twa said:

So why not charge for all you have?

 

Or did they 

 

Edited December 2, 2017 by Sacks 'n' Stuff

[DogofWar1]

1 hour ago, PleaseBlitz said:

 

I havent read it, but this is typical of a cooperating witness. 

Yup, SOP over here in crim law land.

 

Even when we get a prosecutor to drop MJ charges, it's via a nolle prosequi, which means "not prosecuted."  Says the prosecutors are choosing not to prosecute.  However, as a quirk of NPs, the charges can be brought back within 1 year of the date of the NP.

 

So technically tons of cases that are totally resolved have no legal protection from being prosecuted again.  But practically speaking, as long as you don't, like, go to a prosecutor's house and be like "Hey remember when I got that weed charge dismissed?  Well watch this!" *snorts 4 foot line of coke then spits on prosecutor*, you're fine, mainly because the charges are dismissed pursuant to an agreement.

 

WHICH TWA KNOWS BUT HE IS BEING PURPOSEFULLY OBTUSE ABOUT

[Sacks 'n' Stuff]

21 minutes ago, DogofWar1 said:

WHICH TWA KNOWS BUT HE IS BEING PURPOSEFULLY OBTUSE ABOUT

 

I will only be communicating through youtube, animated GIFs, and memes until I sober up.

 

Edited December 2, 2017 by Sacks 'n' Stuff

[twa]

1 hour ago, mistertim said:

 

Or you could just believe that, with all of the crazy **** that it increasingly seems there is to pin Flynn to the wall with, all that a large group of some of the best prosecutors and legal minds in the country could really get him on were the most banal lies he told. 

 

Well honestly I haven't been impressed,

 

of course they are getting paid as long as it takes.

[DogofWar1]

2 minutes ago, twa said:

 

Well honestly I haven't been impressed,

 

of course they are getting paid as long as it takes.

Paid GOVERNMENT salaries.

 

You do realize that literally each and every one of those people could pull high six figures, if not seven figures, ANYWHERE.  They're some of the highest power attorneys in the world.  They are literally losing thousands of dollars a week by staying on the investigation instead of going to/back to the private realm.

 

This is like when people accuse climate scientists of making up man-made climate change for grant money, which is a pittance, when they could switch sides and shill for Exxon and make MASSIVE BANK.

[visionary]

 

[visionary]

 

 

 

 

Edited December 2, 2017 by visionary

[PleaseBlitz]

8 hours ago, DogofWar1 said:

Paid GOVERNMENT salaries.

 

You do realize that literally each and every one of those people could pull high six figures, if not seven figures, ANYWHERE.  They're some of the highest power attorneys in the world.  They are literally losing thousands of dollars a week by staying on the investigation instead of going to/back to the private realm.

 

This is like when people accuse climate scientists of making up man-made climate change for grant money, which is a pittance, when they could switch sides and shill for Exxon and make MASSIVE BANK.

 

Almost all of these people left jobs as partners at K street law firms where they made at least 10 times as much money as they do working for the DOJ. 

[visionary]

 

[twa]

Just now, PleaseBlitz said:

 

Almost all of these people left jobs as partners at K street law firms where they made at least 10 times as much money as they do working for the DOJ. 

 

and I hear these things can take years and years. 

 

no wonder they are trying to flip people. 

[AsburySkinsFan]

10 hours ago, twa said:

 

So why not charge for all you have?

 

Or did they 

Because if for some reason the case gets tossed/loses then you have other things to charge him with. i.e. double jeopardy

12 minutes ago, visionary said:

 

“What has been shown” Mueller ain’t stupid.

[DogofWar1]

8 minutes ago, twa said:

 

and I hear these things can take years and years. 

 

no wonder they are trying to flip people. 

Okay seriously, this trolling has to stop.

 

You went from "they're dragging this out for the money" to "they're flipping people to rush it and finish it to get back to their high paying jobs" in literally a single post.

 

 

[twa]

you interpreted it as that Dog , ya can ask Jumbo why. 

 

and the need to throw in the fossil fuel stuff.

 

 

 

[PleaseBlitz]

[twa]

there is a third option. 

[StillUnknown]

40 minutes ago, visionary said:

 

 

he legitmately thinks if he repeats "no collusion" it means there really was no collusion.  he's trying to speak it into existence

[LadySkinsFan]

Flynn has already flipped, Mueller already knows what Flynn knows from his proffer.

 

Trump, who has such a big brain, doesn't know **** about the legal processes.

[twa]

Well I hope Mueller shares what he knows soon, forcing those folk to work for slave wages is unseemly.

[Mr. Sinister]

The comedown is gonna be a **** (I sincerely hope). It's a lot harder to figuratively take your son in law out back and put a slug in him, or throw him to the wolves. Add the obviously anti Jew crowd at his back, and this looks like it could get nastily beautiful.

[tshile]

10 hours ago, DogofWar1 said:

 

So technically tons of cases that are totally resolved have no legal protection from being prosecuted again.  But practically speaking, as long as you don't, like, go to a prosecutor's house and be like "Hey remember when I got that weed charge dismissed?  Well watch this!" *snorts 4 foot line of coke then spits on prosecutor*, you're fine, mainly because the charges are dismissed pursuant to an agreement.

And my understanding is that there is incredible weight on prosecutors to not abuse the fact that they could still bring changes down the road.

 

Just like there's incredible weight on judges to honor agreements between parties, if if they don't seem quite right.

 

Otherwise that process collapses on itself as defense lawyers and prosecutors begin to think they cannot trust anyone. There's real value in respecting the trust of the system.

 

Twa's shtick is often entertaining, but in this case it's dull and boring.

[mistertim]

44 minutes ago, StillUnknown said:

 

he legitmately thinks if he repeats "no collusion" it means there really was no collusion.  he's trying to speak it into existence

 

I think that is going to be their sticking point no matter what. Even if Mueller comes out with 30 indictments including various charges on everyone from Trump on down, they'll try to find a way to say that none of it matters because there is no specific indictment that says "Colluding with Russia" (since there is no such crime as "collusion" anyway). They truly are just idiots.

[LadySkinsFan]

Isn't collusion in the Constitution?

[twa]

Just now, tshile said:

 

 

Twa's shtick is often entertaining, but in this case it's dull and boring.

 

Kinda like Mueller's progress